http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Status_Meetings%3A2007-02-14%3ALogStatus Meetings:2007-02-14:Log - Revision history2026-05-08T16:22:24ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.34.4http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/index.php?title=Status_Meetings:2007-02-14:Log&diff=7326&oldid=prevSardisson: put in some c-crap log until sam posts his :p2007-02-17T04:14:47Z<p>put in some c-crap log until sam posts his :p</p>
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[12:00pm] ardissone|away: heh<br />
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[12:01pm] murph: hey guys<br />
[12:01pm] ardissone|away: smorgan still stuck in traffic?<br />
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[12:08pm] froodian|snowday: ok, let's start, and hope he catches up soon <br />
[12:09pm] froodian|snowday: 1.1b1<br />
[12:09pm] froodian|snowday: We planned the freeze tomorrow, but there's still a lot of stuff (although we've been very productive)<br />
[12:09pm] froodian|snowday: So we have a choice<br />
[12:09pm] ss: How much if it is l10n stuff?<br />
[12:09pm] ardissone|food: please do open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2007-02-14:Agenda in your Caminos<br />
[12:10pm] froodian|snowday: all<br />
[12:10pm] ss: Oh, right. <br />
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: they're also all parts of fixing big whole in major features<br />
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: that we want "finished" for good testing<br />
[12:11pm] froodian|snowday: Either we release now, but let l10n slip (to another, less milestony build), or we let the date slip and have 1.1b1 be all it was intended to be<br />
[12:11pm] ardissone|food: smorgan seemed amenable to slipping a few days to get these bugs in when we talked last night, as am i<br />
[12:11pm] mento: jeezaloo, i just emptied my sr q yesterday afternoon, and look at what you clowns did to it already!<br />
[12:12pm] ss: mento: Think of how pink feels!<br />
[12:12pm] kreeger: heh<br />
[12:12pm] mento: ha<br />
[12:12pm] mento: guess i know what i'm doing later<br />
[12:12pm] ss: I didn't realize I had a review waiting on me. I'll get right on that.<br />
[12:12pm] ardissone|food: sucks to be the big cheese <br />
[12:12pm] mento: heh<br />
[12:12pm] froodian|snowday: mento: in addition to the reviews targeted to you<br />
[12:12pm] froodian|snowday: there's also flashblock<br />
[12:12pm] ardissone|food: ss: you have 3, but only 1 critical; i've been bugging you for 2 weeks <br />
[12:13pm] froodian|snowday: which is fully ready now<br />
[12:13pm] mento: right, i'm aware of flashblock<br />
[12:13pm] froodian|snowday: ok<br />
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: it blocks another bug<br />
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: which in turn blocks most of the remianing popup blocking fizes<br />
[12:13pm] ss: ardissone|food: Yeah, only one is priority. <br />
[12:13pm] mento: er, cuz of the nib<br />
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: mhm<br />
[12:13pm] mento: ok<br />
[12:14pm] kreeger: which one is the priority?<br />
[12:14pm] ardissone|food: so i'd say flashblock then kqueue<br />
[12:14pm] ss: I would too.<br />
[12:14pm] mento: agree<br />
[12:14pm] ss: Simply because flashblock is l10n.<br />
[12:14pm] ardissone|food: then the rest of smorgan's fixes<br />
[12:15pm] murph: I'd be glad to r smorgan's "unblock popup" exceptions list bug<br />
[12:15pm] froodian|snowday: excellent<br />
[12:16pm] froodian|snowday: <bill>Excellent!</bill><br />
[12:16pm] ardissone|food: so, are we all OK with slipping to, say, next Weds, for the freeze?<br />
[12:16pm] mento: my inclination is to try for everything that's got string or nib implications<br />
[12:16pm] ardissone|food: which is everything in that first sub-head<br />
[12:16pm] ardissone|food: er, sub-list<br />
[12:17pm] kreeger: fine by me<br />
[12:17pm] ss: We could always have an RC later, fwiw.<br />
[12:17pm] ss: But I'm okay with slipping.<br />
[12:17pm] mento: mhm<br />
[12:17pm] murph: yeah, sounds good here<br />
[12:17pm] froodian|snowday: nods too<br />
[12:17pm] froodian|snowday: sound like a consensus, folks<br />
[12:17pm] ardissone|food: ok, so new freeze is 21 Feb<br />
[12:17pm] froodian|snowday: s/sound/sounds<br />
[12:18pm] ardissone|food: (no valentine from camino this year)<br />
