Status Meetings:2009-07-29:Log

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[12:11pm] ardissone|foraging: let's give smorgan a couple more
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[12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: ok
[12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: everyone open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-07-29:Agenda in your 2.0b3 or newer
[12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: b3 is 2 months old tomorrow
[12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: there've been some changes in crashes over the last week
[12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: Flash is no longer #1 
[12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: -[NSApplication sendEvent:] basically doubled in the last week
[12:17pm] pinkerton: well that sux
[12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: big jump in the nsObjCExceptionLogAbort | nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent crashes, too
[12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: i don't know what we can do about -[NSApplication sendEvent:]
[12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: i guess i need to blog and see if we can find any live people
[12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: we also got our first crash with CamiNoScript in the stack  http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/52aa4c63-e7ac-418f-97b1-1dcec2090718
[12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: that may just be our friend  -[NSApplication sendEvent:] though; dunno
[12:20pm] smorgan: No
[12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: ok
[12:21pm] smorgan: It's a bad argument to an NSString call, it looks like
[12:21pm] smorgan: So, a bug in CNS
[12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: ok
[12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: objc_msgSend | -[KeychainBrowserListener onLoadingCompleted:] is back again this week
[12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: we saw it earlier in the month
[12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b3&platform=mac&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query=&date=&range_value=1&range_unit=weeks&do_query=1&signature=objc_msgSend%20%7C%20-%5BKeychainBrowserListener%20onLoadingCompleted%3A%5D
[12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: heh, pasting the crash report urls would have taken less space 
[12:24pm] ardissone|foraging: i thought maybe this was the crash Mehmet was having at shutdown, but I couldn't find the bug last night 
[12:25pm] ardissone|foraging: anyone have anything else on b3?
[12:26pm] ardissone|foraging: ok
[12:26pm] ardissone|foraging: absolutely nothing new on 1.6.8
[12:26pm] ardissone|foraging: we finally got a url for the nsObjectFrame::NotifyContentObjectWrapper topcrash
[12:27pm] ardissone|foraging: and the page was entirely blank 
[12:27pm] ardissone|foraging: anything on 1.6.x?
[12:28pm] ardissone|foraging: ok
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[12:29pm] ardissone|foraging: OK
[12:30pm] ardissone|foraging: Let's shoot for two weeks for the 2.0b4 freeze?
[12:30pm] ardissone|foraging: obviously we're not going to make "late july"
[12:31pm] ardissone|foraging: Summer of Code!
[12:31pm] ardissone|foraging: dan or dan_: what's new? 
[12:32pm] dan_: well, I've been stuck on trying to speed up autocomplete. If you haven't heard, it's slow: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506345
[12:32pm] dan_: I have a new blog post about it: http://summerofcamino.com/
[12:32pm] ardissone|foraging: (more typing in the location bar than the autocomplete itself)
[12:32pm] dan_: It ends up regex is slow  
[12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: yay 
[12:33pm] dan_: Well, I have fixed the typing in the location bar bug
[12:33pm] ardissone|foraging: oh, good 
[12:33pm] dan_: there is no working patch up, but that's just part of a larger problem
[12:34pm] dan_: title searching is also slow  
[12:35pm] dan_: maybe there should just be two different autocomplete algorithms: a nice modern one that uses regex to match urls/titles, and then some old brute-force code for collections of 10k+
[12:35pm] dan_: just an idea  
[12:35pm] ardissone|foraging:
[12:37pm] ardissone|foraging: (slow day here in Caminoville)
[12:37pm] dan_: anyway, the other thing I've accomplished is a smarter way to shorten URLs. There's also a post about it on my blog, but I've also yet to get a patch up.
[12:37pm] dan_: although there's not much point in continuing to do any work on autocomplete if it's too slow to use
[12:37pm] ardissone|foraging: you should file the bug at least 
[12:38pm] smorgan: dan_: For those of us with reasonable data sets it's great 
[12:38pm] dan_: yes, I will do that. It's a nice small patch, which makes me happy.
[12:39pm] ardissone|foraging: does not think his data set is unreasonable 
[12:39pm] dan_: I mean if you look at itunes...
[12:40pm] dan_: the search is not instant by any means if you have tens of thousands of songs
[12:40pm] dan_: although that is comparing lots of fields
[12:40pm] ardissone|foraging: (it's hard for me to judge how "slow" it is when all the slowness is in me entering data to search for)
[12:41pm] dan_: well, I'll get that patch up today
[12:41pm] ardissone|foraging: (my feeling has been it was not bad once i got my search term entered)
[12:41pm] dan_: but it's still not pretty
[12:42pm] ardissone|foraging: ok
[12:42pm] pinkerton: i've got something to bring up when you get to a stopping point
[12:42pm] dan_: I'm done
[12:42pm] ardissone|foraging: pinkerton: have the floor, then 
[12:42pm] pinkerton: i tried launching beta3pre (i think) on my snow leopard install and it wouldn't launch
[12:43pm] pinkerton: complained that it couldn't find the profile and then quit
[12:43pm] pinkerton: known?
