Status Meetings:2008-01-02:Log

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[11:56am] cl: whee
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[12:00pm] ardissone|away: we expecting a pink today?
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[12:01pm] Wevah: doh; i forgot the hyphen
[12:05pm] ardissone|away: ok, so not expecting pink?
[12:05pm] smorgan: nope
[12:06pm] ardissone|away: k
[12:06pm] ardissone|away: everyone go open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-01-02:Agenda in your Camino
[12:06pm] ardissone|away: also, everyone give a warm welcome to alimony (Markus)
[12:06pm] alimony: hey folks
[12:07pm] mento: hey, markus!
[12:07pm] alimony: thought i'd drop in and say hi
[12:07pm] cl: good to have you 
[12:07pm] alimony: good to be here!
[12:07pm] cl: and thanks for all the recent patches 
[12:08pm] alimony: sorry for throwing widget stuff at you 
[12:08pm] ardissone|away: please do bear with us, as the review queue is slower-than-usual right now
[12:08pm] cl: no worries
[12:08pm] Wevah: waves
[12:08pm] cl: I probably would have done the same thing had I been in your position, especially if the reporter were one of our devs
[12:08pm] alimony: i'll work on something else while waiting for reviews
[12:08pm] cl: excellent plan.
[12:09pm] ardissone|away: pokes ss
[12:09pm] ardissone|away: ss: are you awake?
[12:09pm] cl: mento: as you probably noticed, I kicked that widget PgUp/PgDn bug to Core and cc'd you in case you have anything to say about it.
[12:09pm] ardissone|away: sam said he'd go to be early to make the meeting 
[12:09pm] cl: alimony: for future reference, Josh is probably a good one to talk to about widget stuff in general
[12:10pm] cl: although I wouldn't necessarily always target him for review, since he's pretty busy most of the time.
[12:10pm] alimony: yep, noted, thanks for the help
[12:10pm] cl: some of the other regulars in #macdev are also widget guys
[12:10pm] alimony: i think i'll target hwaara as often as possible
[12:10pm] cl: probably not a bad idea 
[12:10pm] alimony: har har
[12:10pm] ardissone|away: hehe
[12:10pm] ardissone|away: ok, are we ready?
[12:11pm] ardissone|away: 1.6a1
[12:11pm] alimony: (i won't have much to say here, but i will listen and comment if i wonder about something)
[12:11pm] ardissone|away: feel free 
[12:11pm] ardissone|away: the good news is, Talkback is low
[12:11pm] ardissone|away: the bad news is, Talkback is low
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[12:12pm] cl: heh
[12:12pm] ardissone|away: particularly on the crash Tobias reported, which is all over the place on 1.5.4
[12:12pm] smorgan: If everyone switches to Intel, we can be crash-free!
[12:12pm] ardissone|away: heh
[12:12pm] Wevah: sounds like a plan
[12:12pm] ardissone|away: that's true
[12:12pm] smorgan: Are we doing a 1.5.5?
[12:13pm] ardissone|away: presumably
[12:13pm] ardissone|away: presumably it will be ready before 1.6
[12:13pm] ardissone|away: it=Gecko 1.8.1.12
[12:13pm] ardissone|away: since it's scheduled for 5 Feb
[12:14pm] ardissone|away: 1.5.5 should be our last 1.5.x
[12:14pm] ardissone|away: knocks on wood
[12:14pm] ardissone|away: which brings me back to 1.6b1
[12:15pm] ardissone|away: ss proposed over the break that we do a 1.6b1 "soon" and push the real feature/l10n freeze to a 1.6b2
[12:15pm] ardissone|away: so that we get more testing in, specifically another chance for swupdate
[12:16pm] ardissone|away: he's not here to speak for it and i don't recall all the details of the proposal
[12:16pm] ardissone|away: which makes it a bit hard to discuss 
[12:17pm] ardissone|away: smorgan, mento: any initial thoughts?
[12:17pm] smorgan: I'm fine either way
[12:17pm] mento: wfm
[12:17pm] ardissone|away: k
[12:18pm] ardissone|away: i thought it was reasonable
[12:18pm] mento: i'm also fine without a 1.5.5
[12:18pm] mento: but i'm fine with it too
[12:18pm] mento: we should do a 1.5.5 if we make 1.6 10.3.9-only
[12:18pm] ardissone|away: mhm
[12:19pm] ardissone|away: that Core bug's still sitting in holiday review morass?
[12:20pm] ardissone|away: so
[12:21pm] ardissone|away: if we do a b1/b2, which of the in-progress features will be ready in a week-or-two for it?
