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<p>log</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>&lt;pre&gt;[12:14am] You changed the topic to &quot;http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2007-09-05:Agenda&quot;.<br /> [12:00pm] cl was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] jeff was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] cl: right on cue<br /> [12:00pm] _Tsk_ was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] You are now known as ardissone|food.<br /> [12:00pm] ardissone|food: still acquiring food<br /> [12:00pm] ardissone|food: are we expecting pink or mento?<br /> [12:01pm] cl: AIM says pink is &quot;foooooooooood!&quot;<br /> [12:01pm] murph joined the chat room.<br /> [12:01pm] pinkerton joined the chat room.<br /> [12:01pm] pinkerton was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [12:01pm] pinkerton: shazam<br /> [12:01pm] cl: magic<br /> [12:01pm] murph was promoted to operator by cl.<br /> [12:02pm] kreeger joined the chat room.<br /> [12:02pm] kreeger was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:03pm] ardissone|food: everyone open your camino to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2007-09-05:Agenda<br /> [12:04pm] pinkerton: i&#039;dlike to add something to the end of the agenda, so ping me if i&#039;m not paying attentino<br /> [12:04pm] ardissone|food: k<br /> [12:04pm] ardissone|food: before or after &quot;specific bugs&quot; ?<br /> [12:05pm] pinkerton: before<br /> [12:05pm] ardissone|food: k<br /> [12:05pm] ardissone|food: the 1.6 situation is pretty much the same as last week<br /> [12:06pm] ardissone|food: smorgan&#039;s done a high-level review of batwood&#039;s one patch, and murph has posted his patch<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone|food: did anyone have more thoughts about dates (and other blockers) for a1?<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone|food: (sw update is already an a1 blocker)<br /> [12:09pm] smorgan: Is SU the only a1 determiner?<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone|food: that&#039;s my question<br /> [12:10pm] pinkerton: is tab scrolling in 16?<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone|food: yes, it&#039;s the one thing that&#039;s essentially landed<br /> [12:10pm] pinkerton: ok, just curious if there were any heinous blockers there<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone|food: there are some bugs left on it, and some polish, like animation, but it&#039;s pretty solid<br /> [12:10pm] pinkerton: besides &quot;this is t3h suCK, u a11 SUX0rz<br /> [12:11pm] ardissone|food: we have the overflow menu bug<br /> [12:11pm] ardissone|food: which maybe we should get feedback on in a1<br /> [12:11pm] pinkerton: ok<br /> [12:11pm] ardissone|food: that&#039;s bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376930<br /> [12:12pm] smorgan: breakpad would be nice for a1, but I have no idea if that&#039;s realistic<br /> [12:12pm] smorgan: I&#039;ll try hard to get my bit done this weekend<br /> [12:12pm] ardissone|food: we&#039;d need mento to do hookup stuff, right?<br /> [12:12pm] smorgan: yep<br /> [12:12pm] ardissone|food: so maybe we a1? it<br /> [12:13pm] smorgan: Sure, that&#039;ll remind us to ask mento<br /> [12:14pm] ardissone|food: k<br /> [12:14pm] ardissone|food: any other thoughts on a1?<br /> [12:14pm] peeja joined the chat room.<br /> [12:14pm] peeja was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:15pm] ardissone|food: we&#039;ll have AS for a1, too<br /> [12:15pm] ardissone|food: the eat your bookmark folder bug might also be a potential a1 blocker, though<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone|food: peeja: will you have time to dig into that in the next couple of weeks?<br /> [12:16pm] peeja: yeah, probably tomorrow<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone|food:<br /> [12:17pm] ardissone|food: not shipping a1 with known dataloss issues in a new feature would be nice<br /> [12:17pm] peeja: I can&#039;t guarantee when I&#039;ll figure it out though, those machinations are odd<br /> [12:17pm] ardissone|food: sure<br /> [12:18pm] ardissone|food: anything else on a1?<br /> [12:20pm] ardissone|food: ok, 1.5.1<br /> [12:20pm] ardissone|food: Nothing terribly exciting new in talkback<br /> [12:20pm] ardissone|food: smorgan has identified another possible cause of &quot;camino stops working&quot; bug<br /> [12:21pm] ardissone|food: kreeger: how is the review of the kqueue patch going?<br /> [12:21pm] cl left the chat room. (Connection reset by peer)<br /> [12:22pm] cl joined the chat room.