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<p><b>New page</b></p><div><pre>[12:00pm] ss: Let's wait a couple more minutes and see if we can pick up smorgan or murph.<br />
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[12:06pm] ss: Well, let's get started.<br />
[12:06pm] ss: Camino 1.5:<br />
[12:06pm] ss: We're ready with the en-US version.<br />
[12:06pm] ss: The Gecko release is today, which means we could, theoretically, release today.<br />
[12:07pm] ss: One problem with that is that the ML build isn't quite ready and the website isn't either.<br />
[12:07pm] ss: I propose we release without the website being ready.<br />
[12:07pm] pinkerton: what changes would hve to be made to the current website?<br />
[12:07pm] ss: Just some version # changes<br />
[12:07pm] ardissone|food: support can be uploaded as is<br />
[12:07pm] ss: It'd take an hour or two as it is.<br />
[12:07pm] ardissone|food: i made all my changes there to the old files<br />
[12:07pm] ss: But the new site would take a few more days of me working on that to get it there.<br />
[12:08pm] ss: Yeah<br />
[12:08pm] pinkerton: seems like a shame to not have a list of new features ready on the front page, at least<br />
[12:08pm] ardissone|food: we can do that<br />
[12:08pm] ss: Hm, well<br />
[12:08pm] pinkerton: like, oh, spellcheck?<br />
[12:08pm] ardissone|food: that's 5-10 mins<br />
[12:08pm] ardissone|food: that bullet list?<br />
[12:08pm] ss: We could release a new front page<br />
[12:08pm] ss: That was separate and only had the download link.<br />
[12:08pm] ss: No support or anything. Put up "coming soon" pages or something.<br />
[12:08pm] mento: how long will it take to change the numbers on the current site?<br />
[12:08pm] ss: Because we do have in-product links that can't break.<br />
[12:08pm] ss: mento: An hour or two, max.<br />
[12:09pm] ardissone|food: i'd rather incrementally rev the existing front page than that<br />
[12:09pm] mento: leave the existing front page and site, bump the numbers, and list some 1.5 features on the main page?<br />
[12:10pm] pinkerton: yeah<br />
[12:10pm] ss: Yeah, that'd be fine.<br />
[12:10pm] mento: all opposed?<br />
[12:10pm] mento: k<br />
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: yeah, that's good<br />
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: bug 382331 is really making the finished MLs suck<br />
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: if you haven't been follwoing<br />
[12:10pm] ss: Right, so the one last thing we need to decide is when to actually release.<br />
[12:11pm] ss: If we want to wait for ML a little longer, I think they're almost ready<br />
[12:11pm] pinkerton: didn't we give them a deadline?<br />
[12:11pm] ss: We can give them 'til Monday or something and release on Tuesday<br />
[12:11pm] ss: We did<br />
[12:11pm] ss: They had problems, as that bug shows.<br />
[12:11pm] ardissone|food: the build exists, but that bug sucks<br />
[12:11pm] ss: Right<br />
[12:11pm] pinkerton: a button?<br />
[12:11pm] pinkerton: that's it?<br />
[12:11pm] pinkerton: really?<br />
[12:12pm] ardissone|food: you want that to be the first thing you see?<br />
[12:12pm] ss: Literally.<br />
[12:12pm] ardissone|food: text that doesn't fit right?<br />
[12:12pm] ss: The first thing.<br />
[12:12pm] pinkerton: hm<br />
[12:12pm] ss: It's right on top and everything.<br />
[12:12pm] pinkerton: why can't they just make it fit?<br />
[12:12pm] ardissone|food: we hard-coded crap in code<br />
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: according to smrogan<br />
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: (it's a code dialogue)<br />
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: so they're changing button text<br />
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: to make it fit<br />
[12:13pm] pinkerton: why did we do that?<br />
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: don't ask me <br />
[12:13pm] mento: deal with a short string for now, move it into a nib, i'd argue, for 1.5.1<br />
[12:14pm] ardissone|food: get rid of it for `.6 <br />
[12:14pm] pinkerton: what guarantee do we have that ML will be done by monday?<br />
[12:14pm] pinkerton: probably 0%?<br />
[12:15pm] ardissone|food: 6 of 11 have already sent changes to marcello<br />
[12:15pm] ss: Well, we can release without them, but this really does suck, overall. Our first run experience should be good, not bad.<br />
[12:15pm] ss: Yeah<br />
[12:15pm] ss: They're coming in fast<br />
[12:15pm] ss: And the ones that don't, he can just leave out<br />
[12:15pm] ardissone|food: or look at the string fro 1.0<br />
[12:15pm] ss: Right<br />
[12:16pm] pinkerton: so june 5, about a week before wwdc<br />
[12:16pm] ss: Yeah<br />
[12:16pm] pinkerton: basically slip a week<br />
[12:16pm] ss: Basically. A little less<br />
[12:16pm] ss: We wouldn't release today anyway<br />
[12:16pm] ss: We'd do it tomorrow or Friday.<br />
[12:16pm] pinkerton: ah<br />
[12:17pm] pinkerton: ok then, let's do tuesday, hell or high water, ML or not<br />
[12:17pm] pinkerton: we can have the website ready then, yes?<br />
[12:17pm] ss: Yes.<br />
[12:17pm] pinkerton: ok<br />
[12:17pm] ss: Or rather "ready" in the sense we said above. <br />
[12:17pm] mento: wfm<br />
[12:17pm] pinkerton: k next?<br />
[12:17pm] ss: Moving on?<br />