[12:21pm] cl: wonders where jeff is
[12:21pm] ardissone|away: dentist
[12:21pm] cl: ah
[12:21pm] ardissone|away: he said he'd make hwaara's changes
[12:21pm] ardissone|away: and planned a new patch by Fri
[12:21pm] smorgan: Depending on batwood's time, multiple accounts will be
[12:22pm] smorgan: it's really close, and I'm at the point where I can review new versions quickly
[12:22pm] ardissone|away:
[12:22pm] ardissone|away: how's your time look wrt the search patches?
[12:23pm] smorgan: I'm hoping to plow through all my reviews this week, since I didn't get to it before break as I'd hoped
[12:23pm] ardissone|away:
[12:23pm] smorgan: I'd like to not have them hanging over me as a begin the new year 
[12:24pm] smorgan: So maybe those as well, depending on how reviews look
[12:24pm] ardissone|away:
[12:24pm] ardissone|away: sam's contacted some designers, at least about making our toolbar icons a little more 10.5-friendly
[12:25pm] ardissone|away: mostly along the lines of doing these things: http://www.thinkmac.co.uk/blog/2007/12/designing-toolbar-icons-for-leopard.html
[12:25pm] ardissone|away: and getting them in larger sizes
[12:25pm] ardissone|away: but not completely new icons, etc, like in a firefox refresh 
[12:26pm] cl: heh
[12:26pm] ardissone|away: peeja's back from class and will be taking on his bugs
[12:26pm] ardissone|away: as soon as he gets a tree working 
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[12:28pm] ardissone: b2 will be our feature and l10n freeze now, so any string/nib changes need to be in by then
[12:28pm] ardissone: we're starting to dig into that stuff now
[12:28pm] ardissone: the other thing we really, really want for b2 is breakpad
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[12:29pm] ardissone: so that even if we all move to Intel, we won't be crash-free 
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[12:29pm] ardissone: which partially depends on cloning smorgan
[12:30pm] smorgan: Still right near the top of my list
[12:30pm] ardissone: although if all else fails, the Core one is much less sucky now and could perhaps be easily converted back to real Cocoa l10n
[12:31pm] smorgan: It seems a bit overwhelming, but I guess we can refine UI once we have something working
[12:31pm] ardissone: the new version, or the old one?
[12:32pm] smorgan: The new, if it's what I saw screenshots of
[12:32pm] ardissone: new as in, thing i gave ted 20+ comments on this weekend
[12:32pm] smorgan: 4 checkboxes, two text fields, and a of text?
[12:32pm] smorgan: er, a lot of
[12:32pm] ardissone: yeah
[12:32pm] smorgan: I guess I should cc myself on that bug
[12:33pm] ardissone: anyone else have anything on 1.6 features?
[12:34pm] cl: mento: should I try to do the de-Geckoizing of History for 1.6?
[12:34pm] cl: since that's strings code and will affect l10n (although not in the sense that we'll need new strings)
[12:34pm] mento: cl: it's pretty easy
[12:34pm] mento: and i think that's another one where i pretty much said what to do in a comment
[12:35pm] mento: so if you can get to it
[12:35pm] cl: Yeah, I'm going to try to knock that out ASAP
[12:35pm] mento: doesn't really have any user impact though
[12:35pm] cl: right
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[12:37pm] ardissone: ok, tinderboxen
[12:37pm] ardissone: i think there's no news here
[12:37pm] mento: wrong
[12:37pm] mento: news as of 10 minutes ago
[12:37pm] ardissone: oh, good 
[12:37pm] mento: swapped vine server out for ard on mini-binus01 (which i'd like to call "minus"), works
[12:37pm] mento: it's now accessible
[12:38pm] ardissone:
[12:38pm] ardissone: mini-binus (minus for short) is our 10.3 box for the 1_5 branch
[12:39pm] ardissone: mini-mayaTrunk is supposed to be going in the colo "after christmas" last i heard
[12:40pm] ardissone: also, fwiw
[12:40pm] ardissone: a quick hack: http://www.ardisson.org/smokey/moz/perf.html
[12:40pm] ardissone: based on jonath's thingy
[12:40pm] ardissone: ok, on to bugs!
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[12:41pm] ardissone: Bug 408593
[12:41pm] thebot: ardissone: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408593 nor, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, UNCO, Only check for the default browser once
[12:43pm] ardissone: this seems to me a relic of Windows
[12:44pm] ardissone: and I see no utility in leaving the pref in General but turning it off  someone's going to choose to enable being nagged at startup?
