http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Status_Meetings%3A2007-05-09%3ALog Status Meetings:2007-05-09:Log - Revision history 2026-05-08T18:12:44Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.34.4 http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/index.php?title=Status_Meetings:2007-05-09:Log&diff=7761&oldid=prev Sardisson: log 2007-05-09T17:10:33Z <p>log</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>&lt;pre&gt;Topic changed to &quot;http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2007-05-09:Agenda&quot; by froodian|away.<br /> [11:28am] froodian|away: <br /> [11:52am] jeff joined the chat room.<br /> [11:53am] jeff was promoted to operator by froodian|away.<br /> [11:57am] cl joined the chat room.<br /> [12:01pm] pinkerton joined the chat room.<br /> [12:01pm] pinkerton was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [12:01pm] peeja joined the chat room.<br /> [12:02pm] Wevah joined the chat room.<br /> [12:02pm] cl was promoted to operator by froodian|away.<br /> [12:02pm] peeja was promoted to operator by froodian|away.<br /> [12:02pm] Wevah was promoted to operator by froodian|away.<br /> [12:02pm] Wevah: warning: i&#039;m not really awake<br /> [12:02pm] mento joined the chat room.<br /> [12:02pm] mento was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [12:02pm] ardissone|away: boy, i must have been really tired last ngight<br /> [12:02pm] murph-away joined the chat room.<br /> [12:02pm] murph-away was promoted to operator by froodian|away.<br /> [12:02pm] cl: may only be here for half of this meeting<br /> [12:03pm] cl: depending on how long it goes<br /> [12:03pm] mento: everyone open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2007-05-09:Agenda in your camino 1.5rc<br /> [12:03pm] ardissone|away: pretty full house<br /> [12:04pm] mento: <br /> [12:04pm] ardissone|away: just traffic-boy and kreeger <br /> [12:04pm] froodian|away: mento: you wanna do this? <br /> [12:04pm] froodian|away: &#039;cause ss doesn&#039;t seem to be around...<br /> [12:04pm] froodian|away: and i&#039;d be happy not to... <br /> [12:04pm] mento: froodian|away: i&#039;m gonna need to leave in 15 minutes<br /> [12:04pm] mento: but i can get us started<br /> [12:04pm] You are now known as ardissone|food.<br /> [12:05pm] mento: so we&#039;ve got some candy already built, and i just scheduled a respin for rc2 tracking gecko 1.8.1.4rc2<br /> [12:05pm] ardissone|food: sorry about the relbrnach thing, btw; i completely misunderstood its purpose<br /> [12:05pm] mento: ardissone|food: i don&#039;t blame you<br /> [12:05pm] mento: more work for me this time around and the process may change if the build team gets over itself<br /> [12:06pm] ardissone|food: sorry just the same<br /> [12:06pm] mento: no biggie<br /> [12:06pm] mento: the talkback product string has changed from Camino11 to Camino15, someone might want to let jay know<br /> [12:06pm] pinkerton: 1.8.1.4rc2!!??!<br /> [12:06pm] pinkerton: ss: can you let jay know?<br /> [12:06pm] ardissone|food: oh, so we have no TB?<br /> [12:06pm] ardissone|food: hasn&#039;t even checked <br /> [12:06pm] mento: they won&#039;t show up in digested reports<br /> [12:07pm] mento: but the reports should be flowing in and should be queryable<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone|food: k<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone|food: i&#039;ll query by buildid then<br /> [12:07pm] mento: good. anyone have any updates on the site updates?<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone|food: some progress<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone|food: i&#039;m not sure beyond that<br /> [12:07pm] mento: beta.cb.o?