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Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-04-21 15:32:09 -0400
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15:32 | » ardissone was promoted to operator by ChanServ. | |
15:32 | » ardissone changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-04-21:Agenda". | |
15:53 | » smorgan joined the chat room. | |
15:59 | » David joined the chat room. | |
16:00 | » smorgan was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:00 | ardissone: | smorgan: pink? |
16:01 | smorgan: | don't see him around |
16:01 | » ilya joined the chat room. | |
16:01 | » ilya was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:01 | ardissone: | k |
16:02 | ardissone: | brb |
16:05 | » hendy joined the chat room. | |
16:05 | » hendy was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:06 | ardissone: | ok |
16:06 | ardissone: | http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-04-21:Agenda |
16:06 | ardissone: | 2.0.2 crashes have declined slightly since last week |
16:07 | ardissone: | which is nice, since they shot up last week :/ |
16:07 | ardissone: | chatroulette and facebook are tied for the sites where the most people crash :P |
16:08 | David: | Camino probably breaks whenever some hairy guy shows up on chatroulette... |
16:08 | ardissone: | :P |
16:08 | ardissone: | no, someone complained angrily they were talking to a "European girl" when Camino crashed |
16:08 | ardissone: | :P |
16:08 | David: | hahahaha |
16:09 | David: | We bastards! |
16:09 | ardissone: | the top individual Flash crashing stack has a signature that has no bug for it |
16:09 | ardissone: | so it's new, or newly high |
16:09 | ardissone: | (current Flash version) |
16:10 | smorgan: | That's not a new crash |
16:10 | ardissone: | just no bug for it, which is odd :P |
16:10 | smorgan: | Yeah, I don't know why that it |
16:10 | smorgan: | I thought it was odd too |
16:11 | smorgan: | But it was there when I swept Flash crashes in Chrome and compared them to Gecko |
16:11 | ardissone: | :) |
16:11 | ardissone: | I guess I can file one, and then there will be one :P |
16:11 | ardissone: | in happier crash news, i think, quite by accident, i figured out the sparkle-related XML crash |
16:12 | ardissone: | http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0.2&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=strlen%20%7c%20-%5bNSXMLTreeReader%20processRealDocument:%5d&do_query=1 |
16:12 | ardissone: | http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/camino/sparkle/SUAppcast.m#58 |
16:12 | ardissone: | Over on launchpad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/sparkle/+bug/456514 added a null-check to downloadFilename in another method: http://github.com/andymatuschak/Sparkle/commit/bd80144c7b67b7a66c215e40174dfb9310843573 |
16:13 | ardissone: | if we were to null-check SUAppcast.m#58 before going to nsxml, would that help? |
16:13 | ardissone: | (note the null-check in the other method landed after our last pull) |
16:14 | ardissone: | doesn't know how NSXMLDocument works |
16:15 | ardissone: | doesn't know how anything works! :P |
16:15 | smorgan: | Hard to know what the internals are doing |
16:15 | smorgan: | You mean check downloadFilename? |
16:15 | ardissone: | yeah |
16:16 | smorgan: | Can't hurt |
16:16 | smorgan: | There's no way anything good would happen if it's nil |
16:16 | ardissone: | hehe |
16:17 | smorgan: | I wish the Sparkle code would standardize on spacing |
16:17 | ardissone: | heh |
16:18 | ardissone: | i'll get a bug for that, and i guess poke andy on launchpad, too |
16:18 | ardissone: | (the null-checks, not spacing :P ) |
16:18 | smorgan: | Sounds good |
16:18 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else on 2.0.2? |
16:19 | ardissone: | ok |
16:19 | ardissone: | 1.6.x is thrilling as usual |
16:20 | ardissone: | Flash now accounts for 43% of all crashes there |
16:20 | ardissone: | sam mentioned stuff about "doing stats" again over the weekend |
16:20 | ardissone: | so maybe soon :P |
16:21 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else on 1.6.x? |
