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12:08 <@froodian> well, let's start sans ss<br />
12:08 <@froodian> if people are cool with that<br />
12:09 <@froodian> everybody point camino at <br />
http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2006-11-08:Agenda<br />
12:09 * ardissone|away notes froodian makes a fine ss, too ;)<br />
12:10 <@froodian> hicks posted the graphical stuff we needed to Bug 355323<br />
12:10 <@froodian> so somebody should fix that<br />
12:10 <@froodian> it's blocking another pop-up followup<br />
12:11 < ardissone|away> did kreeger have a patch for gradient we could reuse?<br />
12:11 <@froodian> dunno. we should ask him if/when he joins<br />
12:11 < ardissone|away> (why is he not in this room?)<br />
12:12 -!- smorgan has joined #camino-mtg<br />
12:12 < ardissone|away> i think before we went glossy foo, he had a gradient patch<br />
12:12 -!- ardissone|away is now known as ardissone|food<br />
12:12 <@froodian> well, that definitely needs to get looked at. the pop-up blocker needs to <br />
start getting whipped into release shape<br />
12:13 < ardissone|food> yeah, there are a couple of patches waiting for pink to sr, iirc<br />
12:13 <@pinkerton> totally slammed this week, sorry<br />
12:13 <@pinkerton> i think the only big thing in my q is the keychain thing tho<br />
12:13 < murph> I'm just about ready with the text wrapping bug, which needs that gradient<br />
12:13 <@pinkerton> shouldn't be anything else<br />
12:14 <@froodian> pinkerton: yes, that's correct<br />
12:14 <@pinkerton> btw, i sorta like the black. *shrug*<br />
12:14 <@froodian> pinkerton: the problem w/ it is that we need something that can be more than <br />
one line<br />
12:14 <@pinkerton> ah<br />
12:14 <@froodian> i like it too though<br />
12:14 < ardissone|food> (among others, but that's the biggie)<br />
12:14 <@froodian> it's grown on me<br />
12:14 < smorgan> Presumably there could be a multi-part gradient that would look not unlike the <br />
current image<br />
12:15 < murph> a gradient is resolution independent as well..which is a nice bonus<br />
12:15 * ardissone|food is not ready to give up on the HIG quite yet ;)<br />
12:15 < ardissone|food> the buttons look funny on it, and focus ring issues<br />
12:15 * froodian doesn't quite understand which suggestion that comment relates to<br />
12:16 <@froodian> ah<br />
12:16 <@froodian> kreeger: did you ever have a patch for using a gradient on the pop-up blocker?<br />
12:17 <@kreeger> i wrote the patch to use the graphics that hick gave us<br />
12:17 <@kreeger> if that is what you mean<br />
12:17 <@ardissone|food> before that, didn't you have one for a gradient<br />
12:17 <@ardissone|food> (on that same bug)?<br />
12:17 <@kreeger> i dont think so<br />
12:18 <@ardissone|food> k<br />
12:18 <@froodian> well, somebody should do that. it seems right up murph's alley, personally ;)<br />
12:18 <@ardissone|food> maybe it's just the throbbing head<br />
12:18 <@kreeger> heh<br />
12:18 <@murph> yeah, I don't mind taking that job..<br />
12:18 <@kreeger> whats the decision there<br />
12:18 <@kreeger> ?<br />
12:18 <@kreeger> are we changing the color or something?<br />
12:18 <@froodian> well, it needs to be able to span more than one line<br />
12:19 <@froodian> and we should decide if we're changing the color or not<br />
12:19 <@froodian> (now, probably)<br />
12:19 <@ardissone|food> bug 355323 comment 2<br />
12:19 <@ardissone|food> we decided this at a previous meeting<br />
12:19 <@froodian> hey, what do you know<br />
12:20 <@ardissone|food> i don't remember which, but i was at that one<br />
12:20 <@froodian> ok, so let's have murph do it up with the blue (thanks murph) colors jon gave<br />
12:20 <@ardissone|food> make it so :)<br />
12:20 <@murph> yeah, sure thing froodian.<br />
12:20 <@froodian> next<br />
12:20 <@froodian> software update<br />
12:20 <@froodian> are we going to have it?<br />
12:20 <@kreeger> all you have to do is change the image<br />
12:20 <@froodian> if so, we need to hop on that<br />
12:21 <@froodian> kreeger: no, it has to be done programmatically, not with an image<br />
12:21 <@froodian> so that it can span multiple liines<br />
12:21 <@kreeger> it already does that<br />
12:21 <@kreeger> [mPopupBlockedBackgroundImage drawTiledInRect:aRect<br />
12:21 <@froodian> but then the gradient would repeat, wouldn't it?<br />
