Status Meetings:2010-01-27:Log
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Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-01-27 02:23:19 -0500
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12:02 | ardissone: | smorgan: any pink today? |
12:03 | smorgan: | checking... |
12:03 | ardissone: | ty :) |
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12:04 | pinkerton: | moof |
12:04 | ardissone: | moof! :) |
12:04 | ardissone: | ok, everyone please open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-01-27:Agenda in your Caminos ;) |
12:04 | ardissone: | first item of business |
12:05 | ardissone: | there haven't been a lot of responses |
12:05 | ardissone: | but every one to the list or the channel has indicated that the later time would be better (or at least the same) |
12:06 | ardissone: | so starting next month (next week, 3 Feb), we'll move to then |
12:06 | ardissone: | i'll post to the list as well |
12:06 | pinkerton: | sounds good |
12:07 | ardissone: | and, actually, let's pull AppZapper up to the front, too |
12:07 | ardissone: | we should have Sam go back to them with stuart's list, then? |
12:08 | pinkerton: | i think so |
12:08 | ardissone: | ok |
12:08 | pinkerton: | stress that we're not trying to be dicks, but we have some concerns |
12:08 | ardissone: | mhm |
12:08 | pinkerton: | being a dick can come next. |
12:08 | ardissone: | hehe |
12:08 | ardissone: | ss: ^^^ action item for you |
12:09 | ardissone: | on to 2.0.1 then |
12:09 | ardissone: | This was our first reported decline in total crashes |
12:09 | ardissone: | (rolling 2wk period) |
12:10 | ardissone: | it was mostly Flash; everything else seemed to be up |
12:10 | pinkerton: | yay? |
12:10 | ardissone: | yeah |
12:11 | ardissone: | not sure what to make of it |
12:11 | ardissone: | nothing really new in the top 10, though the keychain crash that stuart speculatively patched jumped 2 spots |
12:12 | ardissone: | so hopefully that fix will be the fix we want :) |
12:12 | ardissone: | Armen's docshell crasher is a top 20 crash, maybe higher depending on signatures |
12:13 | ardissone: | so it would be really useful it someone could try to do what bz suggests |
12:13 | ardissone: | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541743 |
12:14 | ardissone: | or tell me what needs to change, or something |
12:14 | ardissone: | but it's easy to repro with Armen's STR, and it's not just Armen crashing (in fact, until the other night, all his reports were missing) |
12:15 | ardissone: | the other crash that I noticed as something we could maybe do something about is not as big; it's a 10.4.11 PPC crashs |
12:16 | ardissone: | Sparkle downloanding appcasts: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0.1&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=strlen%20%7c%20-%5bNSXMLTreeReader%20processRealDocument:%5d&do_query=1 |
12:16 | ardissone: | dunno if that's anything we can fix or if it's the OS |
12:16 | smorgan: | Ew |
12:17 | smorgan: | Since it's a crash, not an exception, there's probably nothing we can do |
12:17 | ardissone: | k |
12:19 | ardissone: | like i said, it's not huge, but i noticed the sig was Cocoa instead of Gecko :P |
12:19 | ardissone: | Stuart said the other day the adoption rate for 2.0.1 has been very good |
12:20 | ardissone: | (at least for those on 2.0-anything) |
12:20 | smorgan: | 90%! |
12:20 | pinkerton: | nice. |
12:20 | ardissone: | far better than anything we've seen for 1.6.x iirc |
12:21 | smorgan: | Yes, although that may be an artifact of the fact that people who don't update are still on 1.6 |
12:21 | ardissone: | haha |
12:22 | ardissone: | and we still have, what, 20%?, of eligible 2.x users still on 1.6.x? |
12:22 | smorgan: | About that, yes |
12:23 | ardissone: | we talked about serving them a daily update suggestion |
12:23 | smorgan: | Which put together gives us about the same, or maybe a bit lower, "latest version" adoption than we had with 1.6 |
12:25 | ardissone: | we're in the run-up to 2.0.2 now (gecko release set for 16 feb), so i'd like not to be doing too much messing with updates between now and them, but i think after 2.0.2 we could definitely try the daily prompting |
12:26 | smorgan: | Although I realized later that there's no bump from 2.01, from what I can tell |
12:26 | ardissone: | ? |
12:26 | smorgan: | So prompting may not actually do anything for stragglers |
12:27 | smorgan: | There wasn't a shift in 1.6/2.0 ratio when 2.0.1 came out |
12:27 | ardissone: | ah |
12:27 | smorgan: | The curves haven't flattened, so maybe we should just keep being patient |
12:28 | ardissone: | well, if it's easy enough, we can still try for a bit after 2.0.2, or in March or something |
12:28 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else on 2.0.1? |
12:28 | smorgan: | We could try something fun once, just to see if it works |
12:28 | ardissone: | mhm |
12:28 | smorgan: | It's HTML, so we could use bit fonts, color, etc |
12:28 | ardissone: | haha |
12:28 | smorgan: | "Wait! Don't touch that button!" |
12:29 | smorgan: | "Now how much would you pay?" |
12:29 | ardissone: | "Did you know that 20% of Camino users don't have the latest and greatest Camino? Find out how you can fix that today!" |
12:30 | ardissone: | on the 1.6.x front, crashes there continue to decline :) |