16:21 | smorgan: | When does it stop getting an agenda entry? ;) |
16:21 | » Wevah joined the chat room. | |
16:21 | ardissone: | when we get stats to make sure all the 10.4-and-ups are gone? :P |
16:21 | » Wevah was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:22 | ardissone: | !tie-ss-down-in-front-of-good-internet :P |
16:22 | smorgan: | But why are we still looking at crashes? |
16:23 | ardissone: | just because it takes about 2s :P |
16:23 | smorgan: | Ah, okay |
16:23 | ardissone: | making sure there's nothing unusual that's really ours |
16:23 | smorgan: | So all that's left for 1.6 is deciding if we want to do a fake update? |
16:23 | ardissone: | seeing if Flash cracks 50% of all crashes :P |
16:24 | ardissone: | yeah |
16:24 | ardissone: | speaking of updates… |
16:24 | ardissone: | we've got this 2.0.3 hanging |
16:25 | ardissone: | smorgan rewrote metadata stuff to hopefully prevent any "importer in use" issues |
16:25 | smorgan: | s/prevent/limit/ |
16:25 | ardissone: | ah, ok; sorry |
16:25 | ardissone: | hendy: any progress on the Flash exceptions list since the harvest? |
16:26 | hendy: | no :( |
16:26 | hendy: | been busy with other stuff since then |
16:26 | ardissone: | k |
16:26 | ardissone: | any ETA? |
16:26 | ardissone: | or SWAG :P |
16:26 | hendy: | but i've just now opened up Xcode, so we'll see how we'll go |
16:26 | ardissone: | :D |
16:27 | ardissone: | smorgan brought more bad news last night, though |
16:27 | ardissone: | Death-by-Flash-logging on 10,6 - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541897 |
16:27 | ardissone: | smorgan: that's an OS call that's failing? |
16:28 | smorgan: | Yes |
16:29 | smorgan: | It looks like trying to HIConvertPoint to a window coordinate space when the window isn't actually on screen makes the OS sad |
16:29 | smorgan: | In our case, but not Firefox's for reasons I'm not sure of |
16:29 | ardissone: | and presumably it's only failing on 10.6, or we'd see this on 10.5, or it only makes the OS sad on 10.6? |
16:30 | smorgan: | Yes, presumably it works on 10.5 |
16:30 | smorgan: | Or at least, doesn't explode |
16:30 | smorgan: | Who knows what coordinates it gives back, but it doesn't really matter since we can't see the Flash |
16:30 | smorgan: | If a mouseover is in the wrong place, and nobody can see it, does anybody care? ;) |
16:31 | ardissone: | other than Mac OS X 10.6 :P |
16:31 | hendy: | getting console spam on hiding w/ 10.5 |
16:31 | hendy: | just tried it now |
16:31 | ardissone: | huh |
16:31 | hendy: | Apr 22 08:30:57 Veronica Camino[68486]: Failed to create window context device |
16:31 | hendy: | Apr 22 08:30:57 Veronica Camino[68486]: CGWindowContextCreate: failed to create context delegate. |
16:31 | hendy: | Apr 22 08:30:57 Veronica Camino[68486]: _initWithWindowNumber: error creating graphics ctxt object for ctxt:0xf22f, window:0xffffffff |
16:32 | ardissone: | oh, i suppose I never tested with Flash, only the test plugin |
16:33 | hendy: | looks like a different issue |
16:35 | ardissone: | anyway, nsCocoaWindow is a repository for a lot of Gecko hacks, so who knows what's lurking in there making it work on Gecko |
16:35 | ardissone: | s/Gecko/Firefox/ |
16:36 | ardissone: | but it doesn't sound like debugging this beyond where smorgan has gotten will be either fun or easy :( |
16:36 | ardissone: | can we !clone mento and give this to him? :P |
16:37 | ardissone: | anyway, waiting on pink to sr smorgan's metadata stuff, and then Flashblock |
16:37 | smorgan: | Has anyone tried this in Safari, btw? |
16:37 | smorgan: | I'd try, but I don't have 10.0 installed |
16:38 | smorgan: | (Safari on 10.6, specficially) |
16:38 | ardissone: | I don't see it on 10.5 |
16:38 | ardissone: | we'll need to poke some 10.6 people |
16:39 | ardissone: | also, people aren't seeing it in 1.6.x on 10.6 because Flash 10 isn't doing CG mode in 1.6.x? |
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16:40 | » cl was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:40 | smorgan: | This is about the event model; drawing model shouldn't matter |
