Status Meetings:2010-11-10:Log

Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-11-10 15:33:50 -0500

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16:00	ardissone:	smorgan: any pink today?
16:00	smorgan:	He's not on IRC, so I guess not
16:00	ardissone:	ok
16:01	ardissone:	ilya appears to be here but not here here :P
16:01	smorgan:	Oh wait, here he is
16:01	ardissone:	:)
16:01	smorgan:	on his way
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16:03	ardissone:	http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-11-10:Agenda
16:04	ardissone:	2.0.5's 2wks and a day old
16:04	smorgan:	replace it!
16:04	ardissone:	it looks like we have about 64% of users
16:04	ardissone:	er, of 2.0.x users
16:05	ardissone:	smorgan: is our Flash 10.1 still going up, even if it's not .latest?
16:06	smorgan:	Let me see
16:06	ardissone:	our 2wk crash count is sitting right around 3K, which is several hundred lower than 2.0.4 had been
16:06	smorgan:	I would think the press around the flash exploit would get some more people updated...
16:07	ardissone:	which is a good sign
16:07	ardissone:	Flash 10.0 crashes have overtaken Flash 10.1 crashes finally
16:08	ardissone:	KBL+Flash together account for 30% of our crashes
16:08	smorgan:	For Tuesday, 42.5% 10.1r85, 12.8% 10.1r102
16:09	smorgan:	Looks like another 11.5% older 10.1s
16:09	smorgan:	So it's a majority
16:09	smorgan:	10.0r45 is still #2, but not by much compared to 10.1r102
16:09	ardissone:	last week .latest was 43%
16:09	ardissone:	if i read the log right
16:10	ardissone:	so it plus the new .latest show an increase
16:10	smorgan:	Yep
16:10	ardissone:	:)
16:10	smorgan:	Surprisingly 102 doesn't seem to be coming from r85
16:10	smorgan:	which is what I would have expected to mostly be the case
16:10	smorgan:	But I'll take it :)
16:10	ardissone:	yeah
16:11	smorgan:	Something like 2/3 are on some kind of 10.1
16:11	ardissone:	:)
16:12	smorgan:	(and of those, ~80% are on latest or latest-1
16:12	smorgan:	)
16:12	ardissone:	:)
16:12	ardissone:	so, we're having a positive effect
16:12	ardissone:	cl noted that his mother was confused by the alert and re-downloaded Camino instead of getting Flash updated
16:13	ardissone:	i'm not sure what we can do to make that more clear
16:14	smorgan:	Different icon and/or color?
16:14	smorgan:	I assume the confusion was because it looks the same as our out-of
16:14	smorgan:	-date build warning
16:16	ardissone:	tries to get both showing
16:17	ardissone:	that could be
16:17	smorgan:	We can file a bug and kick around options
16:17	ardissone:	although the header is quite large and specific ;)
16:17	ardissone:	ok
16:17	ardissone:	we had discussed two icon colors initially
16:17	ardissone:	and just pushed 1 to have something
16:18	ardissone:	i'll file that later
16:18	ardissone:	I finally filed the "corrupt" crash stacks as https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610947
16:18	ardissone:	ted seems to be saying that's just the way it works now
16:19	ardissone:	i'm still not sure how the raw stack memory is inventing things below start, though :P
16:20	ardissone:	in terms of actual crashes, not much new this week
16:21	ardissone:	-[BrowserWindowController tabView:didSelectTabViewItem:] spiked into the report, though
16:21	ardissone:	e.g. http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/0853742c-bfd1-4f3e-8989-b46e92101108
16:23	smorgan:	That looks weird
16:24	ardissone:	http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/56c1d92e-dbb6-4b80-8c6e-8237f2101108 has both JEP and nsCocoaWindow swizzling
16:24	smorgan:	These also all have IMs so far
16:24	smorgan:	LCC Scroll Encancer in many
16:24	ardissone:	heh
16:24	ardissone:	a cancer indeed
16:24	smorgan:	Or LastPass
16:25	smorgan:	Yep, all LastPass so far
16:25	ardissone:	heh
16:25	smorgan:	And isn't that pretty new on the Mac?
