Status Meetings:2007-11-14:Agenda - Revision history

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ mention we have emails

2007-11-14T06:54:12Z

General Plans: mention we have emails

Sardisson: /* 1.6a1pre */ move bugs around

2007-11-14T06:51:30Z

1.6a1pre: move bugs around

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ ick

2007-11-14T06:48:51Z

General Plans: ick

Sardisson: /* Camino 1.6 */ use a query that leaves out bugs with wacky resolutions

2007-11-14T06:24:21Z

Camino 1.6: use a query that leaves out bugs with wacky resolutions

Sardisson: commit this before i screw up

2007-11-14T06:20:28Z

commit this before i screw up

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Wed 14 Nov 9am PST (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Next week: are we meeting the day before Thanksgiving?
* Camino 1.6
** [[Development:Planning:Camino 1.6|Scoping]]
*** Meet-up additions added to the scoping document and Bugzilla; no pre-meet-up bugs were removed (mostly P3/polish-type bugs and regressions)
*** Fixed bugs on the list currently indicated by <s>strikethrough</s>
*** Most of Tab Scrolling is done, as is AppleScript (P3), but most of other "big" features not underway (at least not "publicly")
*** swupdate should be about ready, pending not finding more bugs
*** jeff has been poking the tab dragging code
*** batwood has patches for both of his 1.6 bugs (patch for multiple accounts in smorgan's queue)
*** murph has patch for search editor (waiting smorgan review) and has mostly wrangled OpenSearch; should have a solution to fully establish a working key-view loop throughout the browser window after that
*** ardissone has been fighting Makefiles for AppleScript feed handlers
* Camino 1.6a1
** When?
** Need to land last swupdate ancillary bugs (see [[#1.6a1|below]])
** xpt wrangling
** nominate any major/dataloss bugs that need to be fixed for a1
** please help out with any P1s (see query below)
* [[Releases:1.5.4:Links|Camino 1.5.4]]
** Gecko 1.8.1.10 coming right after Thanksgiving as a firedrill
** Our xpt fixes uncovered more xpt/component bugs (see {{bug|402243}}), so xpt/component audit is a must for 1.5.4
** 10.5 bugs; some are fixed and we should take them all(?)
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM153/index.html Talkback] for 1.5.3
*** Flash is #1
*** Crash on quit ("pass-the-buck" Core {{bug|349463}}) is #2 (bsmedberg has a trunk patch!)
*** 4 of 11 libobjc (#3) crashes are 1passwd
*** DesktopServicesPriv (#7), random hex + DesktopServicesPriv + Spotlight (#4, #8)
*** libSystemB (#5) {{Bug|401835}} is plugin-related
*** Cocoa (#6) - random crashes on 10.5
*** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=nsDocumentObserverList::RemoveElement&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino15&platform=All&buildid=2007080914&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid nsDocumentObserverList::RemoveElement] (#9) - {{bug|395916}} (Smokey emailed the two we have an email for, asking for Camino Diagnostics and more info); there's also a live user in the [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=600994 forum]
** Still cleaning up stuff from the website switch; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything. Sam landed a number of fixes this week
* 10.5 Issues - which will we fix for 1.5.x?
** Visual
*** <s>Status bar - {{Bug|401312}}</s>
*** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
*** Tab bar
*** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
*** <s>512x512 app icon - {{bug|348065}}</s>
** Bugs
*** <s>Default apps - {{bug|401392}}</s>
*** LSFileQuarantineExclusions seems not to be working (see comments in {{bug|393515}})
** Building
*** <s>Not currently possible to build Camino (trunk) with the 10.5 SDK - {{Bug|401812}}, {{Bug|401817}}</s>
*** Not currently possible to build PPC with gcc 3.3/10.3.9 SDK - {{bug|400165}}, {{bug|401768}}
* Tinderboxen
** linear-ish T* increases on boxset (Tp, Tdhtml dropped a bit recently; Ts still rising)
** binus is hanging on grey Apple while booting :( (binus is doing 1.5.x coverage and is our 10.3 test box)
** cb-x1 will continue running 1.8.0 "for a little while"
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Overall improvement this week :)

