Status Meetings:2010-04-21:Log

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Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-04-21 15:32:09 -0400

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15:32  » ardissone was promoted to operator by ChanServ.
15:32  » ardissone changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-04-21:Agenda".
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16:00  » smorgan was promoted to operator by ardissone.
16:00 ardissone: smorgan: pink?
16:01 smorgan: don't see him around
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16:01 ardissone: k
16:02 ardissone: brb
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16:06 ardissone: ok
16:06 ardissone: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-04-21:Agenda
16:06 ardissone: 2.0.2 crashes have declined slightly since last week
16:07 ardissone: which is nice, since they shot up last week :/
16:07 ardissone: chatroulette and facebook are tied for the sites where the most people crash :P
16:08 David: Camino probably breaks whenever some hairy guy shows up on chatroulette...
16:08 ardissone:  :P
16:08 ardissone: no, someone complained angrily they were talking to a "European girl" when Camino crashed
16:08 ardissone:  :P
16:08 David: hahahaha
16:09 David: We bastards!
16:09 ardissone: the top individual Flash crashing stack has a signature that has no bug for it
16:09 ardissone: so it's new, or newly high
16:09 ardissone: (current Flash version)
16:10 smorgan: That's not a new crash
16:10 ardissone: just no bug for it, which is odd :P
16:10 smorgan: Yeah, I don't know why that it
16:10 smorgan: I thought it was odd too
16:11 smorgan: But it was there when I swept Flash crashes in Chrome and compared them to Gecko
16:11 ardissone:  :)
16:11 ardissone: I guess I can file one, and then there will be one :P
16:11 ardissone: in happier crash news, i think, quite by accident, i figured out the sparkle-related XML crash
16:12 ardissone: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0.2&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=strlen%20%7c%20-%5bNSXMLTreeReader%20processRealDocument:%5d&do_query=1
16:12 ardissone: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/camino/sparkle/SUAppcast.m#58
16:12 ardissone: Over on launchpad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/sparkle/+bug/456514 added a null-check to downloadFilename in another method: http://github.com/andymatuschak/Sparkle/commit/bd80144c7b67b7a66c215e40174dfb9310843573
16:13 ardissone: if we were to null-check SUAppcast.m#58 before going to nsxml, would that help?
16:13 ardissone: (note the null-check in the other method landed after our last pull)
16:14 ardissone: doesn't know how NSXMLDocument works
16:15 ardissone: doesn't know how anything works! :P
16:15 smorgan: Hard to know what the internals are doing
16:15 smorgan: You mean check downloadFilename?
16:15 ardissone: yeah
16:16 smorgan: Can't hurt
16:16 smorgan: There's no way anything good would happen if it's nil
16:16 ardissone: hehe
16:17 smorgan: I wish the Sparkle code would standardize on spacing
16:17 ardissone: heh
16:18 ardissone: i'll get a bug for that, and i guess poke andy on launchpad, too
16:18 ardissone: (the null-checks, not spacing :P )
16:18 smorgan: Sounds good
16:18 ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.0.2?
16:19 ardissone: ok
16:19 ardissone: 1.6.x is thrilling as usual
16:20 ardissone: Flash now accounts for 43% of all crashes there
16:20 ardissone: sam mentioned stuff about "doing stats" again over the weekend
16:20 ardissone: so maybe soon :P
16:21 ardissone: anyone have anything else on 1.6.x?
16:21 smorgan: When does it stop getting an agenda entry? ;)
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16:21 ardissone: when we get stats to make sure all the 10.4-and-ups are gone? :P
16:21  » Wevah was promoted to operator by ardissone.
16:22 ardissone:  !tie-ss-down-in-front-of-good-internet :P
16:22 smorgan: But why are we still looking at crashes?
16:23 ardissone: just because it takes about 2s :P
16:23 smorgan: Ah, okay
16:23 ardissone: making sure there's nothing unusual that's really ours
16:23 smorgan: So all that's left for 1.6 is deciding if we want to do a fake update?
16:23 ardissone: seeing if Flash cracks 50% of all crashes :P
16:24 ardissone: yeah
16:24 ardissone: speaking of updates…
16:24 ardissone: we've got this 2.0.3 hanging
16:25 ardissone: smorgan rewrote metadata stuff to hopefully prevent any "importer in use" issues
16:25 smorgan: s/prevent/limit/
16:25 ardissone: ah, ok; sorry
16:25 ardissone: hendy: any progress on the Flash exceptions list since the harvest?
16:26 hendy: no :(
16:26 hendy: been busy with other stuff since then
16:26 ardissone: k
16:26 ardissone: any ETA?
16:26 ardissone: or SWAG :P
16:26 hendy: but i've just now opened up Xcode, so we'll see how we'll go
16:26 ardissone:  :D
16:27 ardissone: smorgan brought more bad news last night, though
16:27 ardissone: Death-by-Flash-logging on 10,6 - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541897
16:27 ardissone: smorgan: that's an OS call that's failing?
16:28 smorgan: Yes
16:29 smorgan: It looks like trying to HIConvertPoint to a window coordinate space when the window isn't actually on screen makes the OS sad
16:29 smorgan: In our case, but not Firefox's for reasons I'm not sure of
16:29 ardissone: and presumably it's only failing on 10.6, or we'd see this on 10.5, or it only makes the OS sad on 10.6?