<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone|food: ?<br /> [12:08pm] mento: is that where they&#039;re being staged?<br /> [12:08pm] ardissone|food: no<br /> [12:08pm] ardissone|food: sam&#039;s computer<br /> [12:08pm] mento: oh, that&#039;s nice<br /> [12:08pm] mento: i&#039;m sure sam will let us know when we have something pretty to look at<br /> [12:08pm] ardissone|food: /support/ is on my HD, at least the text<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone|food: the part that&#039;s done<br /> [12:09pm] mento: extols the virtues of revision control<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone|food: heh<br /> [12:09pm] mento: what can i do to help 1.0.5 along?<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone|food: he won&#039;t give me cvs access <br /> [12:09pm] ardissone|food: what do we need to do re:minibranching?<br /> [12:10pm] mento: oh, you want to break the order of the agenda?<br /> [12:10pm] smorgan joined the chat room.<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone|food: we have stuff that can land now<br /> [12:10pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by froodian|away.<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone|food: no, 1.0.5 minibranching<br /> [12:10pm] mento: today or tomorrow, i&#039;ll fork a minibranch for 1_6 and make client.mk changes<br /> [12:10pm] mento: oh, ok, NOT skipping the agenda, then<br /> [12:10pm] mento: where&#039;s the list of current landables?<br /> [12:10pm] mento: anything aside from the usual 1.8.0 stuff?<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone|food: yes<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone|food: we have a few noms<br /> [12:11pm] ardissone|food: Releases:1.0.5:Links<br /> [12:11pm] ardissone|food: 4 are &quot;ready&quot; to land<br /> [12:11pm] ardissone|food: 2 need patches or reivew<br /> [12:12pm] ardissone|food: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Releases:1.0.5:Links<br /> [12:12pm] mento: 379438 was a lot of stuff and is scary. smorgan, how&#039;s that going?<br /> [12:12pm] smorgan: I&#039;ll take a look tonight; I haven&#039;t dug into it again recently<br /> [12:12pm] mento: and it would be nice to get smfr&#039;s take on 175651 if we can<br /> [12:12pm] smorgan: I have an untested patch<br /> [12:13pm] mento: ok, so should we set a target date for our 1.0.5 rc?<br /> [12:13pm] ardissone|food: next wed?<br /> [12:13pm] ardissone|food: i dunno if that&#039;s reasonable<br /> [12:14pm] mento: more reasonable than monday, which is what i was going to suggest<br /> [12:14pm] ardissone|food: it depends on smorgan (since he&#039;s 1 patch + 1 review) + branching + chickens, I guess<br /> [12:15pm] ardissone|food: or not branching<br /> [12:15pm] ardissone|food: however we have to do it to get the code on 1.8.0 and in our release<br /> [12:15pm] mento: right, let&#039;s just work on 1_8_0 in mozilla/camino and i&#039;ll take care of the ugly branch and tag madness<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone|food: sounds like a plan<br /> [12:16pm] mento: do we have a relnote wiki for 1.0.5 yet?<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone|food: partially<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone|food: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Releases:1.0.5:Notes<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone|food: the picasa stuff that landed is already on there<br /> [12:17pm] ardissone|food: i&#039;ll add the rest as it lands, reusing the 1.1b+ notes if possible<br /> [12:18pm] mento: ok, great.