12:21 <@froodian> where we want it to stretch<br />
12:21 <@kreeger> oh<br />
12:21 <@kreeger> yeah that would be an easy<br />
12:22 <@kreeger> fix<br />
12:22 <@kreeger> one liner<br />
12:22 <@ardissone|food> also, when fixing that nib, we need to fixed the "blocked" text<br />
12:22 <@froodian> (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358686)<br />
12:22 <@ardissone|food> so whoever fixes that, see the deps list for the text bug<br />
12:22 <@ardissone|food> and make that change<br />
12:23 <@kreeger> murph: go for it ;-)<br />
12:23 <@smorgan> I don't think we should say window<br />
12:23 <@smorgan> It makes the text longer for no real benefit<br />
12:23 <@kreeger> its all in BrowserWrapper in drawRect: (~ line 1162)<br />
12:23 <@murph> kreeger: isn't CoreGraphics code the only way to draw a gradient.. without just <br />
stretching images?<br />
12:23 <@ardissone|food> (we do a gradient in the bm bar)<br />
12:24 <@kreeger> are you using the graphic hicks gave us?<br />
12:24 <@kreeger> if so, look that the code that draws the bookmark toolbar<br />
12:24 <@kreeger> it stretches the gradient<br />
12:24 <@ardissone|food> we're not using a graphic, just 2 values<br />
12:25 <@ardissone|food> just like the bm bar on 10.4 ;)<br />
12:25 <@kreeger> oh<br />
12:25 <@kreeger> ok then look at the toolbar then ;-)<br />
12:25 <@kreeger> or you can do...<br />
12:26 <@ardissone|food> smorgan: that's fine, i think<br />
12:26 <@froodian> yeah, i'm willing to lose "window"<br />
12:27 <@froodian> so, next item? Software update?<br />
12:27 <@murph> yeah, I will check out the bm toolbar before starting anything on this one.<br />
12:27 <@kreeger> something like this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1254<br />
12:27 <@smorgan> Lets not do the entire implementation during the meeting please<br />
12:28 <@kreeger> even thought it is very ugly<br />
12:28 <@ardissone|food> i think we need a committment from someone to do it, or we kick it to <br />
1.2 now<br />
12:28 <@froodian> i agree<br />
12:28 <@froodian> i'd really like it<br />
12:28 <@kreeger> i don't have the time or i would do it<br />
12:28 <@froodian> (but am not willing to commit to do it)<br />
12:28 <@ardissone|food> personally, i'd rather see session saving and zoom and kqueue etc than <br />
that<br />
12:28 <@froodian> yeah, i spoze<br />
12:28 <@froodian> i'm just sick of hearing about sparkle<br />
12:28 <@ardissone|food> and a release before next may :P<br />
12:29 <@ardissone|food> !clone developers<br />
12:29 <@froodian> ok, anybody oppose kicking it to 1.2?<br />
12:29 <@delliott> !clone people who can do my dissertation<br />
12:29 -!- kreeger is now known as kreeger-away<br />
12:29 <@ardissone|food> !clone delliott<br />
12:30 <@delliott> That would be awesome.<br />
12:30 <@froodian> ok, software update is kicked.<br />
12:30 <@froodian> next: tinderboxen<br />
12:30 <@ardissone|food> done<br />
12:30 <@froodian> we moved to 10.3 SDK on trunk<br />
12:30 <@froodian> mostly<br />
12:30 <@froodian> it needs to get fixed so that it's 10.3.9 on PPC<br />
12:30 <@froodian> and not 10.3.0<br />
12:30 <@ardissone|food> :(<br />
12:31 <@froodian> and then it needs to land on branch<br />
12:31 * ardissone|food grrs at xcode<br />
12:31 <@ardissone|food> all seems well, except some new warnings<br />
12:31 <@froodian> mhm<br />
12:31 <@ardissone|food> none of them seem too evil<br />
12:32 <@ardissone|food> should we file bugs on them?<br />
12:32 <@pinkerton> switching sdks can have functionality differences<br />
12:32 <@pinkerton> are we sure we want to do that this late?<br />
12:32 * delliott -> Mosque for dinner<br />
12:32 <@ardissone|food> it's been a real pita bug-wise<br />
12:33 * froodian pings mento, so he knows we're discussing this<br />
12:33 <@ardissone|food> and we're just post alpha 1<br />
12:33 <@ardissone|food> but IANAD ;)<br />
12:35 <@ardissone|food> also having one on trunk and another on branch means extra branch <br />
testing before checkins<br />
12:35 * smorgan hides<br />
12:35 <@froodian> heh<br />
12:36 <@froodian> well, if we don't want it, we should decide that right now before it's (more <br />
of a) royal pain in the ass<br />
12:37 -!- delliott has quit [Quit: delliott]<br />
12:37 <@ardissone|food> smorgan: sorry about that; i would have warned you had i had an internet <br />
connection :(<br />