16:40 | ardissone: | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541897#c17 |
16:40 | ardissone: | huh |
16:40 | smorgan: | I'm not sure why 1.6 wouldn't do it; I guess that's another avenue to explore |
16:41 | smorgan: | Regress via custom builds, maybe |
16:41 | ardissone: | ? |
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16:42 | ardissone: | cl: if you hide Safari with Flash, do you see bug 541897 ? |
16:42 | smorgan: | ardissone: Try to find out what change in 2.0 development caused it; I assume we don't have all those old nightlies to regress with |
16:43 | ardissone: | yes, we do |
16:43 | ardissone: | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/camino/nightly/ <-- back to 2003 |
16:44 | ardissone: | (assuming the ones we want will run on 10.6, but yeah) |
16:44 | ardissone: | ok, that can go in the bug as a to-do task for anyone on 10.6 who wants to help |
16:45 | ardissone: | now anything else on 2.0.3? |
16:45 | ardissone: | ok, on to 2.1 |
16:46 | ardissone: | hendy: before you get too deep in Flashblock, please do patches-for-checkin for the dl folder bugs :) |
16:46 | hendy: | k |
16:46 | ardissone: | and let's ask for review on the autocomplete window patch |
16:47 | ardissone: | incremental improvement is better than none at all :) |
16:47 | ardissone: | also, we have our very own mxr now |
16:47 | ardissone: | http://mxr.mozilla.org/camino/ |
16:47 | ardissone: | to go along with our repo |
16:49 | ardissone: | I also filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=560323 as a kind of meta showing things blocking us from having dogfoodable nightlies |
16:49 | ardissone: | the bad news is that mento has no ideas about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555885 (tests failing due to xpconnect-in-dist-with-commandline) |
16:50 | » forquare joined the chat room. | |
16:51 | ardissone: | so i don't know where we go from there, other than (again) we need someone to get their hands dirty in the debugger :( |
16:51 | smorgan: | I hope to try soon |
16:51 | ardissone: | we should run an add: "debuggers wanted" :P |
16:51 | smorgan: | I need to remember how to fix sql on 10.6 |
16:52 | ardissone: | :) |
16:52 | smorgan: | That killed my attempt to build from the new repo |
16:52 | ardissone: | oh |
16:52 | ardissone: | i need to resurrect my attempt to backport those patches |
16:53 | cl: | ardissone: i'll try to remember to look into that but no promises. really busy this week |
16:53 | ardissone: | |
16:53 | ardissone: | cl: ok |
16:53 | cl: | still trying to get caught up from the last two weeks :( |
16:53 | ardissone: | there was a lot of churn with the makefiles, specifically OS/2, so my first attempt failed |
16:55 | ardissone: | i've also been hacking at the plist key stuff for revisions and repos, got stuck with a nasty space that won't go away |
16:55 | ardissone: | then switching and doing little cake cleanup patches when i get frustrated ;) |
16:56 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else on 2.1? |
16:59 | ardissone: | we need whatever hands we can get to pitch in on the 2.1 and 1.9.2 bugs |
16:59 | ardissone: | :) |
16:59 | ardissone: | the good news is that the numbers aren't growing |
17:00 | ardissone: | otoh, they're not shrinking much, either ;) |
17:01 | ardissone: | speaking of hands, everyone wave at forquare; he's a student in the UK (Wales?) that we hope will learn some objc after java and become another froodian ;) |
17:02 | smorgan: | waves |
17:02 | forquare: | I'm planning to learn in the summer :D |
17:02 | ardissone: | that's step #1 on the froodian plan, iirc |
17:02 | forquare: | *waves at everyone* *sits back down* |
17:02 | ardissone: | also we have Heeboo in the channel; he's a french guy who wants to help |
17:03 | ardissone: | not sure what his skills are (other than finding bizarre build failures ;) ) |
17:03 | ardissone: | and hendy was doing a little recruiting on twitter last night :) |
17:03 | ardissone: | ok, anyone have anything else today? |
17:05 | ardissone: | alrighty, everyone work on those 2.0.3/2.1 bugs/reviews, and have a good week :) |