12:30 | pinkerton: | yay! |
12:30 | ardissone: | Flash Player all by itself now makes up 42% of 1.6.10 crashes |
12:31 | ardissone: | predicting 50% before 1.6.x is EOLed :P |
12:31 | smorgan: | Presumably the Flash version average is getting lower on 1.6 |
12:32 | ardissone: | presumably; one person did mention they had just updated to the latest in their crash comment :P |
12:32 | ardissone: | oh, that's the other thing I meant to say up top |
12:33 | ardissone: | the #2 and #3 individual Flash Player crashes for 2.0.1 are old and ancient Flash versions |
12:33 | ardissone: | a 10.0 that's a few revs out of date |
12:33 | ardissone: | and a 9.0 that's what shipped with 10.4 or something |
12:34 | ardissone: | not quite that old, but I had to go back pretty far to find it |
12:34 | ardissone: | so i'd really like to see us get Flash checking on start/welcome before 2.0.2 |
12:34 | pinkerton: | yeah, seems like a reasonable idea |
12:35 | smorgan: | What's the blocker there? |
12:35 | ardissone: | Someone doing it |
12:35 | ardissone: | Sam having too many Mai-Tais on the beach? |
12:36 | smorgan: | Can we just redirect to the Mozilla page or something? |
12:36 | ardissone: | We could add a link |
12:37 | ardissone: | but that's not as effective as having it actually on the page |
12:37 | smorgan: | Yeah |
12:37 | ardissone: | and the MoCo pages are explicitly very fx-centric |
12:38 | ardissone: | so it's not the best experience when we get there |
12:38 | smorgan: | I was thinking backup plan |
12:38 | ardissone: | yeah, better than nothing, I guess |
12:39 | ardissone: | ok |
12:39 | ardissone: | where were we? |
12:39 | ardissone: | 1.6.11? |
12:40 | ardissone: | everything that's ours that's currently desired and patched has landed |
12:40 | ardissone: | i did the last two ? last night |
12:40 | ardissone: | There's been some movement on the Gecko front (minusing bugs), but there's still no date set |
12:41 | ardissone: | anything esle on 1.6.x? |
12:42 | ardissone: | on 2.0.2, we're basically waiting on a new patch from cl for the Flash exceptions list appearing broken bug |
12:43 | ardissone: | i've got a trivial url-fix patch in pink's sr queue (which is mostly awesome dan 2.1 stuff) |
12:43 | ardissone: | like i mentioned topside, be very good if we could get a C++ person to check bz's suggestion on the docshell crash |
12:44 | smorgan: | I'll try to look soon |
12:44 | ardissone: | ty :) |
12:44 | ardissone: | I'll try to get to the Flashblock upgrade and try my last netError hack this week |
12:44 | ardissone: | or this weekend, baring more floods and other not-fun |
12:45 | ardissone: | anything else on 2.0.x? |
12:45 | pinkerton: | k i'll check my sr q |
12:45 | ardissone: | :) |
12:45 | ardissone: | on to 2.1 |
12:46 | ardissone: | dan's made some great progress in the last week or so |
12:46 | pinkerton: | nice. |
12:46 | ardissone: | the two most visible bugs have patches (one in pink's sr queue already) |
12:46 | ardissone: | plus he's got a few others with patches |
12:47 | ardissone: | there's a regression with the location sheet |
12:47 | ardissone: | it no longer shows autocomplete |
12:47 | ardissone: | dan suggested we drop the location/search sheets entirely and adopt the Safari model |
12:47 | ardissone: | of showing the toolbar and hiding on return-press |
12:48 | ardissone: | is there any objection to doing that? |
12:48 | ardissone: | (granted we don't have any hidden-toolbar users among the dev team :P ) |
12:49 | smorgan: | WFM |
12:50 | smorgan: | And anyone who has removed the widget gets what they deserve |
12:50 | ardissone: | heh |
12:51 | ardissone: | pinkerton: you're not a closeted no-toolbar browser, right? ;) |
12:51 | pinkerton: | heh no |
12:52 | pinkerton: | i wouldn't be adverse to that, as long as it animated :D |
12:52 | ardissone: | something other than the standard toolbar show/hide animation? |
12:52 | ardissone: | or just that |
12:53 | ardissone: | hands the floor to hendy for exciting history updates all in one place |
12:53 | pinkerton: | standard is fine |
12:54 | ardissone: | k |
12:54 | hendy: | i got the History menu working yesterday |
12:54 | ardissone: | :D |
12:54 | hendy: | next up is making a new history observer |
12:55 | pinkerton: | yay!!!!!! |
12:55 | hendy: | then the rest will be tidying up the code and making sure everything still works |
12:55 | pinkerton: | awesomeness |
12:55 | ardissone: | any estimate on ETA of a reviewable patch? |
12:55 | hendy: | so maybe by the weekend i should have something |
12:55 | ardissone: | :) |
12:56 | hendy: | the momentum is building |
12:56 | ardissone: | :) |
12:56 | ardissone: | bye-bye mork! |
12:56 | pinkerton: | :D |
12:57 | ardissone: | ilya: any updates from you? you've got the one patch awaiting review, i think |
12:59 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else on 2.1? |
13:00 | ardissone: | ok then |
13:00 | ardissone: | anything else on anything else? |
13:01 | ardissone: | alrighty! |
13:01 | pinkerton: | it's tablet-o'click |
13:01 | pinkerton: | er o-clock |
13:01 | ardissone: | everyone have a good week, work on those 2.0.2/2.1 patches/reviews, and see you next week at a later time |
13:01 | ardissone: | :) |
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