12:38 <@smorgan> Do SDK changes really change behavior? I thought host OS was actually the <br />
trigger for that kind of thing<br />
12:38 <@ardissone|food> there were some small changes we had to account for with 10.4u, iirc<br />
12:38 <@smorgan> (host OS meaning OS it's compiled on)<br />
12:38 <@ardissone|food> mento or krmathis would remember<br />
12:41 <@smorgan> pinkerton, mento: I think one of both of you needs to just call this one, since <br />
I don't think the rest of us know what kinds of things we may end up dealing <br />
with as a result.<br />
12:41 <@pinkerton> the SDK you link against affects behavior<br />
12:41 <@pinkerton> the os uses it to give different beahvior for backwards compatibility to old <br />
apps as they make changes<br />
12:42 <@pinkerton> it's just that we haven't shipped anything against the 10.3 sdk, while we <br />
have with 10.2 and 10.4<br />
12:43 <@ardissone|food> to play devil, we never shipped against 10.4 until 1.0RC<br />
12:44 <@pinkerton> heh<br />
12:44 <@smorgan> Can we set the deployment target to 10.3 with the 10.4 SDK?<br />
12:44 <@ardissone|food> 10.3.9 only<br />
12:45 <@ardissone|food> aiui<br />
12:45 * ardissone|food shuts up<br />
12:45 <@pinkerton> we should keep an eye out for things if we do. just raising the issue<br />
12:45 <@pinkerton> if everyone will watch out, let's make the change<br />
12:46 <@smorgan> Sounds good to me<br />
12:46 <@ardissone|food> we're getting some good watching currently<br />
12:46 <@ardissone|food> a1 has found some hiddne regerssions :)<br />
12:46 <@smorgan> I think pinkerton just promised to upgrade to a nightly built with the 10.3 SDK <br />
;)<br />
12:47 <@froodian> cool<br />
12:47 <@froodian> next?<br />
12:47 <@ardissone|food> queues :P<br />
12:47 <@froodian> Q update: Both queues are pretty swamped right now, and it's hurting dev <br />
speed. I know everybody's doing what they can, we just have to make sure it <br />
doesn't last indefinately. You know who you are. ;)<br />
12:48 <@ardissone|food> we need to see if we can get josh to do a few, too<br />
12:48 <@ardissone|food> but if we want to use smorgan as sr, we also need a few more folks doing <br />
r :)<br />
12:49 !sand.mozilla.org froodian invited thebot into the channel.<br />
12:49 -!- thebot has joined #camino-mtg<br />
12:49 <@froodian> another issue is bug 155956<br />
12:49 < thebot> froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155956 nor, --, <br />
Camino1.1, torben@Spamfence.net, NEW, Zoom command is "maximizing to fill <br />
screen" instead of to fit contents<br />
12:49 <@froodian> smfr doesn't seem to be inclined to sr it<br />
12:49 <@froodian> either somebody should convince him to, or we need to retarget<br />
12:49 <@pinkerton> heh<br />
12:49 <@smorgan> People shouldn't target smfr with things<br />
12:49 <@smorgan> I asked him about it<br />
12:49 * froodian weeps mightily<br />
12:50 <@froodian> ok<br />
12:50 <@ardissone|food> i'll add that to the wiki<br />
12:50 <@smorgan> He said he'll jump in sometime as he feels like it, but if he doesn't want to <br />
do it it's likely to rot<br />
12:50 <@smorgan> (doesn't want to == doesn't have time, basically)<br />
12:51 <@ardissone|food> the only thing he's done reliably is ad-blocking, since pink made him <br />
own it ;)<br />
12:51 <@froodian> pinkerton: looks like you have 2 big patches in your sr q now :p<br />
12:51 <@pinkerton> ok<br />
12:51 <@smorgan> He seems to be at the level where he can offer suggestions and pointers, but <br />
can't commit to the overhead of actually testing patches thoroughly<br />
12:51 -!- kreeger-away is now known as kreeger<br />
12:52 <@froodian> anybody have anything else before we adjourn?<br />
12:52 <@smorgan> Sorry to everyone who vouched for me? :P<br />
12:52 <@ardissone|food> fix thorny 1.1 bugs ;)<br />
12:52 <@froodian> smorgan: had to happen sooner or later<br />
12:53 <@smorgan> I'm nothing if not efficient<br />
12:53 <@froodian> heh<br />
12:53 <@ardissone|food> you're not a real contributor until you make the tree red :)<br />
12:53 <@froodian> ok, thanks for coming everybody. See you all next week. Fix bugs, review <br />
bugs, land bugs.<br />
12:53 <@smorgan> I'd rather people land patches than bugs<br />
12:53 * ardissone|food has made maya red without even having cvs privs ;)<br />
12:53 <@froodian> heh<br />
12:53 <@ardissone|food> hehe<br />
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