Status Meetings:2008-12-03:Log

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[12:08pm] ardissone|forgaging: let me reboot the internet and then we'll go
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[12:11pm] ardissone: ok
[12:12pm] ardissone: everyone please open your 2.0a1 or newer to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-12-03:Agenda
[12:13pm] ardissone: literally nothing new to say on a1 or 1.6.5, other than they were in the field for another week
[12:14pm] ardissone: talkback maybe died?
[12:15pm] ardissone: i don't think we can ship 2.0 with Talkback
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[12:15pm] smorgan: mento will fix it!
[12:15pm] ardissone: it's not maintained, the products from MoCo that do still use it are EOL
[12:16pm] ardissone: and it's been broken for months
[12:16pm] smorgan: mento: ballpark: how much work is hooking up breakpad, ignoring the reporter app?
[12:16pm] ardissone: proposes locking smorgan and mento in a room this weekend 
[12:16pm] mento: without reporter, real easy
[12:16pm] mento: build a lib and make a call at init
[12:16pm] smorgan: Oh
[12:17pm] smorgan: Well then, I'll get cracking on the reporter app
[12:17pm] smorgan: I think that trumps cert exceptions
[12:17pm] ardissone: haha
[12:17pm] ardissone: yeah
[12:17pm] ardissone: i assume we're going to use the moco server?
[12:18pm] smorgan: I don't feel like writing one 
[12:18pm] ardissone: the instance, not just the program...
[12:18pm] ardissone: so we want to send it compatible data
[12:18pm] ardissone: ?
[12:19pm] ss: We have to send it symbols too
[12:19pm] ardissone: that doesn't pertain to the reporter app
[12:20pm] ardissone: but yeah
[12:20pm] ss: I was commenting on your using the moco server comment
[12:20pm] ardissone: mhm
[12:21pm] ardissone: anyway
[12:21pm] ardissone: 1.6.4 got a decent review in computerworld; see pink's blog if you missed it in the channel
[12:22pm] pinkerton: yay team!
[12:23pm] ardissone: so far we have no bugs except the landed Flashblcok upgrade for 1.6.6, which will be based on the EOL 1.8.1 release
[12:24pm] ardissone: which means that we need to get a beta of 2.0 out that we feel we can call a pseudo-stable release soon after that EOL
[12:25pm] smorgan: Out of curiosity, what's the projected lifespan of 1.9.0?
[12:26pm] ardissone: 6 months after 1.9.1, i presume
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[12:26pm] smorgan: Okay, I didn't know if a 0.0.y bump had the same type of schedule as 0.x
[12:26pm] ardissone: so next summer
[12:26pm] ardissone: i haven't heard differently
[12:27pm] ardissone: they're starting to work on 1.9.2 now on the "trunk"
[12:27pm] smorgan: 1.9.2?
[12:27pm] ss: 1.9.1next
[12:27pm] ss: Or something
[12:27pm] smorgan: What happened to 2.0?
[12:27pm] ss: Currently called 1.9.2
[12:28pm] ss: It's undecided if it'll stay that way or move to 2.0
[12:28pm] ardissone: i was gonna say "not ready yet"
[12:28pm] ardissone: at any rate
[12:29pm] ardissone: i think we're minusing the security exceptions for b1, since the Core code we need is not implemented(!)
[12:29pm] ardissone: that was an awesome discovery for smorgan, i'm sure
[12:30pm] ardissone: tabsposé
[12:30pm] ardissone: are there any open bugs on it we need to fix for b1?
[12:30pm] ardissone: there are 11 bugs on it
[12:30pm] smorgan: We should fix the XML badness
[12:31pm] smorgan: Which I still haven't looked at, sorry
[12:31pm] ardissone: k
[12:31pm] jeff: so I also started on making it look better, maybe for a b2
[12:31pm] jeff: see http://drop.jeffd.org/fadingWIP.mov
[12:32pm] murph: jeff: nice, I think that looks cool
[12:32pm] jeff: I also started working paging the previews for when you have all the bugs in bugzilla open like some people in this channel do
[12:33pm] ardissone: on the "what we need for 2.0 final" I think we ought to fix the focus bug and the keyboard bug, if possible
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[12:33pm] ardissone: i also think we should WONTFIX bug 467508
[12:33pm] thebot: ardissone: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467508 min, --, Camino2.0, nobody@mozilla.org, UNCO, Disable Tabsposé if frontmost window does not contain multiple tabs
[12:34pm] jeff: agreed
[12:34pm] thebot: New build added to MozillaTest: MacOSX Darwin 8.11.0 phlox Depend venkman (status: Success).
[12:35pm] smorgan: make it so
[12:35pm] jeff: expose allows you to enter it with one window FWIW
[12:35pm] ardissone: heh, indeed
[12:36pm] ardissone: ok, dragging
[12:36pm] ardissone: murph: you're up 
[12:36pm] murph: well I was able to solve the backgroudn dragging issue, as I mentioned in the channel earlier in the week
[12:36pm] thebot: New build added to MozillaTest: MacOSX Darwin 8.11.0 phlox Depend chatzilla (status: Burning).
