Status Meetings:2010-03-17:Log

Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-03-17 15:43:07 -0400

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16:02	ardissone:	lag +++ :P
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16:03	ardissone:	ok, everyone please open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-03-17:Agenda in your Camino 2.0.2 or newer
16:04	ardissone:	first up, we released Cm1.6.11 on Monday and EOLed the 1.6.x series :D
16:05	ardissone:	so far it seems to be doing well, with flash being 50% fo the crashes :P\
16:05	ardissone:	i'll keep an eye on the crashes for a little while to make sure there's nothing obvious, and then let it go off into the sunset
16:06	ardissone:	on the 2.0.2 crashes front
16:06	ardissone:	the sendEvent crashes are making a surge
16:06	ardissone:	:(
16:07	ardissone:	nothing we can really do about them until we have an idea what they are and how to trigger them :(
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16:08	ardissone:	anyone have anything else about 2.0.2?
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16:10	ardissone:	ok, 2.0.3
16:10	ardissone:	same outstanding issues there: flashblock exceptions list needs new patch from cl
16:11	ardissone:	still waiting on someone to implement !clone so smorgan has time to have a day job, write features, sr patches, *and* investigate the nasty Flash-hiding bug on 10.6
16:12	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 2.0.3?
16:13	ardissone:	ok, moving on to the exciting stuff :P
16:13	ardissone:	if you've been under a rock or under snow or under rain or something
16:14	ardissone:	we are Morkless!
16:14	Wevah:	huzzah
16:14	ardissone:	hendy's history patch went in over the weekend
16:15	ardissone:	there's a 1-3% Ts hit
16:15	ardissone:	and a 0.6% codesize increase
16:16	ardissone:	hendy, smorgan: is the consensus on the Ts that there's nothing we can do to control the startup hit?
16:16	pinkerton:	:(
16:16	smorgan:	I don't know, I haven't profiled
16:16	smorgan:	If hendy's core->objc loading code is currently run at startup, then there is something we can do
16:17	smorgan:	(assuming that takes significant time, which I assume it does)
16:17	hendy:	it's not run at startup, afaict
16:17	smorgan:	Ah, bummer :(
16:18	ardissone:	should we open a placeholder bug for having some profile that, or no?
16:19	smorgan:	May as well I guess
16:19	ardissone:	ok
16:19	smorgan:	Worst case we'll profile startup and find nothing we can do differently
16:20	smorgan:	Getting a current breakdown for how much time we spend on what during startup would be nice regardless of history changes :)
16:20	ardissone:	:)
16:20	ardissone:	ok
16:21	ardissone:	on the 1.9.2 front, almost all of hendy's and my patches have been up for sr
16:21	ardissone:	(except the Downloads ones, iirc)
16:22	ardissone:	landed a bunch of them in the test repo
16:22	ardissone:	kreeger's great Gecko macros are not so great about not lying to us, though ;)
16:22	ardissone:	so hendy's got to redo the null checks
16:23	hendy:	smorgan: i was thinking for my revised patches to just replace most of the NS_ENSURE_SUCCESS calls with NS_ENSURE_TRUE for pointers I will dereference. No sense in having both macros for the same object, right?
16:23	ardissone:	(i think i've got that correct?)
16:24	smorgan:	hendy: The advantage to having the rv check is that we would get more specific failure information
16:24	smorgan:	hendy: I'm not sold on that really mattering that much, but kreeger seemed to think it's worth it
16:25	smorgan:	hendy: if you do keep both, put the rv check first
16:25	hendy:	k
16:26	ardissone:	we're basically one patch away from having Camino buildable from the test repo (the Focus changes)
16:26	hendy:	i'll respin that patch today
16:26	ardissone:	going to try and land the core packaging patch today, insha'allah
16:27	smorgan:	do we know how much work buildbots will be?
16:27	ardissone:	(or insha'ashshajra, perhaps)
16:27	ardissone:	no
16:27	ardissone:	but i have madhatter that's mostly workable
16:28	ardissone:	i have no clue where to begin with buildbot and completely redoing our infra from 0
16:29	ardissone:	but i'm going to try and test-deploy madhatter on cb-x4 this week
16:30	ardissone:	and keep filing Core bugs on broken things
16:31	ardissone:	and follow up on the rest of the items in the to do section of my 1.9.x list
16:31	ardissone:	once we're buildable from the test repo, i'll have philippe file the focus bugs and cc smaug and enn
16:32	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 1.9.2 or 2.1 right now?
16:34	ardissone:	Ok
16:35	ardissone:	pink went through the SoC list since last meeting :) and promoted some projects
16:35	ardissone:	the big thing he skipped was checking out the Core draggable tabs patch to see if the api is embedding-friendly or not
16:35	pinkerton:	i left a couple behind cuz i wasn't sure if we really wanted them, or that they'd be enough work
16:36	ardissone:	i think the list looks good :)
16:36	ardissone:	http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Good_Bugs_and_Projects#Summer_of_Code_2010
16:36	ardissone:	it's a bit beefier than last year's list
16:37	ardissone:	i've forgotten my calendar, but I think student applications begin next week?
16:39	ardissone:	tomorrow the approved orgs are announced
16:39	ardissone:	monday-after-next student apps begin
16:40	ardissone:	we'll still need to sort out the mentoring situation, though
16:41	ardissone:	anything else on SoC now?
16:42	ardissone:	ok
16:42	ardissone:	ss: are you here?
16:42	ardissone:	Generally, we've had a busy week, with lots of 1.9.2 patches generated and 12+ bugs landed in either cvs or the test repo :)
16:43	ardissone:	smorgan's done a bajillion reviews, i think
16:44	ardissone:	question: if pink sr+ the spotlight importer, would we want to try and take that in 2.0.x, since that's a "regression" thanks to Apple?
16:45	smorgan:	I'd be okay with that. Even if it turns out to have problems, it'll be better that what we have now
16:45	ardissone:	ok, that's sort-of where I was, too
16:46	pinkerton:	k
16:46	ardissone:	cl wanted some approval of the approach i outlined in bug 550816 comment 2 before he reviewed my patch
16:46	ardissone:	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550816#c2
16:47	ardissone:	which is basically "change the label name" and "bail if we find a places file"
16:47	smorgan:	What does the user see if we bail?
16:47	ardissone:	no Firefox option in the import pop-up
16:48	smorgan:	Then I'm for it
16:48	ardissone:	ok :)
16:48	ardissone:	anyone have any other bugs or items?
16:50	ardissone:	ok then
16:51	ardissone:	we've had a productive week, so everyone enjoy themselves in moderation tonight, work on those 2.1 bugs and reviews, and have a good week :D