16:30 smorgan: Yes, presumably it works on 10.5
16:30 smorgan: Or at least, doesn't explode
16:30 smorgan: Who knows what coordinates it gives back, but it doesn't really matter since we can't see the Flash
16:30 smorgan: If a mouseover is in the wrong place, and nobody can see it, does anybody care? ;)
16:31 ardissone: other than Mac OS X 10.6 :P
16:31 hendy: getting console spam on hiding w/ 10.5
16:31 hendy: just tried it now
16:31 ardissone: huh
16:31 hendy: Apr 22 08:30:57 Veronica Camino[68486]: Failed to create window context device
16:31 hendy: Apr 22 08:30:57 Veronica Camino[68486]: CGWindowContextCreate: failed to create context delegate.
16:31 hendy: Apr 22 08:30:57 Veronica Camino[68486]: _initWithWindowNumber: error creating graphics ctxt object for ctxt:0xf22f, window:0xffffffff
16:32 ardissone: oh, i suppose I never tested with Flash, only the test plugin
16:33 hendy: looks like a different issue
16:35 ardissone: anyway, nsCocoaWindow is a repository for a lot of Gecko hacks, so who knows what's lurking in there making it work on Gecko
16:35 ardissone: s/Gecko/Firefox/
16:36 ardissone: but it doesn't sound like debugging this beyond where smorgan has gotten will be either fun or easy :(
16:36 ardissone: can we !clone mento and give this to him? :P
16:37 ardissone: anyway, waiting on pink to sr smorgan's metadata stuff, and then Flashblock
16:37 smorgan: Has anyone tried this in Safari, btw?
16:37 smorgan: I'd try, but I don't have 10.0 installed
16:38 smorgan: (Safari on 10.6, specficially)
16:38 ardissone: I don't see it on 10.5
16:38 ardissone: we'll need to poke some 10.6 people
16:39 ardissone: also, people aren't seeing it in 1.6.x on 10.6 because Flash 10 isn't doing CG mode in 1.6.x?
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16:40 smorgan: This is about the event model; drawing model shouldn't matter
16:40 ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541897#c17
16:40 ardissone: huh
16:40 smorgan: I'm not sure why 1.6 wouldn't do it; I guess that's another avenue to explore
16:41 smorgan: Regress via custom builds, maybe
16:41 ardissone:  ?
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16:42 ardissone: cl: if you hide Safari with Flash, do you see bug 541897 ?
16:42 smorgan: ardissone: Try to find out what change in 2.0 development caused it; I assume we don't have all those old nightlies to regress with
16:43 ardissone: yes, we do
16:43 ardissone: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/camino/nightly/ <-- back to 2003
16:44 ardissone: (assuming the ones we want will run on 10.6, but yeah)
16:44 ardissone: ok, that can go in the bug as a to-do task for anyone on 10.6 who wants to help
16:45 ardissone: now anything else on 2.0.3?
16:45 ardissone: ok, on to 2.1
16:46 ardissone: hendy: before you get too deep in Flashblock, please do patches-for-checkin for the dl folder bugs :)
16:46 hendy: k
16:46 ardissone: and let's ask for review on the autocomplete window patch
16:47 ardissone: incremental improvement is better than none at all :)
16:47 ardissone: also, we have our very own mxr now
16:47 ardissone: http://mxr.mozilla.org/camino/
16:47 ardissone: to go along with our repo
16:49 ardissone: I also filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=560323 as a kind of meta showing things blocking us from having dogfoodable nightlies
16:49 ardissone: the bad news is that mento has no ideas about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555885 (tests failing due to xpconnect-in-dist-with-commandline)
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16:51 ardissone: so i don't know where we go from there, other than (again) we need someone to get their hands dirty in the debugger :(
16:51 smorgan: I hope to try soon
16:51 ardissone: we should run an add: "debuggers wanted" :P
16:51 smorgan: I need to remember how to fix sql on 10.6
16:52 ardissone:  :)
16:52 smorgan: That killed my attempt to build from the new repo
16:52 ardissone: oh
16:52 ardissone: i need to resurrect my attempt to backport those patches
16:53 cl: ardissone: i'll try to remember to look into that but no promises. really busy this week
16:53 ardissone:
16:53 ardissone: cl: ok
16:53 cl: still trying to get caught up from the last two weeks :(
16:53 ardissone: there was a lot of churn with the makefiles, specifically OS/2, so my first attempt failed
16:55 ardissone: i've also been hacking at the plist key stuff for revisions and repos, got stuck with a nasty space that won't go away
16:55 ardissone: then switching and doing little cake cleanup patches when i get frustrated ;)
16:56 ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.1?
16:59 ardissone: we need whatever hands we can get to pitch in on the 2.1 and 1.9.2 bugs
16:59 ardissone:  :)
16:59 ardissone: the good news is that the numbers aren't growing
17:00 ardissone: otoh, they're not shrinking much, either ;)
17:01 ardissone: speaking of hands, everyone wave at forquare; he's a student in the UK (Wales?) that we hope will learn some objc after java and become another froodian ;)
17:02 smorgan: waves
17:02 forquare: I'm planning to learn in the summer :D
17:02 ardissone: that's step #1 on the froodian plan, iirc
17:02 forquare: *waves at everyone* *sits back down*
17:02 ardissone: also we have Heeboo in the channel; he's a french guy who wants to help
17:03 ardissone: not sure what his skills are (other than finding bizarre build failures ;) )
17:03 ardissone: and hendy was doing a little recruiting on twitter last night :)
17:03 ardissone: ok, anyone have anything else today?
17:05 ardissone: alrighty, everyone work on those 2.0.3/2.1 bugs/reviews, and have a good week :)
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