[12:17pm] ss: 1.0.5<br />
[12:17pm] ss: We should try and get that out in the next two weeks.<br />
[12:18pm] ss: But WWDC will almost certainly get in the way<br />
[12:18pm] pinkerton: in the way of engineering, or in the way of press?<br />
[12:18pm] ss: Engineering<br />
[12:18pm] ss: We don't need much press for 1.0.5<br />
[12:18pm] ss: It's just our last 10.2 release<br />
[12:18pm] ardissone|food: 10.2, we love you, but bye<br />
[12:18pm] pinkerton: that's what i figured<br />
[12:19pm] ss: Everything's about ready, just need a couple more reviews and such.<br />
[12:19pm] ardissone|food: murph's patch has r/sr now<br />
[12:19pm] ss: Hopefully we can knock that out and get it out there.<br />
[12:19pm] ardissone|food: not sure if the changes need to be made before checkin or not<br />
[12:19pm] ss: Yeah, the long standing old bug is finally fixed.<br />
[12:19pm] pinkerton: ok, we'll just see what we can do<br />
[12:19pm] ss: (bug 175651)<br />
[12:19pm] ardissone|food: well, work-ed around<br />
[12:19pm] ss: Sure<br />
[12:20pm] ardissone|food: i'll finish relnotes this weekend<br />
[12:20pm] ss: Sounds good<br />
[12:20pm] ss: Next, 1.6...<br />
[12:20pm] ardissone|food: smorgan says they can just use the 1.5 nib full-stop<br />
[12:20pm] ss: There's a link in the wiki of the 1.6 planning page. http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Planning:Camino_1.6<br />
[12:21pm] ss: That's the overall plan, based one some things we talked about.<br />
[12:21pm] ss: If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to say them. <br />
[12:21pm] pinkerton: has the whining about the tab scrolling been silenced, or are we still dealing with "i'll never upgrade, you suck" debates?<br />
[12:21pm] ss: This really should be a quick update if we can get out a couple new features.<br />
[12:21pm] ss: There was whining? If it was significant, I think it got silenced after Firefox 2.<br />
[12:22pm] pinkerton: i saw some on the mailing list<br />
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: i've heard no more, but smorgan seemed to promise some way to disable it<br />
[12:22pm] ss: Oh, heh<br />
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: which seemed out-of-charaver<br />
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: *character<br />
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: if i understood him<br />
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: no-one on the forum has complained, of course<br />
[12:23pm] pinkerton: ok<br />
[12:23pm] pinkerton: just askin'<br />
[12:23pm] ss: And, really, I'm not sure we care. <br />
[12:23pm] ardissone|food: i think getting the all tabs menu just right will placate almost everyone<br />
[12:23pm] ss: We'll retriage the bugs for 1.6 after we release 1.5.<br />
[12:23pm] pinkerton: yeah<br />
[12:23pm] ardissone|food: that, too <br />
[12:24pm] ss: Blah blah, etc etc... work on your 1.6 bugs, you know it.<br />
[12:24pm] ss: SoC began this week.<br />
[12:24pm] ss: Go jeff!<br />
[12:24pm] pinkerton: yay!<br />
[12:24pm] ss: Jeff started a blog for it<br />
[12:24pm] ss: summerofcamino.com<br />
[12:24pm] ss: Check it out, pay attention, and we'll see where it goes. <br />
[12:24pm] ss: It's a big project and I'm looking forward to it. <br />
[12:25pm] pinkerton: i love it when people can draw<br />
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: look at the mockups if you haven't already<br />
[12:25pm] ss: Tinderbox suck as normal, working on moving them still, but IT stopped caring so I'm pushing it less.<br />
[12:25pm] mento: just need the talkback shit sorted out<br />
[12:25pm] ss: Yeah<br />
[12:25pm] mento: so...close...<br />
[12:25pm] ss: Heh, we'll get there soon.<br />
[12:26pm] ss: Queues suck right now as bugs are getting backed up.<br />
[12:26pm] ss: The review queue has 18<br />
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: 11 untargeted<br />
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: er, 12<br />
[12:26pm] ss: pink has 6 SRs to do.<br />
[12:26pm] pinkerton: yowzah<br />
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: froodian should be back 9 june<br />
[12:26pm] pinkerton: i told people to poke me if it was backing up<br />
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: one is an rs<br />
[12:26pm] ss: Right, he'll get right on some of this when he gets back, I'm sure.<br />
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: of a ... -> … elipsis change <br />
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: i told smorgan there was no need for sr on that one <br />
[12:28pm] ss: Beyond that, everyone work on reviews and code this week.<br />
[12:28pm] ss: We want 1.6 to be done soon.<br />
[12:29pm] pinkerton: what' the # on that, i'll do it right now?<br />
[12:29pm] ss: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378544<br />
[12:29pm] ardissone|food: bug 378544:<br />
[12:30pm] pinkerton: done<br />
[12:30pm] ss: Alright, anyone have anything else?<br />
[12:30pm] ardissone|food: awesome<br />
[12:31pm] ss: Alright then, release is next Tuesday, everyone be ready for it and the increase in feedback.<br />
[12:31pm] ss: Go out and have fun this week, but be sure to work on your reviews. <br />
[12:31pm] ss: Later<br />
[12:31pm] ardissone|food: or take some reviews </pre></div>Sardisson