<br /> [12:22pm] cl was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:22pm] kreeger: ardissone|food: sorry, I was trying to get to it but I was out of town all weekend-through yesterday<br /> [12:22pm] kreeger: ill try and find some down time today<br /> [12:22pm] ardissone|food: k<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone|food: anyone hearing of any other 1.5.1 issues i&#039;ve somehow not heard about? <br /> [12:24pm] ardissone|food: 1.0.6<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone|food: we released last week<br /> [12:25pm] ardissone|food: so far i&#039;ve heard nothing, which i take as a good sign <br /> [12:25pm] ardissone|food: mento was talking about turning off the 1.8.0 builds soon-ish<br /> [12:26pm] ardissone|food: and add a 1.5.x to maya<br /> [12:26pm] ardissone|food: er, that covers tinderboxen, too <br /> [12:26pm] ardissone|food: dun-dun-dun<br /> [12:27pm] ardissone|food: maybe our final SoC update?<br /> [12:27pm] peeja: probably not <br /> [12:27pm] cl: looks at peeja and jeff expectantly<br /> [12:27pm] peeja: (from me anyway)<br /> [12:27pm] peeja: bookmarks is done, toolbar items awaits sr<br /> [12:28pm] peeja: next step is testing, which is slow since the semester&#039;s just started<br /> [12:28pm] ardissone|food: and bug-fixing <br /> [12:28pm] peeja: and then various necessary bugs<br /> [12:28pm] peeja: yes<br /> [12:28pm] peeja: and then I&#039;m calling the project done<br /> [12:29pm] jeff: so for tabspose<br /> [12:29pm] jeff: I still have stuff to do, I have had a busy week (moved back to Boston) but I should have some patches up in the the coming days<br /> [12:30pm] smorgan: realizes he never posted his patch<br /> [12:30pm] ardissone|food: do we think Tabsposé can be in shape for 1.6?<br /> [12:31pm] cl: is there really anything horrible blocking it other than plugin crashes?<br /> [12:31pm] cl: that&#039;s obviously a blocker, but I can&#039;t think of anything else that&#039;s on the &quot;this issue makes it completely unusable&quot; list<br /> [12:32pm] jeff: not really, the major stuff that&#039;s needed is disabling other features in camino and a menu item/button<br /> [12:32pm] jeff: and sometime we&#039;ll have to decide on a good key command<br /> [12:32pm] ardissone|food: (for the actual 1.6 release, we&#039;d want some manner of polish over just not crashing)<br /> [12:32pm] cl: that sounds like a definite 1.6 possibility then.<br /> [12:32pm] cl: the disabling has a patch, right?<br /> [12:32pm] cl: or almost a patch?<br /> [12:33pm] jeff: yea almost, i&#039;ll have that up for a second r+ soon<br /> [12:33pm] ardissone|food:<br /> [12:33pm] cl: the menu/toolbar item will be trivial, except for making an icon, which may prove to be difficult since Hicks is very busy and Jasper is gone <br /> [12:33pm] cl: unless we have other resident artists who can be called upon for htat<br /> [12:33pm] cl: *that<br /> [12:33pm] ardissone|food: sam has some people<br /> [12:34pm] cl: can sam have those people look at bug 189930 too, then? <br /> [12:34pm] peeja: has to go; will read log<br /> [12:34pm] ardissone|food: k<br /> [12:34pm] peeja left the chat room.<br /> [12:35pm] ardissone|food: there&#039;s a wiki page for bugs that need art<br /> [12:35pm] ardissone|food: btw<br /> [12:35pm] cl: oh, is there?<br /> [12:35pm] cl: i&#039;ll go find it.<br /> [12:35pm] cl: please continue with your normally scheduled meeting <br /> [12:36pm] ardissone|food: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Planning:NeededGraphics<br /> [12:36pm] ardissone|food: ok<br /> [12:36pm] ardissone|food: this is the point where i poke our code reviewers every week <br /> [12:36pm] ardissone|food: we sit about 9-12 patches every week<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone|food: so just continue minding your queues<br /> [12:37pm] pinkerton: cracks open a g5 to look for coolant leak<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone|food: uh-oh<br /> [12:37pm] pinkerton: my rss feed says i have 3 sr&#039;s<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone|food: you&#039;ve done very well with the sr queue <br /> [12:38pm] ardissone|food: pinkerton: your turn, if you&#039;re not deep in coolant<br /> [12:38pm] pinkerton: ok<br /> [12:38pm] pinkerton: so several people around google lately, and i thought i saw someone on the mailing list bitch, that camino (and perhaps ff) has started freaking out of late and hanging a lot<br /> [12:39pm] pinkerton: our PM switched back to safari cuz it was so bad<br /> [12:39pm] ardissone|food:<br /> [12:39pm] pinkerton: i haven&#039;t seen any problems<br /> [12:39pm] kreeger: trunk?<br /> [12:39pm] cl: do we know which version these people are running?<br /> [12:39pm] pinkerton: i would asssume 1.5<br /> [12:39pm] cl: because we keep seeing people on feedback complaining that 1.5.1 sucks too<br /> [12:39pm] pinkerton: but i&#039;m not certain<br /> [12:39pm] pinkerton: when did we push .1?