Status Meetings:2009-01-21:Log
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[02:01am] You were promoted to operator by chanserv. [02:01am] You changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-01-21:Agenda". [05:48am] cl|zzz is now known as cl. [06:22am] cl left the chat room. (Quit: back this evening) [11:52am] murph joined the chat room. [12:03pm] hendy joined the chat room. [12:04pm] murph left the chat room. (Quit: murph) [12:04pm] murph joined the chat room. [12:04pm] murph left the chat room. (Quit: murph) [12:07pm] You are now known as ardissone|foraging. [12:07pm] murph joined the chat room. [12:07pm] hendy was promoted to operator by you. [12:07pm] murph was promoted to operator by you. [12:07pm] kreeger joined the chat room. [12:08pm] ardissone|foraging: yay lag [12:08pm] kreeger was promoted to operator by you. [12:08pm] peeja joined the chat room. [12:08pm] peeja was promoted to operator by you. [12:09pm] ilya joined the chat room. [12:09pm] ilya was promoted to operator by you. [12:10pm] ardissone|foraging: waiting on those crazy GOOGs [12:11pm] ss: I see a couple of them on another network... [12:11pm] ss: Not clear if they're going to be coming though (I pang them) [12:11pm] ardissone|foraging: k [12:12pm] ardissone|foraging: smorgan's been in #camino since before the weekend [12:13pm] ardissone|foraging: so wherever he is, it's not at work [12:14pm] ardissone|foraging: heh [12:14pm] ardissone|foraging: the lag must be me [12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: ok, let's get started and at least run through things [12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: everyone please open your 2.0b1 or newer to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-01-21:Agenda [12:16pm] ardissone|foraging: b1's been out for a month now [12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: our PPC users aren't crashing all that much, or they aren't using it [12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: the appshell crash-on-quit is now moved down to #2 [12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: ilya: are you still seeing it? [12:18pm] ilya: mmm, haven't tried not having any windows open in a while [12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: if so, can you try smichaud's test build? [12:19pm] ilya: yeah [12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: we need him to answer stuart's questions, but the people who are seeing the assorted crashes should try his build to at least see if his ugly hack fixes them [12:19pm] ilya: is that attached to the bug? [12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: yeah, in one of the comments [12:19pm] You are now known as ardissone. [12:20pm] ilya: k, I'll try it [12:20pm] ardissone: thanks [12:20pm] ardissone: for whatever reason, i've never been able to repro either that or the Dock quit method [12:21pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471948#c10 [12:21pm] ardissone: moving way up to #3 this week is the 1password crash [12:21pm] ardissone: the 1P people supposedly have a fix in their beta channel [12:21pm] ilya: we should make them pay us a quarter for each crash they cause [12:22pm] ardissone: they'd go bankrupt [12:22pm] ilya: or, perhaps, make their users pay less [12:22pm] ardissone: stuart also has a patch that probably prevents them from crashing us, but it's still waiting on pink [12:23pm] ardissone: also in fun bugs [12:23pm] ardissone: we have the 10.4 autorelease leak [12:23pm] ardissone: no real clue there [12:24pm] ardissone: and the crash/hang when adding a bookmark [12:24pm] ardissone: this one we think might be related to the key loop [12:24pm] ardissone: murph: can you take a look at it at some point? [12:24pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470159 [12:24pm] ardissone: it's hard to repro, unfortunately [12:26pm] murph: ardissone: yeah, I'll definitely take a look [12:26pm] ardissone: thanks [12:26pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.0b1? [12:26pm] ilya: oh, what about that 100% CPU bug? [12:27pm] ilya: any ideas what's going on there? [12:27pm] ardissone: which one is that? [12:27pm] ilya: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474406 [12:28pm] ardissone: it looked like spin locks, i think [12:28pm] ardissone: need someone else to read it, though [12:29pm] ardissone: it's almost certainly not our bug [12:29pm] ardissone: the question is where in Core does it need to go [12:30pm] ilya: even though it's not reproduceable in firefox? [12:31pm] ilya: it does seem like there's a lot of spin locks there... [12:31pm] ardissone: it's not a UI bug [12:31pm] ilya: but they seem to be in Cocoa code [12:31pm] ardissone: Widget? [12:32pm] ilya: well, one of them isn't in Cocoa code [12:32pm] ilya: iono [12:32pm] ardissone: the appshell is on the stack [12:32pm] ardissone: or should i say, the hackshell [12:33pm] ardissone: on the 1.6.6 front, there's nothing really new [12:33pm] ardissone: with Talkback still broken, I can't get any sort of useful crash info [12:33pm] ardissone: it also suffers from the 1Passwd bug [12:34pm] ardissone: i tried to do some investigation for murph of the search bug over the weekend [12:34pm] ardissone: with very limited success [12:34pm] ardissone: on to 2.0... [12:35pm] ardissone: we've also uncovered some new Gecko/Flash/Flashblock bugs [12:35pm] murph: ardissone: sorry I wasn't around to help debug it with you, I can actually make you a patch to apply to your tree on 10.3, to log some stuff adn debug that way [12:35pm] ilya: argh [12:36pm] ilya: if anyone needs help reproducing the hang on quit, I'm all over it [12:36pm] ardissone: murph: we did log some stuff; i'll catch you a bit later with the details [12:36pm] ardissone: ;( [12:36pm] ardissone: hopefully the Gecko bug will help get Flashblock sorted out [12:37pm] ilya: also crash on quit just reproduced, so I'll try smichaud's patch [12:37pm] ardissone: because I just remembered we've seen some symptoms of Bug 474153 with 1.6.x [12:38pm] ardissone: or at least i think that's what allen middleton determined [12:38pm] pinkerton joined the chat room. [12:38pm] pinkerton: hey [12:38pm] ardissone: pink! [12:38pm] ardissone: mooof! [12:38pm] ardissone: we were just discussing how Gecko sucks [12:38pm] pinkerton was promoted to operator by you. [12:39pm] pinkerton: moof [12:39pm] pinkerton: lol [12:39pm] pinkerton: shock [12:39pm] ardissone: also how 1password crashes us a lot [12:40pm] pinkerton: shock [12:40pm] ardissone: and how we hope smorgan's patch will stop one of the crashes [12:40pm] pinkerton: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [12:40pm] pinkerton: er [12:40pm] pinkerton: any particular gecko suckage? [12:40pm] ardissone: hackshell, er appshell [12:40pm] ardissone: plugins [12:41pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474406 [12:41pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470159 [12:41pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472196 [12:41pm] ardissone: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474022 [12:41pm] ilya: oh, actually my crash on quit just now was different [12:41pm] ilya: 0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x94db1688 objc_msgSend + 24 [12:41pm] ilya: 1 org.mozilla.camino 0x006cb6a5 nsBaseAppShell::Release() + 47 [12:41pm] ilya: 2 libxpcom_core.dylib 0x00d60494 nsCOMPtr_base::~nsCOMPtr_base() + 20 [12:41pm] ilya: 3 libxpcom_core.dylib 0x00d9cdcb nsThread::Release() + 47 [12:41pm] ilya: 4 libxpcom_core.dylib 0x00d60494 nsCOMPtr_base::~nsCOMPtr_base() + 20 [12:42pm] ilya: ... [12:42pm] ilya: that's another known crash, right? [12:42pm] ardissone: no, that's the appshell one [12:42pm] ardissone: there are two slightly different signatures, aiui [12:42pm] kreeger left the chat room. (Quit: kreeger) [12:43pm] ardissone: there may actually be a bug in Flashblock related to the last bug i mentioned [12:43pm] ardissone: hopefully the bug, which has blocking 