[12:37pm] murph: as soon as I get some time (real soon) I will submit that patch
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[12:37pm] pinkerton: i agree with that wontfix
[12:37pm] murph: next up right after that shall be the tab scrolling...hopefully start working on that by the end of the week and into next
[12:38pm] murph: and if I get those things moving, I'm going to take a look at the "tab palette" bug with some ideas I have for implementing that
[12:39pm] ardissone: we need to discuss which of those two dragging, if any, block b1
[12:39pm] ardissone: brb
[12:40pm] murph: I think background dragging should, since many people might not even notice dragging if its not there
[12:40pm] murph: and my patch is only a few lines and can be submitted in a day or two
[12:40pm] ardissone: yeah, it'll be the #1 complaint
[12:40pm] smorgan: Sounds good to me
[12:41pm] ardissone: scrolling we can evaluate when we have the other blockers?
[12:41pm] murph: yeah that sounds good, especially when I give the implementation more thought
[12:42pm] ardissone: ok
[12:43pm] ardissone: on to hendy, then?
[12:43pm] hendy: there are a few odd and ends i need to fix with some of my present bugs
[12:44pm] ardissone: jeff really disliked losing those 2px, fwiw
[12:44pm] hendy: really, i hadn't noticed
[12:44pm] jeff: jeff angry
[12:45pm] jeff: grasps his 2px
[12:45pm] ardissone: specifically, i think he felt the bm bar looked too small then
[12:45pm] ardissone: (or that was his rational excuse)
[12:45pm] jeff: no no no, the tab bar looked too big 
[12:45pm] hendy: with the extra 2px, the tabs are now as tall as the bm bar
[12:45pm] ardissone: haha
[12:45pm] ardissone: optical illusion for you!
[12:45pm] hendy: it's the 4px divider b/w the tabs and the content that make it look bigger
[12:46pm] jeff: breaks out pixie
[12:47pm] ardissone: i think we could probably give the bmbar 1 more px if there's an outcry, but it doesn't bother me
[12:47pm] ardissone: (then there's a whole new outcry over losing *3*px  )
[12:48pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=350270 is jeff's screenshot, for the curious
[12:49pm] ardissone: philippe's working on some ideas for better zoom icons in bug 450542
[12:49pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450542
[12:49pm] hendy: (that screenshot looks fine to me)
[12:49pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=351126 is his latest set
[12:50pm] hendy: that left hand set looks great
[12:50pm] ardissone: fwiw, i think the document is the wrong base metaphor
[12:50pm] hendy: yeah, the dog ear doesn't need to be there
[12:51pm] ardissone: i do like the magnifying glass, though
[12:51pm] ilya: brb
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[12:52pm] ardissone: hrm
[12:53pm] ardissone: he also didn't capture my idea very well, so i'll have to post something
[12:54pm] ardissone: the old preview zoom icon is a much better base, imo
[12:55pm] ardissone: (it's rectangular)
[12:56pm] ardissone: so we should make some comments there; it doesn't seem we have much of a consenus here
[12:57pm] ardissone: breakpad - stuart's going to refocus on the reporter app
[12:57pm] hendy: which milestone will be feature-freeze?
[12:57pm] ardissone: that's probably a b2 feature
[12:57pm] ardissone: b2
[12:58pm] hendy: hmmm
[12:58pm] ardissone: and probably l10n freeze then, too
[12:58pm] ardissone: maybe a bit before or after, depending on the extent of the bugfixes/polish we have left
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[12:59pm] ardissone: flashblock whitelist - batwood's posted a new patch/nib, so it's in the queues
[1:00pm] ardissone: hopes that will finally make 1.6 
[1:00pm] ardissone: er
[1:00pm] ardissone: blegh
[1:00pm] ardissone: 2.0
[1:00pm] ardissone: growl and friends
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[1:02pm] ardissone: ilya's just waiting on reviews, i think?
[1:02pm] ilya: yep
[1:02pm] jeff: I'm gonna get that done tonight
[1:02pm] ilya: awesome 
[1:03pm] jeff: some proofs snuck up on me last night
[1:03pm] ilya: they do that, yeah
[1:03pm] ilya: papers, too
[1:04pm] ardissone: spanish inquisition
[1:04pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.0/2.0b1?
[1:05pm] ardissone: ideally we get b1 out this month
[1:06pm] ardissone: it'd be great if we could build next week and release the week after
[1:06pm] ardissone: (although in theory that week is the week 1.8.1 releases, too)
[1:06pm] ardissone: because the last two wednesdays of the month are christmas eve and new year's eve
[1:07pm] ardissone: so i think the likelihood of us having useful meetings (or useful anything) those weeks is very near nil
[1:07pm] ardissone: ;0
[1:08pm] ardissone: also, someone needs to figure out how to clone sam
[1:08pm] ardissone: because boxset has stopped reporting to the tinderbox again :/
[1:09pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else?
[1:12pm] ardissone: ok :)
[1:13pm] ardissone: everyone have a good week and keep your eye on those b1 tasks (bugs/patches/reviews) :)
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