==Specific bugs that need action==
=== 1.6a1pre ===
* {{bug|201723}} - Search engine editor
** murph has some new UI mockups for us
*** update: Our new plan is to just get the functionality in place and refine the UI as needed in an additional bug (with only minor tweaks related to the visual appearance; nothing drastic as far as the overall behavior is concerned).
* {{bug|185436}} - Software update for release builds
** Landed in the tree; waiting on approval to land patches that enable it (required Core changes)
*** will need to file license bug once part-of-build
** localization - {{bug|401017}} - will need to work something out to not build l10ns in en-only but get them to l10n teams so they don't have to re-localize
** EULA - {{bug|401021}} - see [http://groups.google.com/group/sparkleplus/browse_thread/thread/3effda7dd51fd282] for a possible method/hack
** appcast - {{bug|401474}}
* {{bug|361103}} - When scrolling tabs, buttons should be disabled once the end of the bar is reached (before mouse up)
** In theory P1 UI bugs are all to be fixed for a1

=== 1.5.4 ===

* More xpt/component goodness
* 10.5 uplift

===Other (if there's time)===

* UNCOs
** {{bug|376930}} - Overflow tab menu covers whole upper right part of my screen
*** Need to find a way to "promote" this as an area we'd like user feedback on in 1.6a1
* '''Trunk'''
** {{bug|401383}}, {{bug|401328}} - tab bleeding not fixed for Camino, caused white rectangle, too; needs someone who can do some debugging
** Need to keep an eye on trunk regressions, determine if they're Camino-only or partly/wholly Core, and consider requesting blocking1.9? for the latter set.
** xpfe cleanup
*** {{bug|383085}} has a patch to remove a number of xpfe directories
*** stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP [http://hem.fyristorg.com/s_her/camino/camino-test.diff patch]<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"<br>[4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code :P

==Queries==

===Camino 1.6a1===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino1.6a1%3F Blocking ?] (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino1.6a1%2B Blocking +] (4) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} {{greyText|not including some parts of swupdate}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino1.6a1- Blocking -] (2) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}

===Camino 1.6===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino1.6&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 1.6] (38) {{greyText|[+3 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino1.6%3F Blocking ?] (5) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} (mostly bugs not on the 1.6 list that need evaluation) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino1.6%2B Blocking +] (1) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} (but [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino1.6&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&priority=P1&chfieldto=Now P1 bugs] are blocking) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino1.6- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (535) {{greyText|['''+1''' since last week]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&chfieldfrom=2007-11-07&chfieldto=2007-11-14&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''9''') {{greyText|[-10 since last week]}} (0 were 1.6-targeted, 3 were website) 

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (10) {{greyText|[+2 since last week]}} '''1 untargeted''' 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] (3) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}}

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 *** Crash on quit ("pass-the-buck" Core {{bug|349463}}) is #2 (bsmedberg has a trunk patch!)
 *** 5 of 20 [http://tinyurl.com/2e3b3o libobjc] (#3) crashes are 1passwd
-*** libSystemB (#4) {{Bug|401835}} is plugin-related (where there are constant stacks)
+*** libSystemB (#4) {{Bug|401835}} is plugin-related (where there are constant stacks; we have some emails, if there's anything we might ask them)
 *** CoreFoundation (#5)
 *** DesktopServicesPriv (#6) - {{bug|402169}}, random hex + DesktopServicesPriv + Spotlight (#7)

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 *** update: Our new plan is to just get the functionality in place and refine the UI as needed in an additional bug (with only minor tweaks related to the visual appearance; nothing drastic as far as the overall behavior is concerned).
 * {{bug|185436}} - Software update for release builds
-** Landed in the tree; waiting on approval to land patches that enable it (required Core changes)
+** Landed in the tree; waiting on tagging and then {{bug|403273}} to land patches that enable it
-*** will need to file license bug once part-of-build
+*** about:license bug filed {{bug|403164}}
 ** localization - {{bug|401017}} - will need to work something out to not build l10ns in en-only but get them to l10n teams so they don't have to re-localize
 ** appcast - {{bug|401474}}
 * {{bug|361103}} - When scrolling tabs, buttons should be disabled once the end of the bar is reached (before mouse up)