<br /> [12:18pm] mento: 1.0.5 will most likely lag 1.5, even if only for l10n<br /> [12:18pm] mento: does that sound fair?<br /> [12:19pm] ardissone|food: mhm<br /> [12:19pm] mento: great. anyone else have anything for 1.0.5?<br /> [12:19pm] mento: going once, going twice<br /> [12:20pm] pinkerton: nope<br /> [12:20pm] mento: &#039;k. the 1.5.x/1.6 split will happen today or tomorrow. we&#039;ll fork a branch in mozilla/camino (and client.mk) for 1.6 work, CAMINO_1_6_BRANCH<br /> [12:20pm] ardissone|food: why not fork 1.5.x off?<br /> [12:21pm] ardissone|food: just curious, since that seemed to be what we were leaning towards<br /> [12:21pm] mento: yeah, that&#039;s what i meant<br /> [12:21pm] mento: the branch will be for 1.5.x work<br /> [12:21pm] mento: thanks<br /> [12:21pm] ardissone|food:<br /> [12:22pm] pinkerton: heh<br /> [12:22pm] mento: since that&#039;s what we were leaning towards <br /> [12:22pm] mento: 1.5.x will go into security/stability mode. will 1.6 continue to track the trunk in mozilla/camino?<br /> [12:22pm] ardissone|food: 18branch?<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone|food: 1.8[.1] branch<br /> [12:23pm] froodian|away: 1.8branch<br /> [12:23pm] mento: or are we going to start taking more heinous 2.0-targeted changes on the trunk and be a little more conservative for 1.6, so we can maybe get 1.6 out in less than a year?<br /> [12:23pm] mento: 1.6 = 1.8[.1] branch<br /> [12:23pm] froodian|away: yeah<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone|food: oh, i misunderstood your question<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone|food: well<br /> [12:23pm] pinkerton: 1.6 should be more conservative, not tracking trunk<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone|food: we still fix trunk-only things on trunk<br /> [12:23pm] smorgan: I suspect we won&#039;t be doing much heinous trunk work concurrently with 1.6 development<br /> [12:23pm] mento: i agree. do we have specific features in mind that are 2.0-only at this point?<br /> [12:24pm] froodian|away: not that&#039;ll get written any time in the near future<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone|food: i&#039;m sure someone does, but that&#039;s what jun 18 or whatever is for <br /> [12:24pm] mento: ok, so 1.6 is theoretically more conservative<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone|food: tab scrolling and dragging, minor polish, ...?<br /> [12:25pm] smorgan: updating<br /> [12:25pm] smorgan: hopefully<br /> [12:25pm] ardissone|food: right, update<br /> [12:25pm] mento: and (summer of code segue!) things like tabosé are 2.0-targeted<br /> [12:25pm] ardissone|food: tabs and update are the 2 biggies i&#039;ve been hearing<br /> [12:26pm] mento: will we be reusing mozilla&#039;s updater?<br /> [12:26pm] cl: that&#039;s the plan<br /> [12:26pm] cl: or, that *was* the plan last time we talked about it<br /> [12:26pm] mento: anyone want to own that yet?<br /> [12:26pm] smorgan: I probably will<br /> [12:26pm] mento: nice<br /> [12:26pm] ardissone|food: smorgan and froodian are fighting over it <br /> [12:26pm] cl: wasn&#039;t kreeger talking about it at some point?<br /> [12:26pm] ardissone|food: kreeger is SoC for tb<br /> [12:26pm] mento: cl: think that was a while ago<br /> [12:26pm] froodian|away: smorgan can have it if he wants <br /> [12:27pm] froodian|away: but yes, i&#039;d look at it if he wasn&#039;t<br /> [12:27pm] smorgan: should we be doing breakpad for 1.6 or 2.0?<br /> [12:27pm] mento: hopefully 1.6<br /> [12:27pm] cl: breakpad?<br /> [12:27pm] mento: let&#039;s add it to the list<br /> [12:27pm] mento: and give it to me<br /> [12:27pm] ardissone|food: k<br /> [12:27pm] smorgan: mento: sweet<br /> [12:27pm] ardissone|food: we need a real list <br /> [12:27pm] cl: What&#039;s breakpad?