Status Meetings:2007-04-25:Log
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[12:07pm] froodian: alright, let's get started [12:07pm] froodian: everybody please to be opening your browser windows to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2007-04-25:Agenda [12:07pm] peeja: first up, snowman bugs [12:08pm] cl: wow, look at all that agendizing [12:08pm] cl: good job, agendizers who followed me [12:08pm] ardissone|food: we're in pretty good shape, aside from the regressions we keep finding [12:08pm] ardissone|food: and random clumps of Talkback that worry me [12:09pm] ardissone|food: geck cold freeze got pushed back [12:09pm] cl: to when? [12:09pm] ardissone|food: because f too many blockers [12:09pm] froodian: which is good, since we haven't gotten much done [12:09pm] ardissone|food: TBA [12:09pm] cl: haha [12:09pm] ardissone|food: supposedly this week [12:10pm] froodian: so we should work hard to try to finish up [12:10pm] cl: I wasn't sure if it got pushed back since you agendized or not, that's all [12:10pm] ardissone|food: no, sam was working on pushing it back last week [12:10pm] ardissone|food: for reasons unrelated to us [12:10pm] cl: ah [12:11pm] ardissone|food: we need to try and get our bugs in [12:11pm] ardissone|food: and do a "code complete" build we can push [12:11pm] froodian: and on that note, anybody have anything before we talk about the 1.5 bugs? [12:12pm] ardissone|food: to make sure there aren't mnore regressions [12:12pm] thebot joined the chat room. [12:12pm] ardissone|food: thebot! [12:12pm] froodian: Bug 378464 is waiting on me [12:12pm] thebot: hi ardissone|food [12:12pm] thebot: froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378464 nor, --, Camino1.5, murph@seanmurph.com, NEW, When session saving is off, opening the application from a link opens too many tab/windows [12:12pm] froodian: somebody give me a seriously hard time if i dont' review it before sleeping tonight [12:13pm] cl: promises to do exactly that [12:13pm] froodian: good then [12:13pm] froodian: Bug 373275 needs more English-speaking eyes [12:13pm] thebot: froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373275 nor, --, Camino1.5, alqahira@ardisson.org, NEW, Final Release Notes for Camino 1.1 [12:13pm] froodian: (see the wiki page for the draft) [12:13pm] ardissone|food: i swapped things around [12:13pm] ardissone|food: since the web used a different format [12:13pm] ardissone|food: at least, we need to order the features right still [12:14pm] cl: suggests mento and smorgan be unleashed on the relnotes at this point [12:14pm] ardissone|food: we may want to add additional points under each feature? [12:14pm] ardissone|food: wishes ss would come back [12:14pm] froodian: i think it's meaty enough as it is, personally [12:14pm] ardissone|food: k [12:15pm] froodian: let's do a little more polish, then post in the bug for mento to sr? [12:15pm] ardissone|food: so, language and order sugg welcome [12:15pm] ardissone|food: mhm [12:15pm] froodian: Bug 363010 [12:15pm] cl: i'll take a look at the relnotes after the meeting [12:15pm] froodian: smorgan: where does this stand? [12:15pm] froodian: cl: thanks [12:16pm] thebot: froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363010 nor, --, Camino1.5, stuart.morgan@alumni.case.edu, ASSI, Include localized/multilingual EULAs in the .dmg license agreement [12:16pm] smorgan: I need to make the changes [12:16pm] froodian: k [12:17pm] froodian: Bug 378624 just needs sr... could smorgan do that in lieu of mento, or is it mentobuildland? [12:17pm] thebot: froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378624 enh, --, Camino1.5, alqahira@ardisson.org, ASSI, Update flashblock to version 1.3.6 [12:18pm] froodian: (not to volunteer you or anything... ;)) [12:18pm] smorgan: I know nothing about FB; I'm not SRing it [12:18pm] froodian: k [12:18pm] froodian: in that case, let's remember to bug mento [12:19pm] froodian: so that's the list for 1.5 [12:19pm] ardissone|food: i just put it up last night [12:19pm] froodian: ardissone|food: oh, true [12:19pm] froodian: want to get this thing out the door [12:19pm] froodian: s/want/wants/ [12:19pm] ardissone|food: too [12:20pm] froodian: ok, people have energy to discuss a few non-1.5 bugs? [12:21pm] ardissone|food: mhmn [12:21pm] froodian: Bug 331066 is cool. if it gets reviewed in time for 1.5, we should take it. [12:21pm] thebot: froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331066 nor, --, Camino1.6, cl-bugs@chrislawson.net, ASSI, View source window does not tile properly or remember size/position [12:21pm] froodian: Bug 376930 probably needs pink's input [12:21pm] ardissone|food: (it's a 1-liner) [12:21pm] thebot: froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376930 nor, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, UNCO, Overflow menu covers whole upper right part of my screen [12:21pm] cl: hah, that pung me [12:22pm] froodian: especially since having it as a pop-up was his deal in the first place [12:22pm] ardissone|food: mhm [12:22pm] froodian: iirc [12:23pm] froodian: Bug 363951 [12:23pm] Pinolo|work joined the chat room. [12:23pm] thebot: froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363951 nor, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, UNCO, Action menu button in Show Cookies sheet lacks "Add" (whitelist) option [12:23pm] froodian: is unco, and we should make it not so [12:23pm] froodian: pauses to read the bug [12:23pm] ardissone|food: Pinolo|work: hi [12:23pm] Pinolo|work was promoted to operator by froodian. [12:23pm] Pinolo|work: hi [12:23pm] cl: welcome, Marcello [12:23pm] ardissone|food: did you have items? [12:25pm] froodian: I say WONTFIX on that bug. It seems like UI bloat for an edge use-case that's already possible (though granted, not streamlined) [12:26pm] Pinolo|work is now known as Pinolo. [12:26pm] cl left the chat room. (Connection reset by peer) [12:26pm] cl joined the chat room. [12:26pm] Pinolo: ardissone: where you asking me? [12:26pm] Pinolo: were [12:26pm] ardissone|food: if you had issues you wanted to discuss [12:27pm] Pinolo: not big deal. have you read about the UTF .strings files? [12:27pm] ardissone|food: yeah [12:27pm] ardissone|food: i think it's safe to say it's highly unlikely we'll reland all the nibs and strings after editing on PPC to fix the endian issues, so everyone should use Stefano's work-around for now [12:28pm] ardissone|food: i'm surprised no one has encountered that bug before and reported it to Apple, this far into Intel... [12:28pm] ardissone|food: http://mozdev.org/pipermail/caminol10n/2007-April/001822.html <-- for everyone who wonders what we're discussing [12:29pm] ardissone|food: "The second one..." [12:29pm] cl left the chat room. (Connection reset by peer) [12:29pm] cl joined the chat room. [12:30pm] cl: apologises contritely for the connectivity issues that I'm sure are driving people nuts [12:30pm] Pinolo: do you know a quick way to have a list of files in UTF-Intel inside a pkg? [12:32pm] ardissone|food: it's the individual .strings files generated from the nibs that are (most of) the issue, right? [12:32pm] ardissone|food: (since we only have 3 actual .strings files in a real build) [12:33pm] Pinolo: looking at Stefano's post, I think the trouble is with the .strings files like localizable.strings [12:33pm] Pinolo: not the ones extracted from the .nibs [12:35pm] Pinolo: thinks there are more .strings, but is digging now to find out [12:35pm] ardissone|food: TextEdit claims Loc.stings and CertifDialg.strings are both PPC-endian [12:35pm] ardissone|food: oh, there are the ones in all the prefPanes and .plugins, too [12:36pm] ardissone|food: but for the most part, they shouldn't have changed [12:37pm] Pinolo: talkback? [12:37pm] ardissone|food: yeah, but also shouldn't have changed, i don't think [12:37pm] ardissone|food: and it;'s always UTF-8, anyway [12:38pm] thebot: Firefox: 'Linux fxdbug-linux-tbox Depend' has changed state from Test Failed to Success. [12:38pm] You kicked thebot from the chat room. (ardissone|food) [12:39pm] ardissone|food: one is UTF-16 PPC, the other UTF-8 [12:39pm] ardissone|food: in talkback [12:39pm] ardissone|food: smorgan: do you know an easy way to automatically check a bunch of files for byte order? [12:40pm] Pinolo: I'll do a check and let you know. I don't think UTF8 is good for AppleGlot [12:40pm] Pinolo: It'll be good to know from anyone with MacIntel [12:40pm] smorgan: Look at the first few bytes of the file? [12:41pm] ardissone|food: opening in TextWrangler and checking the menu will show encoding/byte order, but there are a lot of .strings and .strings-generated-from-nibs to check [12:41pm] froodian: ok, we should wrap this meeting up. can we continue strings talk in #camino? [12:42pm] ardissone|food: yeah, there's a bug on the UTF-8 files in Talkback already [12:42pm] ardissone|food: sure [12:42pm] Pinolo: ok, froodian [12:42pm] froodian: anybody else have an opinion on Bug 363951 first [12:42pm] froodian: ? [12:42pm] ardissone|food: is that the one to WF? [12:42pm] cl: No. [12:42pm] froodian: that's sort of the question... [12:42pm] cl: That's the one to confirm so I can fix it. [12:43pm] cl: yes, it's "bloat", but it also makes little sense to have a "block" action without the corresponding "allow" action [12:44pm] ardissone|food: you're already allowing them if they're there [12:44pm] cl: there are a LOT of people who ask for session cookies on feedback; presumably at least some of them follow a similar use case to my own [12:44pm] froodian: seems like everybody speaking has made their opinions known, motion to table until somebody new cares to weigh in. [12:45pm] ardissone|food: seconded [12:45pm] cl: grr [12:45pm] froodian: in that case, good meeting. fix the 1.5 bugs! ian, review murph's AE fix [12:45pm] froodian was kicked from the chat room by froodian. (wheee)