View source for Status Meetings:2009-01-21:Agenda

Wed 21 Jan 9am PST (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0b1
** Released four weeks ago
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2ba1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121820&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b1 crashes] — 66 so far, adding ≈20/week)
*** #1 <!--(9)--> is {{bug|471948}} (crash on quit in nsAppShell, seen a couple times in 2.0a1; first frame in various libs/fmwks)
*** #2 <!--(7)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}}
*** #3 <!--(6)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related, 1P may have a fix; see {{bug|471681}})
*** #4 <!--(5)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|Cocoa.12.0.0}}
*** #4 <!--(5)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CoreFoundation.476.17.0}}
*** #4 <!--(5)--> Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})
<!--*** #7 (3) is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|IOKit.275.0.0}} (all #1)-->
*** Also, 4 stacks that are all OS frameworks with swizzling ({{TB|51979682}}, {{TB|51970202}}, {{TB|52185198}}, {{TB|52293795}} [new])
** {{bug|472196}} is another _NSAutoReleaseNoPool episode (10.4-only?), leaking MainController and Cocoa stuff; where do we go from here?
** {{bug|470159}} - crash/hang when adding (or not adding) a new bookmark; possibly key loop related? 
* Camino 1.6.6
** Released five weeks ago
** Couple of reports of software update failing on install and leaving unusable binary
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM166/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121219&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.6 crashes] — <!--854-->??? already<!--; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy-->)
*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers, and "all crashes" times out at 698<!--
*** #1 is Flash
*** #2 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|libSystem.B}}
*** #3 is Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})
*** #4 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related; see {{bug|471681}})
*** #5 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|CoreFoundation}}
*** #6 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|libObjC.A.dylib}}
*** 100s of random hex (many are plugins)-->
** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
** Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
* [[Releases:1.6.7:Links|Camino 1.6.7]]
** Officially Gecko is done, but more releases are possible
** We didn't declare 1.6.6 EOL (no stable release yet)
** One major bug in search plugins on 10.3 - {{bug|469236}}
** 1Password-related crash affects 1.6.x and 2.0nx - {{bug|471681}}
* Camino 2.0
** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
*** Need to retriage 2.0 list again soon
*** Anything with l10n impact should be nominated for b2 and add '''''l10n''''' to the whiteboard
*** Still a number of serious bugs in Widget:Cocoa needing Core investigation or fixes - {{bug|458205}}
*** Picking up new Gecko bugs and issues with Flashblock {{bug|474022}}, {{bug|474153}}
** Anti-phishing - can't get permission :(
** Keyboard loop - Fixed a dozen old bugs, spawned about half-dozen new ones; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
** Security exceptions - at least one follow-up needed for 2.0, but Core code is broken
** Tabsposé - need to decide on what must be fixed for 2.0 (focus loss on close, keyboard access?  WF the single-tab bug?)
** Tab dragging - scroll dragging, 10.4 bugs, pref patch?
** Icon work for 2.0 - philippe’s zoom icons ({{bug|450542}}); Sam promised updates months ago
** breakpad - smorgan writing the reporter client
** Gecko strings l10n - no .dtd solution yet; .properties landed (some don't work; see [[User:Sardisson/Localizing Gecko Strings]])
** Growl - waiting on sr (though needs l10n fix); framework integration (16+ MB of source)
** Fullscreen - 
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews (needs reviewer)
* Tinderboxen
** boxset - currently tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
*** had a 2+% Ts regression while it was down while Sam was in Thailand
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01?  Needs HD repair
** cb-x1 still reporting with truncated hostname; also, starting to die again {{bug|458217}}
** cb-minimaya running "1.6-M1.8" Ts (<!--4 hr clobber, -->65 min dep)
** cb-minibinus running "2.0-M1.9" Ts (<!--4 hr clobber, -->45 min dep)
** PPC minis need weekly reboots to keep running
** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Another very slow week coming back from holidays; r queue still high, sr queue climbing

==Specific bugs that need action==

=== 2.0b2pre ===
* See 2.0b2? list
* Still a number of regressions we'll be stuck with

=== 1.6.7 ===

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
** Tab bar
** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
*** We have a designer working on polishing; need updates from Sam
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
** Folders (UNCO) - {{bug|436012}}

* cl's buglist
**{{bug|175748}} - Need mechanism for creating new blank bookmarks
**{{bug|318931}} - History/Bookmarks title changes but URL doesn't (maybe fixed by patch on {{bug|438256}}?)
**{{bug|363664}} - When right clicking on folder "Bookmark Info" should read "Folder Info"

* xpfe cleanup
** see older Agendas if you're interested
<!--** {{bug|389140}} gets us using the right theme files; needs r=mento
** {{bug|428333}} license.html; needs r=mento
** stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP [http://hem.fyristorg.com/s_her/camino/camino-test.diff patch]<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"<br>[4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code  :P --> 

==Queries==

===Camino 2.0b2===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b2%3F  Blocking ?]  (10) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- --> <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b2%2B  Blocking +]  (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- --> <!--  subtract FIXED here-->
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b2- Blocking -]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!--   -->

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Camino&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=l10n&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b1%3F&field0-0-1=flagtypes.name&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=camino2.0b1%2B&field0-0-2=flagtypes.name&type0-0-2=equals&value0-0-2=camino2.0%3F&field0-0-3=flagtypes.name&type0-0-3=equals&value0-0-3=camino2.0%2B&field0-0-4=target_milestone&type0-0-4=equals&value0-0-4=Camino2.0 l10n]  (7) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0]  (24) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- -->
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F  Blocking ?]  (10) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B  Blocking +]  (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- (but [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&priority=P1&chfieldto=Now P1 bugs]—currently just tab dragging—are blocking) subtract FIXED here-->
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!--  -->
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target]  (698) {{greyText|['''+8''' since last week]}} '''need a “CLOSEME”/UNCO cleanup''' <!--  -->

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-01-14&chfieldto=2009-01-21&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting]  ('''0''') {{greyText|[-2 since last week]}} <!--('''1''' was 2.0-targeted, 1 was ad-blocking, 1 was Google icon)-->

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review]  (12) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} '''2 untargeted''' <!--  -->
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview]  (8) {{greyText|[+3 since last meeting]}} <!-- (oldest now waiting for two weeks) (only 7 are 1.5 bugs) -->