<br /> [12:40pm] smorgan: It appears to be some kind of proxy and/or location switching madness<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone|food: 2-3 weeks ago<br /> [12:40pm] cl: however, none of them have filed bugs that I can tell (or that weren&#039;t already known issues with previous versions)<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone|food: ew<br /> [12:40pm] cl: oh, proxy stuff<br /> [12:40pm] pinkerton: ah, well, that seems to jive with the timeline<br /> [12:40pm] cl: great.<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone|food: hates our proxy stuff<br /> [12:40pm] pinkerton: did firefox get proxy setting from the OS for its latest push?<br /> [12:40pm] pinkerton: could that have fucked us somehow?<br /> [12:40pm] cl: yeah, we have several shit-tacular proxy bugs that we can&#039;t troubleshoot because we don&#039;t know anything about proxies <br /> [12:40pm] ardissone|food: i can&#039;t imagine them doing that<br /> [12:40pm] cl: and don&#039;t have any way to test them<br /> [12:41pm] cl: it wouldn&#039;t have fucked us, but it might explain why FF suddenly has our problems <br /> [12:41pm] pinkerton: heh<br /> [12:41pm] pinkerton: just something to keep an eye out for, i guess<br /> [12:41pm] ardissone|food: that&#039;s not a N.0.0.x release item, though<br /> [12:41pm] pinkerton: i don&#039;t have details, just a bunch of annecdotal evidence something&#039;s wrong<br /> [12:41pm] cl: yeah, that&#039;s about how it&#039;s gone on feedback too, from what I can tell<br /> [12:41pm] cl: just anecdotal reports<br /> [12:42pm] ardissone|food: is it real hanging, or stopping working?<br /> [12:42pm] cl: what we need is someone who sees these problems and can reproduce them to file specific bugs on the problems <br /> [12:42pm] ardissone|food: what smorgan mentioned sounds like it could be bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351678<br /> [12:44pm] ardissone|food: if it&#039;s somehow bug 197122, benc&#039;s told us more-or-less how to fix that one<br /> [12:45pm] ardissone|food: (and possibly how to fix bug 324424 as well)<br /> [12:45pm] ardissone|food: but the hard bugs are still hard<br /> [12:45pm] pinkerton: but why all of a sudden?<br /> [12:46pm] smorgan: pinkerton: everything about the problem here points to a network configuration change<br /> [12:46pm] smorgan: Literally overnight, FF and Camino simultaneously freaked out for a bunch of people<br /> [12:46pm] smorgan: So I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a regression<br /> [12:47pm] ardissone|food: if people see it on 1.5 and 1.5.1, that would confirm that theory<br /> [12:47pm] pinkerton: ok<br /> [12:47pm] pinkerton: i had no problems when i was there last week<br /> [12:47pm] pinkerton: but i wasnt on wireless, maybe?<br /> [12:47pm] smorgan: I&#039;ve never had problems either<br /> [12:47pm] pinkerton: rose is a lot, right?<br /> [12:48pm] smorgan: I&#039;m on both (although mostly wired)<br /> [12:48pm] pinkerton: ok, well, i guess just keep our eye on it. that&#039;s all.<br /> [12:48pm] cl: and keep encouraging people to file bugs, please<br /> [12:48pm] pinkerton: heh<br /> [12:49pm] cl: it would be awesome if we could get someone who&#039;s affected by it to help us out with troubleshooting.<br /> [12:49pm] ardissone|food: cl will promise not to be mean to them <br /> [12:50pm] ardissone|food: there&#039;s some scary nspr logging you can do if it&#039;s network related<br /> [12:50pm] ardissone|food: that may or may not provide anything useful<br /> [12:50pm] ardissone|food: unless you hunt down darin <br /> [12:51pm] ardissone|food: wrt specific bugs, it&#039;s the same as last week<br /> [12:52pm] ardissone|food: minus the select thing, which landed<br /> [12:52pm] smorgan: I updated the table some this morning<br /> [12:52pm] smorgan: But I have no idea about any of the server-side stuff<br /> [12:52pm] ardissone|food: i see<br /> [12:53pm] ardissone|food: i guess we need to ask sam to look at some of that<br /> [12:53pm] ardissone|food: (whether we can get https to serve notices and downloads, right?)<br /> [12:53pm] smorgan: Yes<br /> [12:54pm] ardissone|food: ok, let&#039;s remember to poke sam <br /> [12:55pm] ardissone|food: he seems most available at 4am Eastern, when i am fast asleep <br /> [12:55pm] ardissone|food: anyone have anything else?<br /> [12:55pm] cl: haha<br /> [12:56pm] jeff left the chat room. (Quit: Ex-Chat)<br /> [12:57pm] ardissone|food: ok then, everyone have a good week<br /> [12:57pm] ardissone|food: mind your patches and queues, and keep an eye out for these freak-out bugs<br /> [12:58pm] pinkerton: :)&lt;/pre&gt;</div>

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