[12:18pm] ss: Heh<br />
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[12:18pm] froodian|snowday: Speaking of which, it's been a year since 1.0. Crazy, huh?<br />
[12:18pm] kreeger: heh<br />
[12:18pm] smorgan: Sorry I'm late <br />
[12:18pm] ardissone|food: i had a much better sleep last night than a year ago<br />
[12:18pm] murph: hehe, true, but the release notes will be much more impressive with most of this sub-list implemented<br />
[12:18pm] ss: I actually got to sleep last night. <br />
[12:18pm] froodian|snowday: smorgan: [12:18pm] <ardissone|food> ok, so new freeze is 21 Feb<br />
[12:18pm] ardissone|food: right<br />
[12:19pm] smorgan: Coo<br />
[12:19pm] mento: ha, that's right - no valentine, and barely even a president's day gift<br />
[12:19pm] ardissone|food: we can do a nice ash wednesday camino<br />
[12:19pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by mento.<br />
[12:19pm] ss: And a Easter 1.0? <br />
[12:19pm] ss: Err... 1.1<br />
[12:20pm] froodian|snowday: Alright, so given that we're slipping, I don't think we need to discuss these all individually<br />
[12:20pm] ardissone|food: hopefully a bit before that, but yeah<br />
[12:20pm] froodian|snowday: most of them are in a good place<br />
[12:20pm] ardissone|food: mhm<br />
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: good job everyone!<br />
[12:21pm] smorgan: we all rock<br />
[12:21pm] froodian|snowday: So. We can come back to the specific bugs we want to discuss<br />
[12:21pm] froodian|snowday: let's move on<br />
[12:21pm] froodian|snowday: Pawn is... different<br />
[12:21pm] froodian|snowday: So that's fun <br />
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: mento has the magic<br />
[12:21pm] mento: ts is periodically timing out<br />
[12:21pm] froodian|snowday: Bookmark loss has not averaged 2/week<br />
[12:22pm] froodian|snowday: it comes and goes<br />
[12:22pm] mento: i can bump the timeout up from 25 to 30s<br />
[12:22pm] froodian|snowday: As many as 3/week or as few as 1/month<br />
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: still more green than orange yesterday <br />
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: that makes me feel better, then<br />
[12:23pm] froodian|snowday: It's still "way more than we want" though<br />
[12:23pm] froodian|snowday: so the faster we push out 1.1, the better <br />
[12:23pm] ardissone|food: another reason to get people off of 10x<br />
[12:23pm] mento: speaking of 10x<br />
[12:24pm] mento: what's your argument for the keychain patch?<br />
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: we need so ship other security fixes<br />
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: and need to give l10n time to get the new nib translated<br />
[12:25pm] ss: Why delay it? Or why have it at all?<br />
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: so sam, pink, and i decided to push it to 105<br />
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: also, it has deps<br />
[12:26pm] mento: out for 104 and i'll mark it ? for 105<br />
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: and we need smorgan working on 1.1b1 stuff<br />
[12:26pm] ss: Right<br />
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: yes<br />
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: i have some other flag-twiddling to do there, too<br />
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: and then wiki->rtf the relnotes<br />
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: gecko's set for 21 Feb, but i don't think we can match them exactly, given b1<br />
[12:28pm] froodian|snowday: queues are slammed, but just 'cause we keep slamming them<br />
[12:28pm] mento: that's tight.<br />
[12:28pm] froodian|snowday: Anybody have anything else before we move to specific bugs?<br />
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[12:29pm] mento: gentlemen, lunch is calling - if you need my input, make my computer beep sometime after lunch.<br />
[12:29pm] kreeger: if someone needs a review, feel free to target me<br />
[12:29pm] kreeger: i've got to run as well<br />
[12:29pm] ardissone|food: mento: thanks <br />
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[12:30pm] froodian|snowday: ok, Bug 368395<br />