<br /> [12:27pm] smorgan: mento: do you want me to write a reporter UI?<br /> [12:27pm] pinkerton: chuckles<br /> [12:27pm] froodian|away: cl: talkback replacement. it&#039;s where mento was for the past 6 months <br /> [12:28pm] mento: we might need to live on mofo test infrastructure<br /> [12:28pm] cl: I thought that was called airbag. <br /> [12:28pm] mento: yo.<br /> [12:28pm] pinkerton: it was<br /> [12:28pm] ardissone|food: a long, long time agoooo...<br /> [12:28pm] cl: lovely.<br /> [12:28pm] mento: crashpad<br /> [12:28pm] pinkerton: resists using other names<br /> [12:28pm] mento: smorgan: can ya? something simple and sweet?<br /> [12:29pm] cl: points out that &quot;brakes&quot; and &quot;breaks&quot; are two different things, and then ducks and covers<br /> [12:29pm] smorgan: mento: I&#039;m thinking we don&#039;t want to use the ghetto &quot;it&#039;s like a Mac app, but not really&quot; version that Moz is using<br /> [12:29pm] smorgan: Yeah, should be easy<br /> [12:29pm] ardissone|food: and adhering to the UI guidelines <br /> [12:29pm] smorgan: cl: It&#039;s humor<br /> [12:29pm] smorgan: (in quotes)<br /> [12:29pm] ardissone|food: humour, even<br /> [12:29pm] mento: smorgan: you must be referring to things like not using .strings files for l10n <br /> [12:29pm] smorgan: What ever gave you that idea <br /> [12:29pm] mento: heh<br /> [12:30pm] mento: would be nice to develop the reporter into the reference implementation for real mac projects<br /> [12:30pm] mento: ok, summer of code<br /> [12:30pm] ardissone|food:<br /> [12:30pm] smorgan: (can someone file bugs for Camino breakpad, just so it&#039;s in the system?)<br /> [12:30pm] peeja: mento: so much for your segue... <br /> [12:30pm] mento: has our summeree been to #camino yet?<br /> [12:30pm] ardissone|food: i will<br /> [12:30pm] mento: peeja: i&#039;m trying here<br /> [12:30pm] ardissone|food: was thinking that this am<br /> [12:31pm] pinkerton: he sent me email a week or so ago, but i haven&#039;t replied yet<br /> [12:31pm] ardissone|food: um<br /> [12:31pm] jeff: Im here<br /> [12:31pm] ardissone|food: ^^^<br /> [12:31pm] froodian|away: our summeree is jeff <br /> [12:31pm] pinkerton: ta-da<br /> [12:31pm] mento: there you go<br /> [12:31pm] cl: hi jeff<br /> [12:31pm] mento: hi jeff, welcome<br /> [12:31pm] ardissone|food: he&#039;s been in #camino since the announcement<br /> [12:31pm] jeff: waves<br /> [12:31pm] pinkerton: guesses he should probably reply now<br /> [12:31pm] froodian|away: swears he did this two weeks ago <br /> [12:31pm] cl:<br /> [12:31pm] ardissone|food: mhm<br /> [12:31pm] cl: froodian|away: you did.<br /> [12:31pm] mento: pinkerton: caught red-handed<br /> [12:31pm] cl: I was here, and I remember <br /> [12:31pm] mento: yeah, i was eating lunch two weeks ago<br /> [12:32pm] cl: you haven&#039;t eaten lunch in two weeks?<br /> [12:32pm] froodian|away: anyway, sorry to derail that train...<br /> [12:32pm] mento: speaking of that, i need to pass the torch to someone else - i&#039;m really hungry, having not eaten in two weeks<br /> [12:32pm] froodian|away: k<br /> [12:32pm] froodian|away: we need to meet at some point<br /> [12:32pm] mento: froodian|away: all yours, buddy<br /> [12:32pm] froodian|away: to scope out the project<br /> [12:32pm] froodian|away: ty mento <br /> [12:32pm] ardissone|food: enjoy food!<br /> [12:32pm] mento: /nick mento`food<br /> [12:32pm] froodian|away: like last year&#039;s, but without random devs from other projects<br /> [12:33pm] froodian|away: (just to keep it from being too chaotic)<br /> [12:33pm] pinkerton: when does it officially start? end of may?