1.9.0.7, will help sort it out [12:44pm] ardissone: ok... [12:44pm] ardissone: no smorgan, no jeff [12:44pm] ilya: well, I can't reproduce the crash anymore on the non-patched Camino... [12:44pm] ardissone: so no updates on breakpad, security UI, or tabsposé [12:44pm] ardissone: :sigh: [12:45pm] ardissone: murph's going to look at the one possibly-key-loop-related crasher [12:45pm] ardissone: murph: any news on the 10.4 tab dragging bug? [12:46pm] murph: ardissone: yeah I was able to get my 10.4 book up and running, so I am in the process of taking a look at that now [12:46pm] murph: I hope to have that figured out very soon [12:46pm] ardissone: [12:47pm] ardissone: there's nothing new on the zoom icons since last week's discussion [12:48pm] pinkerton: do we have a plan/schedule for 2.0 rc1? or another beta? [12:48pm] smorgan joined the chat room. [12:48pm] ardissone: pinkerton: we're looking at A with better arrow contrast on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=356898 [12:48pm] ardissone: b2 [12:49pm] ardissone: with breakpad and growl and any last l10n-affecting changes [12:49pm] pinkerton: ok [12:49pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by you. [12:49pm] ardissone: we may as well chat growl right now [12:50pm] ardissone: ilya's patch needs a minor change to make l10n work correctly, but otherwise the version up for sr should be sr-able [12:50pm] ardissone: i think i have the framework integration working [12:51pm] ardissone: that's in smrogan's queue for sanity-check [12:51pm] pinkerton: k [12:51pm] ardissone: since he's done that sort of stuff before [12:51pm] ardissone: Growl is about 16 MB of source files [12:52pm] pinkerton: i'd prefer it didn't drag out for just that. [12:52pm] ardissone: the actual framework is 240 KB, not 140 or whatever we were quoting before [12:52pm] ilya: I don't think we need most of those 16 MB [12:52pm] ardissone: pinkerton: we can't ship with Talkback [12:52pm] pinkerton: i know, but we can w/out growl [12:52pm] ardissone: Talkback is actually more broken than crash-stats [12:53pm] ardissone: well, growl is almost ready [12:53pm] ardissone: breakpad, i'm guessing, is not [12:53pm] pinkerton: heh [12:53pm] smorgan: No, I've been out of town [12:54pm] ardissone: aside from the crashes and leaks and other Gecko suckage, breakpad is the b2 blocker [12:55pm] pinkerton: who's on that? [12:55pm] ardissone: but we've been essentially idle for almost a month now [12:55pm] ardissone: smorgan is writing the client [12:55pm] smorgan: Me, but I haven't gotten to it [12:56pm] ardissone: !clone smorgan [12:56pm] ilya: Growl would also be nice to have some broader user testing for, in terms of behavior matching what users want [12:56pm] ilya: brb [12:56pm] ilya left the chat room. (Quit: ilya) [12:56pm] ardissone: for that matter, !clone pinkerton and !clone mento [12:56pm] pinkerton: heh [12:57pm] ardissone: hendy: any updates on UTF-8 or anything else from your neck of the woods? [12:57pm] hendy: no [12:57pm] ardissone: ok [12:58pm] hendy: i may find some time today to get back into it [12:58pm] ardissone: [12:58pm] ardissone: anyone else have anything else on 2.0? (besides pink's "ship it" ;) ) [12:58pm] pinkerton: heh [1:00pm] ardissone: as i mentioned earlier, we had no fixed bugs in the past week, and the queues only grew ;) [1:00pm] ardissone: we also need to attack the UNCOs again [1:00pm] pinkerton: smorgan: i noticed the rss feed for my sr queue no longer works [1:00pm] ardissone: aha! [1:00pm] smorgan: pinkerton: hrm, I'll take a look [1:01pm] ardissone: therein lies the problem ;) [1:01pm] pinkerton: heh. [1:01pm] pinkerton: sorry! [1:01pm] ardissone: technology always letting us down [1:02pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else? [1:03pm] ilya joined the chat room. [1:03pm] ardissone: ok then [1:03pm] pinkerton: l8r folks [1:03pm] ardissone: let's all have a good week and work on patches/reviews/UNCO-killing [1:03pm] pinkerton left the chat room.