[12:30pm] thebot: froodian|snowday: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368395 enh, --, Camino2.0, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, Encourage the user not to restore after crash if the dialog has been thrown recently<br />
[12:30pm] froodian|snowday: if we're going to fix it before 1.1, we'll need to land strings<br />
[12:30pm] froodian|snowday: So we should decide if we want to<br />
[12:32pm] froodian|snowday: Personally, I say yes<br />
[12:32pm] ardissone|food: smorgan seemed inclined yesterday not to do it unless we saw the need, iirc<br />
[12:32pm] ss: Yeah, I think I would too. Or at least yes to landing the strings.<br />
[12:32pm] froodian|snowday: Unfortunately, we can't know if there's the need until we need to have decided <br />
[12:33pm] froodian|snowday: worse comes to worse, we could just have an unused string for a release<br />
[12:33pm] froodian|snowday: but if we say no now, we're locked into that<br />
[12:33pm] ss: I'd feel comfortable with that.<br />
[12:33pm] ss: Because we could always use the string later.<br />
[12:33pm] ss: In a 1.1.1 or something<br />
[12:34pm] ardissone|food: i'd prefer we land some strings, but it'll be some work to get good ones <br />
[12:34pm] ss: smorgan: You have any thoughts now?<br />
[12:34pm] froodian|snowday: smorgan: murph also said he was willing to r that<br />
[12:34pm] smorgan: I don't really care if it's there<br />
[12:34pm] smorgan: I just don't think it's necessarily worth the effort<br />
[12:34pm] murph: yeah, I'll make time for that today<br />
[12:34pm] smorgan: But if others want to do it, that's fine<br />
[12:35pm] froodian|snowday: OK, sounds like "yes" to strings<br />
[12:35pm] froodian|snowday: Might as well leave our options open<br />
[12:36pm] ardissone|food: k<br />
[12:36pm] murph: yeah, if you guys have time to craft something up, might as well<br />
[12:36pm] froodian|snowday: Bug 364550 <br />
[12:36pm] thebot: froodian|snowday: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364550 nor, --, Camino1.1, camino@seanmurph.com, NEW, Need spelling UI to allow selection/changing spell check language<br />
[12:36pm] froodian|snowday: ardissone|food?<br />
[12:36pm] ardissone|food: so, can we get a summary of where this bug is, and if we can land strings for it in case?<br />
[12:37pm] ardissone|food: i.e., what strings would we need, and what does Apple give us<br />
[12:37pm] murph: alright, here's the deal with that one…<br />
[12:38pm] murph: allowing access to and supporting the standard NSSpellChecker panel is my preferable approach<br />
[12:38pm] murph: the panel's "Find Next" behavior requires us to iterate over all the misspelled words in the focused editor<br />
[12:39pm] murph: and the Core support for doing so is currently inconsistent and somewhat buggy<br />
[12:39pm] smorgan: murph: do you have a reasonable workaround?<br />
[12:39pm] murph: I can work around the bugs, yes<br />
[12:39pm] murph: not too hack-ish either, just comparing the returned string with the active selection<br />
[12:40pm] ss: Working around the bugs is probably going to be what we have to do.<br />
[12:40pm] ss: Getting in a core change on the branch isn't a likely scenario.<br />
[12:41pm] ardissone|food: especially in unowned code<br />
[12:41pm] smorgan: If there's a reasonable workaround, go forward with that, and we'll push for fixes on trunk<br />
[12:41pm] smorgan: I didn't realize that that code was semi-orphaned<br />
[12:41pm] murph: ok, will do<br />
[12:41pm] ardissone|food: editor is not so hot, no<br />
[12:42pm] ss: smfr might be able to push through some changes<br />
[12:42pm] ss: But it'd be kind of unlikely, I think.<br />
[12:42pm] ardissone|food: esp since Fx uses that code<br />
[12:42pm] ardissone|food: anyway<br />
[12:42pm] froodian|snowday: ok<br />
[12:43pm] froodian|snowday: I think that's a wrap<br />
[12:43pm] froodian|snowday: anybody have anything else for this meeting?<br />
[12:43pm] ss: That's it for me. I'll do my reviews. <br />
[12:43pm] froodian|snowday: Good meeting folks, 1.1b1 is almost there <br />
[12:43pm] froodian|snowday: fix, fix, fix!<br />
[12:43pm] froodian|snowday was kicked from the chat room by froodian|snowday. (kick, kick, kick!)<br />
[12:43pm] ardissone|food: go have some fun v-day and then fix bugs<br />
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[12:44pm] froodian|snowday: oh<br />
[12:44pm] murph: alrighty, take care everyone</pre></div>Sardisson