<br /> [12:33pm] froodian|away: may 28<br /> [12:33pm] pinkerton: that&#039;s what i thought<br /> [12:33pm] pinkerton: so we&#039;ve got some time<br /> [12:33pm] froodian|away: yeah<br /> [12:33pm] pinkerton: jeff: you going to wwdc?<br /> [12:33pm] jeff: yes<br /> [12:34pm] pinkerton: cool, will you be around the following weekend for our camino shin-dig?<br /> [12:34pm] pinkerton: june 16/17<br /> [12:34pm] ardissone|food: (scoping for 1.6: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Planning:Camino_1.6 )<br /> [12:34pm] jeff: yea I plan on it<br /> [12:35pm] pinkerton: schweet<br /> [12:35pm] froodian|away: anyway, i suppose we can set an exact date next week, but let&#039;s say &quot;around may 28&quot; ?<br /> [12:35pm] cl: anyone have any small projects they think I should work on this afternoon killing 8 hours at the airport?<br /> [12:36pm] ardissone|food: undo close tab <br /> [12:36pm] ardissone|food: opt-click to download <br /> [12:36pm] cl: I said &quot;small&quot; <br /> [12:36pm] jeff: I&#039;m free pretty much all next week<br /> [12:37pm] jeff: so I have no preference when the meeting is<br /> [12:38pm] froodian|away: should this meeting be before it starts, or shortly after?<br /> [12:38pm] froodian|away: also, who&#039;s the official mentor on this again? smorgan, pink?<br /> [12:38pm] jeff: smorgan<br /> [12:38pm] smorgan: is<br /> [12:38pm] froodian|away: cool<br /> [12:38pm] pinkerton: what they said<br /> [12:39pm] smorgan: Assuming jeff doesn&#039;t mind digging in early, I&#039;d much rather scope it before the official start<br /> [12:39pm] jeff: smorgan: that sounds good<br /> [12:39pm] ardissone|food: you have page in the wiki for the project home<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone|food: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Summer_of_Code_2007<br /> [12:40pm] jeff: ok cool<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone|food: see http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Summer_of_Code_2006 for how we used the page last year<br /> [12:41pm] pinkerton: we need to get the dates on there<br /> [12:41pm] froodian|away: ok, i&#039;m gonna go ahead and propose Tues the 22 at 12 EST (the normal time we do this meeting)<br /> [12:41pm] froodian|away: does that work for people?<br /> [12:41pm] pinkerton: that was the part i had the hardest time with last year.<br /> [12:41pm] froodian|away: roger. dates.<br /> [12:41pm] pinkerton: the soc dates and deadlines aren&#039;t easy to find<br /> [12:42pm] jeff: Tue 22 works for me<br /> [12:42pm] ardissone|food: i found them lazt nigth<br /> [12:42pm] peeja: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60325&amp;topic=10729<br /> [12:42pm] pinkerton: yah, that works for me<br /> [12:42pm] froodian|away: hands peeja the blue-and-white star of speediness<br /> [12:42pm] peeja: beams<br /> [12:42pm] ardissone|food: indeed, faster than my cmd-y<br /> [12:45pm] ardissone|food: so, we missed mento to ask about boxen, and ss is not here, either<br /> [12:45pm] peeja: do we need to talk about my project at all?<br /> [12:45pm] pinkerton: can someone email ss and remind him to tell jay about the talkback change?<br /> [12:45pm] ardissone|food: pinkerton: i will<br /> [12:46pm] pinkerton: peeja: i wasn&#039;t sure what the full details there were. i saw some email from sam, but he&#039;d be the one to ask<br /> [12:46pm] froodian|away: can we at least get a + from smorgan on meeting time?<br /> [12:46pm] froodian|away: so we can set it tentatively?