16:25	ardissone:	that's the thing that just added support for Camino
16:26	ardissone:	http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2003009
16:26	smorgan:	Yeah, every one of the reports in the list from the agenda has it
16:26	ardissone:	ok
16:26	ardissone:	well, i'm glad to see IMs are keeping their deserved reputation up :P
16:26	smorgan:	Maybe it's a right of passage
16:27	smorgan:	I'll go see if I can find a support address to write to
16:27	ardissone:	how's come ChimericalConsole has never made me have bizarre crashes? :P ;)
16:27	ardissone:	ok, thanks :)
16:27	smorgan:	Because it doesn't do anything? ;)
16:28	ardissone:	it adds a menu item that I use often ;)
16:28	ardissone:	so that's it for crashes/2.0.5, unless anyone has anything else
16:29	ardissone:	on 2.0.6, i'll build later this afternoon/evening
16:30	ardissone:	l10n was rocking; within 3 hours of sending the message, we already had 3 sets of relnotes
16:30	ardissone:	:)
16:30	ardissone:	1 more this afternoon
16:30	ardissone:	tentatively targetting thursday for the release
16:31	ardissone:	depends on how the relnote situation is and if anyone finds anything
16:31	ardissone:	thanks to pink for sring the last bug yesterday :)
16:31	pinkerton:	:D
16:31	ardissone:	we've got some nice fixes for users
16:32	ardissone:	the end, i hope, of the spotlight metadata rework
16:32	ardissone:	saving passwords on forms where js does stuff
16:32	ardissone:	and smorgan's awesome fix for Flash and Silverlight logging the console to death on 10.6
16:32	smorgan:	(firmly-worded bug report submitted to LastPass)
16:33	ardissone:	ty :)
16:33	ardissone:	anything else on 2.0.6?
16:35	ardissone:	2.0.7's section looks a lot lighter after some of the fixes we took in .6
16:35	ardissone:	steven's got a first draft of the fix for the breakage caused by the new JEP
16:36	ardissone:	it needs a bit of a merge to apply on 1.9.0; not sure how much; i'll look later tonight and spin a build for our users to test
16:36	ardissone:	phiw tested in 1.9.2 and it fixed this for him
16:36	ardissone:	*things
16:37	ardissone:	so we'll have that, and it'll go in nightlies when it's ready, presumably
16:37	ardissone:	but that's basically all on 2.0.7 for now
16:38	ardissone:	on 2.1
16:38	ardissone:	it looks like Stuart has been making good progress on autocomplete :)
16:39	ardissone:	will we be ready for a1 after thanksgiving?
16:40	smorgan:	I expect so
16:40	ardissone:	:)
16:40	smorgan:	I may punt a few minor things if necessary
16:40	ardissone:	ok
16:41	smorgan:	It would be good if we could do something about focus before a1
16:41	ardissone:	cheers for a more-useable autocomplete
16:41	ardissone:	heh
16:41	ardissone:	yes
16:42	smorgan:	I can't remember what I fixed; maybe we could just revert for a1
16:42	ardissone:	take it out back behind the bikeshed and shoot it
16:42	ardissone:	loss of focus when opening a new tab, i think
16:42	ardissone:	?
16:43	smorgan:	Ah, right
16:43	ardissone:	yeah
16:43	smorgan:	Yeah, if nothing else I say we pull that back out for a1
16:43	ardissone:	is the regression worse than that?
16:44	smorgan:	Probably?
16:44	smorgan:	we'll evaluate when we get closer
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16:44	ardissone:	or is the fact that bug is constant better than the randomness of the regression
16:44	ardissone:	ok
16:44	smorgan:	Maybe we can find a better way of handling focus
16:44	ardissone:	i'll twiddle the flag on the regression
16:45	ardissone:	ok
16:45	ardissone:	otherwise, the big problem with development right now is that the r queue has been stuck for about a month
16:45	ardissone:	ilya, cl, hendy all have patches at them
16:46	ardissone:	(stuart, too, but he's commented on his status on his)
16:46	ardissone:	i've poked them all recently, but it's been a week or so now
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16:48	ardissone:	:)
16:48	ardissone:	er :P
16:49	ardissone:	better than both r and sr being stuck, but it is a problem :(
16:50	ardissone:	anything else on 2.1/a1?
16:51	smorgan:	Not from me
16:51	ardissone:	ok
16:52	ardissone:	i think we're now on-track for cbo server migration between 2.0.6 and the end of the month, when the current server is shut down
16:52	ardissone:	the last I had from ss sounds like he was making progress on the checklist
16:52	ardissone:	haven't heard if he's heard back from AppZapper
16:54	ardissone:	hendy mentioned on twitter the other night that he'd done a new build, so hopefully as he settles into the new job he'll be back on the review/patch train
16:54	ardissone:	:)
16:54	ardissone:	anyone have anything else today?
16:56	ardissone:	ok then
16:56	ardissone:	everyone please work on those 2.1/a1 bugs/reviews, and have a good week :)