@@ Line 9: / Line 9: @@
 *** Most of Tab Scrolling is done, as is AppleScript (P3), but most of other "big" features not underway (at least not "publicly")
 *** swupdate should be about ready, pending not finding more bugs
-*** jeff has been poking the tab dragging code
+*** jeff has been poking the tab dragging code (update)
 *** batwood has patches for both of his 1.6 bugs (patch for multiple accounts in smorgan's queue)
 *** murph has patch for search editor (waiting smorgan review) and has mostly wrangled OpenSearch; should have a solution to fully establish a working key-view loop throughout the browser window after that
@@ Line 26: / Line 26: @@
 *** Flash is #1
 *** Crash on quit ("pass-the-buck" Core {{bug|349463}}) is #2 (bsmedberg has a trunk patch!)
-*** 4 of 11 libobjc (#3) crashes are 1passwd
+*** 5 of 20 [http://tinyurl.com/2e3b3o libobjc] (#3) crashes are 1passwd
-*** DesktopServicesPriv (#7), random hex + DesktopServicesPriv + Spotlight (#4, #8)
+*** libSystemB (#4) {{Bug|401835}} is plugin-related (where there are constant stacks)
-*** libSystemB (#5) {{Bug|401835}} is plugin-related
+*** CoreFoundation (#5)
-*** Cocoa (#6) - random crashes on 10.5
+*** DesktopServicesPriv (#6) - {{bug|402169}}, random hex + DesktopServicesPriv + Spotlight (#7)
-*** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=nsDocumentObserverList::RemoveElement&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino15&platform=All&buildid=2007080914&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid nsDocumentObserverList::RemoveElement] (#9) - {{bug|395916}} (Smokey emailed the two we have an email for, asking for Camino Diagnostics and more info); there's also a live user in the [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=600994 forum]
+*** Cocoa (#9) - random crashes on 10.5
 ** Still cleaning up stuff from the website switch; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything.  Sam landed a number of fixes this week
 * 10.5 Issues - which will we fix for 1.5.x?
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 *** Not currently possible to build PPC with gcc 3.3/10.3.9 SDK - {{bug|400165}}, {{bug|401768}}
 * Tinderboxen
-** linear-ish T* increases on boxset (Tp, Tdhtml dropped a bit recently; Ts still rising)
+** linear-ish T* increases on boxset (Tp, Tdhtml dropped a bit recently; Ts still rising) and maya; maya reboot helped some
 ** binus is hanging on grey Apple while booting :( (binus is doing 1.5.x coverage and is our 10.3 test box)
 ** cb-x1 will continue running 1.8.0 "for a little while"
 * Weekly Bugs and Queues update
-** Overall improvement this week :)
+** The review queue is getting large again; please help if you can (in particular, smorgan has a number of large patches to review that we want for a1 or immediately after, so if we can help smorgan's queue in other ways…).  The number of 1.6-targeted bugs keeps growing into the high-30s; we need to work on making it drop into the high-20s.
 ==Specific bugs that need action==

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 * [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (535) {{greyText|['''+1''' since last week]}} <!-- ''cl led an UNCO triage and CLOSEME closing'' '''first “CLOSEME” cleanup in a month''  -->
-* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&chfieldfrom=2007-11-07&chfieldto=2007-11-14&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''9''') {{greyText|[-10 since last week]}} (0 were 1.6-targeted, 3 were website) <!-- , 4 were trunk-only, including 2 serious regressions) -->
+* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2007-11-07&chfieldto=2007-11-14&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''9''') {{greyText|[-10 since last week]}} (0 were 1.6-targeted, 3 were website) <!-- , 4 were trunk-only, including 2 serious regressions) -->
 ==Queues==