<br /> [12:46pm] smorgan: +<br /> [12:46pm] froodian|away: k<br /> [12:46pm] froodian|away: ty<br /> [12:46pm] froodian|away: peeja: let&#039;s let it be next week <br /> [12:46pm] froodian|away: so ss can be here<br /> [12:47pm] peeja: sound good<br /> [12:47pm] froodian|away: ok, so moving past boxen for now<br /> [12:47pm] froodian|away: we already talked about the specific bug a bit<br /> [12:47pm] froodian|away: so does anybody have anything else?<br /> [12:48pm] pinkerton: i&#039;ve been using the 1.5rc and it rocks<br /> [12:48pm] peeja: what&#039;s bookmark loss?<br /> [12:48pm] cl: the usual<br /> [12:48pm] ardissone|food: yeah, anyone hearing anything about 1.5 we should know about?<br /> [12:49pm] cl: shudders at the idea of bookmark loss being &quot;the usual&quot;<br /> [12:49pm] smorgan: That should go off the agenda until we have feedback from something newer than 1.1b<br /> [12:49pm] ardissone|food: k<br /> [12:49pm] cl: table it until 1.5 ships?<br /> [12:49pm] cl: since that&#039;s probably the first chance we&#039;ll have to get some real feedback on it<br /> [12:49pm] froodian|away: peeja: bug 337750<br /> [12:49pm] cl: I don&#039;t think many of the people e-mailing have anything newer than 1.0.x or 1.1b<br /> [12:50pm] smorgan: It&#039;s even theoretically possible that the double-pseudo-safe save was actually causing it to happen, although I&#039;m not holding my breath on that<br /> [12:50pm] froodian|away: hasn&#039;t heard anything positive or negative about 1.5rc<br /> [12:50pm] cl: i&#039;m gonna have to run very soon<br /> [12:50pm] smorgan: At what point are we doing a real rc?<br /> [12:50pm] smorgan: and announcing it?<br /> [12:51pm] pinkerton: a bunch of the google sites work much better, i&#039;m really happy with it<br /> [12:51pm] cl: should someone e-mail smfr specifically and have him take a look at the CJK bug?<br /> [12:51pm] ardissone|food: it needs r+ first<br /> [12:51pm] froodian|away: pinkerton: yeah, but this one google app breaks, it&#039;s so annoying... <br /> [12:51pm] cl: haha<br /> [12:51pm] froodian|away: (just teasing <br /> [12:51pm] pinkerton: yeah yeah <br /> [12:51pm] ardissone|food: hooray for strict version checking, thouugh <br /> [12:51pm] cl: is there any sort of ETA on that maintenance release that can be publicly announced?<br /> [12:52pm] smorgan: I hear that app is nothing but ad-ware anyway (according to someone on the forum who apparently never used it)<br /> [12:52pm] cl: does not use GD anyway<br /> [12:52pm] cl: haha<br /> [12:53pm] cl: yeah, good point<br /> [12:53pm] smorgan: notes that this meeting is logged and posted<br /> [12:53pm] cl: notes that no one from the forums really reads the meeting logs anyway <br /> [12:53pm] pinkerton: cl: it&#039;ll probably be in the next release (barring something major intervening) but i can&#039;t discuss an eta<br /> [12:53pm] cl: especially since they&#039;re damn near impossible to find.<br /> [12:53pm] froodian|away: people read them<br /> [12:53pm] ardissone|food: um, they&#039;re linked from the main page of the wiki <br /> [12:53pm] froodian|away: somebody knew we were going to be 1.5 before we told anybody<br /> [12:54pm] smorgan: And indexed by search engines, right?<br /> [12:54pm] froodian|away: yes<br /> [12:54pm] froodian|away: anyway, i think we&#039;ve appropriately digressed<br /> [12:54pm] ardissone|food: indeed<br /> [12:55pm] froodian|away: have a good week all, see you &#039;round<br /> [12:55pm] cl: indeed<br /> [12:55pm] froodian|away was kicked from the chat room by froodian|away. (froodian|away)<br /> [12:55pm] ardissone|food: please continue to bang on 1.5 and/or fix 1.0.5 bugs as appropriate<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div> Sardisson