[12:44pm] cl: hey, you never know...
[12:44pm] smorgan: I'm happy to rip it out
[12:44pm] cl: maybe Vicki Brown likes being nagged.
[12:45pm] cl: She'll never use Camino 1.6 again!
[12:46pm] cl: and yes, I pretty much agree with you guys. I don't see much point in keeping that pref
[12:46pm] cl: if we're going to turn it off
[12:46pm] cl: mento-question, though: why do we cap "Web Browser" and "Feed Viewer" like they're proper names there?
[12:47pm] smorgan: Unless Safari starts stealing, I don't think the slamming protection will buy us much
[12:47pm] ardissone: they're fragments
[12:47pm] ardissone: not sentences
[12:47pm] ardissone: we have a whole guide on this 
[12:47pm] cl: we don't have periods after the sentences 
[12:47pm] thebot: Firefox: 'WINNT 5.2 qm-win2k3-01 dep unit test' has changed state from Success to Burning.
[12:48pm] ardissone: mento: do you still object?
[12:48pm] cl: hurry up and object if you do, 'cause my battery is running low 
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[12:49pm] ardissone: and markus's pings are running long
[12:49pm] ardissone: moving on to Bug 394651, and mento can object later if he re-appears
[12:49pm] thebot: MozillaTest: 'Linux Sisyphus js' has changed state from Burning to Test Failed.
[12:49pm] cl: that one's ready for chicken
[12:49pm] cl: but not on branch, cause the patch never made it to branch AFAICT
[12:49pm] ardissone: er
[12:49pm] ardissone: thebot: bug  Bug 394651
[12:50pm] thebot: New build added to MozillaTest: WinXP qm-leak-winxp01 dep Leak+Unit test (status: Burning).
[12:50pm] thebot: ardissone: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394651 nor, --, ---, alqahira@ardisson.org, ASSI, Set "Accept cookies only from sites I visit" as default
[12:50pm] ardissone: that's the question
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[12:50pm] ardissone: is there any chance of that nspr fix making it on the branch, or should we make the bug trunk-only?
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[12:53pm] ardissone: ok, how about Bug 410193 ?
[12:53pm] thebot: ardissone: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=410193 nor, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, cvs remove FindDialog.nib
[12:53pm] ardissone: is there any reason to keep that still?
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[12:54pm] smorgan: can't think of one
[12:54pm] ardissone: ok
[12:54pm] ardissone: Bug 154580
[12:54pm] thebot: ardissone: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154580 enh, --, ---, torben@Spamfence.net, NEW, Save URL of downloaded documents in comment (Mac filesystem metadata)
[12:55pm] cl: ok, I'm about out of juice
[12:55pm] ardissone: basically, we can do this easily on 10.4 and up now
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[12:55pm] cl: I think I've contributed all I can to the meeting anyway, so...yeah.
[12:55pm] ardissone: advantages are it's editable/copyable vs WhereFrom, which is not (and is hidden)
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[12:56pm] ardissone: i'd obviously like to see it
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[12:57pm] smorgan: Is there any reason not to?
[12:58pm] ardissone: "redundancy"
[12:58pm] ardissone: i'm not really aware of one
[12:59pm] smorgan: Then let's do it unless it turns out to be messy
[12:59pm] ardissone: k
[12:59pm] thebot: Build 'Mac (PPC) Sisyphus branch js' has dropped from the 'MozillaTest' tinderbox.
[12:59pm] ardissone: anything else?
[1:00pm] Wevah: the only issue i ran into (doing it for paparazzi) is i had to wait a split second before writing the comment or i'd sometimes lock up the finder
[1:00pm] Wevah: via the appleevents way
[1:00pm] Wevah: thatis
[1:00pm] smorgan: We wouldn't be using AE
[1:00pm] ardissone: i think mento means we're doing this via the LS way
[1:00pm] ardissone: LS/mds
[1:01pm] ardissone: yeah
[1:01pm] Wevah: does that work on 10.3.x, or is this just for 10.4 only?
[1:01pm] ardissone: 10.4 only
[1:02pm] ardissone:
[1:02pm] Wevah: i should probably re-read the bug too; i'm @ work and working
[1:03pm] ardissone: ok
[1:03pm] ardissone: last call on this week
[1:04pm] thebot: Just appeared in Planet Mozilla - http://planet.mozilla.org/ : 
[1:04pm] You kicked thebot from the chat room. (you talk too much)
[1:04pm] ardissone: all-rightee
[1:05pm] ardissone: happy new year everyone, and have a good week
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