[12:43pm] smorgan: I haven't tried in a long time; I'll give it a shot today
[12:43pm] ardissone|foraging: we're getting JEP crashes with 10.6
[12:43pm] ardissone|foraging: so someone's running b3 on some 10.6 
[12:44pm] pinkerton: smorgan: this wasn't the latest latest seed, but the one before it
[12:44pm] smorgan: pinkerton: conveniently I haven't updated, so I can try both
[12:44pm] pinkerton:
[12:44pm] ardissone|foraging: hehe
[12:44pm] pinkerton: ok that's all
[12:44pm] pinkerton: oh i never heard back from gerv about his state of mozilla updates
[12:44pm] ardissone|foraging: ok, good thing to know/check on 
[12:44pm] pinkerton: i emailed him but never got a reply
[12:44pm] ardissone|foraging: heh
[12:45pm] ardissone|foraging: ok
[12:45pm] ardissone|foraging: 2.0 stuff
[12:45pm] ardissone|foraging: murph: anti-phishing and CJK stuff?
[12:46pm] murph: ardissone|foraging: CJK font preferences bug has landed last week, very glad to say
[12:47pm] ardissone|foraging: "Six cheers (and 3 banzai) for Sean ! His font prefs patch is very nice."
[12:47pm] ardissone|foraging: http://www.ardisson.org/afkar/2009/07/26/camino-2009-week-29-30/#comment-6953 (some love for dan, there, too)
[12:47pm] ardissone|foraging: are you going to take up the removal, too?
[12:47pm] murph: and smorgan just reviewed the "report phishing urls" patch today and I'll have that up for SR asap with the quick changes
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[12:47pm] murph: yeah I would be glad to handle that one
[12:48pm] ardissone: ok, so function-wise, everything for phishing is about in
[12:48pm] murph: yes I believe so, that's exciting 
[12:48pm] ardissone: sam is conveniently away again so i can't prod him about getting us turned on
[12:48pm] ardissone: indeed 
[12:49pm] ardissone: the one thing we don't have a bug on that i was wondering about:
[12:49pm] ardissone: notification when the service is unavailable
[12:50pm] ardissone: firefox doesn't have it; safari does (but it's hidden in prefs)
[12:50pm] ardissone: Safari seems to trigger it all the time, even when i have it open every day for looking at phishing sites there 
[12:50pm] smorgan: "notification" in prefs seems about as useful as nothing
[12:50pm] ardissone: yeah
[12:51pm] ardissone: i don't have a good grasp on what sort of usage patterns our users have
[12:51pm] ardissone: so how often they might have it disabled
[12:51pm] ardissone: (obviously, if we wanted to do it, we'd do it usefully  )
[12:52pm] smorgan: I'm having a hard time imagining how we would make it noticeable but not annoying
[12:52pm] ardissone: Growl would work great for those users 
[12:53pm] ardissone: but other than some sort of fade-in, fade-out thing, i don't know how we'd do it
[12:54pm] smorgan: I'd vote not worrying about it for 2.0
[12:54pm] ardissone: ok
[12:55pm] ardissone: the other big thing left is overhauling the overlay UI
[12:56pm] ardissone: i've started on the strings, but we've not gotten anything on the layout yet
[12:56pm] ardissone: smorgan: any updates on the key blackhole or breakpad?
[12:56pm] smorgan: no 
[12:57pm] ardissone: hendy's on the farm this week, so he's made no progress on utf-8 or zoom bugs, but he hopes to be back with patches next week
[12:57pm] ardissone: still no sign of jeff 
[12:58pm] ardissone: on the 10.5 polish
[12:58pm] ardissone: folders in the Cocoa ui are ready to land
[12:59pm] ardissone: we're still debating what to do with "up" in dirListings
[12:59pm] smorgan: I'm prepping to land now
[12:59pm] ardissone:
[12:59pm] ardissone: i haven't had time to look at philippe's latest tabs yet; hopefully tonight
[1:00pm] ardissone: anything else from anyone on 2.0?
[1:02pm] ardissone: ok then
[1:02pm] ardissone: i made the first client.mk backport last night, so we should have the latest NSS on the 2_0 branch
[1:03pm] ardissone: not sure how we verify, since the bug is security, but the tree didn't go red 
[1:03pm] ardissone: ok, anything else from anyone?
[1:04pm] ardissone: ok then
[1:04pm] ardissone: we made some good progress in the last week, and hopefully we can keep it up :)
[1:04pm] ardissone: big thanks to pinkerton for the friday afternoon srs ;)
[1:05pm] pinkerton: i try
[1:05pm] ardissone: everyone have a good week, and keep working on those 2.0 patches/reviews :)
[1:05pm] ardissone: :)
[1:05pm] pinkerton: i'll be out all next week tho
[1:05pm] pinkerton: and most of the week after
[1:05pm] ardissone: :|
[1:06pm] ardissone: there goes my "ready in two weeks" plan then ;)
[1:06pm] ardissone: ok, let's remember to sr around pink for the next two weeks, too
[1:08pm] ardissone: that's all, folks
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