http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Status_Meetings%3A2008-09-03%3ALog Status Meetings:2008-09-03:Log - Revision history 2026-09-06T07:48:02Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.34.4 http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/index.php?title=Status_Meetings:2008-09-03:Log&diff=9297&oldid=prev Sardisson: log 2008-09-03T17:00:09Z <p>log</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>&lt;pre&gt;[12:05pm] You were promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [12:05pm] You changed the topic to &quot;http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-09-03:Agenda&quot;.<br /> [12:05pm] hendy was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:05pm] murph was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:05pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:06pm] pinkerton joined the chat room.<br /> [12:06pm] mento joined the chat room.<br /> [12:06pm] mento was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [12:06pm] pinkerton was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:06pm] ardissone: grr<br /> [12:06pm] ardissone: this lag is awful <br /> [12:07pm] ardissone: ok<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone: everyone please open your Camino to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-09-03:Agenda<br /> [12:08pm] peeja joined the chat room.<br /> [12:08pm] ardissone: i don&#039;t think there&#039;s a thing in the world new about 1.6.3<br /> [12:08pm] peeja was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone: in old news, 1passwd, Flash, and Real continue to suck <br /> [12:09pm] pinkerton: heh<br /> [12:09pm] smorgan: If only there were a way to isolate plugin crashes<br /> [12:10pm] smorgan: pinkerton: any thoughts on that? <br /> [12:10pm] pinkerton: josh appears to be waiting for me to solve it so gecko can steal it<br /> [12:10pm] kreeger_ joined the chat room.<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone: haha<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone: 1passwd has this crasher that primarily affects 10.4/PPC that they have no idea what&#039;s causing or how to fix<br /> [12:10pm] pinkerton: right now i just want pixels to draw on the screen, so that may be someone else&#039;s problem<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone: mento&#039;s <br /> [12:11pm] ardissone: as for 1.6.4, all our stuff is in<br /> [12:11pm] ardissone: Gecko 1.8.1.17 got pushed back almost a week, to Sept 16<br /> [12:12pm] ardissone: so we don&#039;t need mento to spin until next week<br /> [12:12pm] ardissone: i&#039;ll try to keep track of where they are in respins<br /> [12:13pm] ardissone: speaking of next week, i won&#039;t be here next Wed or Thurs<br /> [12:13pm] ardissone: so someone else will need to run the meeting next week<br /> [12:13pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 1.6.x?<br /> [12:15pm] ardissone: ok, on to 2.0<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone: our target date was to have all the bugs finished at the end of last month<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone: which we didn&#039;t quite make<br /> [12:16pm] smorgan: We should tar and feather whoever is responsible for that!<br /> [12:17pm] ardissone: we&#039;re kind of in this ugly place where we have two releases coming at the same time<br /> [12:17pm] smorgan: Oh, wait...<br /> [12:18pm] ardissone: so that probably means , unless we can rush-finish everything for a1 this week<br /> [12:18pm] ardissone: a1 waits until the week of Sept 22-26<br /> [12:19pm] smorgan: Can&#039;t we do most of the lifting for the releases in advance?<br /> [12:19pm] ardissone: where everything = exceptions UI, and relnotes, with website stuff coming just after<br /> [12:20pm] ardissone: we need a reasonable idea of what&#039;s going to land for the relnotes, which blocks the build<br /> [12:21pm] ardissone: and either we try out a new update script/htaccess stuff or we don&#039;t<br /> [12:22pm] smorgan: We should at least start the release notes, and we can add a line or two if necessary<br /> [12:22pm] smorgan: I don&#039;t know what our server situation is these days for doing scripting<br /> [12:22pm] smorgan: We should be able to htaccess it though<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: yeah, no scripting yet<br /> [12:23pm] smorgan: We don&#039;t have all the languages to deal with<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: mm, true<br /> [12:24pm] pinkerton: pesky languages<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone: ok, let&#039;s see where we are with exceptions UI<br /> [12:24pm] smorgan: So basically we just look for &quot;pre&quot;<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone: well<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone: some people are downloading the 1.6.4pre stuff<br /> [12:25pm] ardissone: the next question is what&#039;s next, a2 or b1?<br /> [12:28pm] smorgan: votes b1<br /> [12:28pm] smorgan: Then when it&#039;s basically perfect we can go right to rc! <br /> [12:28pm] smorgan: I think we&#039;re at the &quot;writing off features&quot; stage at this point, unless they come in very soon<br /> [12:29pm] ardissone: we have partly functional tabsposé that we need to finsh for b1<br /> [12:30pm] smorgan: True<br /> [12:30pm] kreeger_ left the chat room. (Quit: kreeger_)<br /> [12:30pm] ardissone: and murph wants to finish tab dragging while waiting on reviews and GOOG approval on the stuff he has done<br /> [12:31pm] ardissone: those are really the only two features that aren&#039;t more or less done that i think are on our radar<br /> [12:31pm] ardissone: maybe batwood if he comes back<br /> [12:31pm] murph: I approached ardissone about tab dragging over the weekend, because, it is quite honestly the feature I want the most and something I feel we really need...<br /> [12:31pm] smorgan: I&#039;d love to see that happen, but historically blocking on tab dragging hasn&#039;t been a winning strategy<br /> [12:31pm] murph: i&#039;m forever motivated by the daring fireball review, and how that lack of such a feature overshadows all the hard work we&#039;ve all been doing<br /> [12:32pm] smorgan: So I&#039;d rather not plan the schedule on it<br /> [12:32pm] murph: yeah, that&#039;s fine, I&#039;d still iike to see what I can make happen<br /> [12:32pm] ardissone: sure, but I do think we should see where murph gets<br /> [12:32pm] smorgan: Agreed<br /> [12:33pm] ardissone: OK <br /> [12:33pm] murph: I already gave the implementation a ton of thought, and basically laid out in my last r- how I&#039;d go about it<br /> [12:33pm] smorgan: Have you talked to jeff?<br /> [12:34pm] smorgan: He&#039;s already run into several nasty parts that you&#039;ll want to be aware of as you plan it<br /> [12:34pm] ardissone: now that he&#039;s back, that&#039;s possible <br /> [12:34pm] murph: Ok, I do remember him talking about a few of those, so I will definitely get in touch with him...<br /> [12:34pm] ardissone: he&#039;s at the dentist today<br /> [12:35pm] murph: plus, I really don&#039;t want to steal his thunder, but I just didn&#039;t want to stand back any longer and watch this feature miss another release<br /> [12:36pm] ardissone: we now have all three pieces of the tab loop patch in someone&#039;s queue<br /> [12:36pm] murph: i was following what he was doing very closely, since I was reviewing his patches<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone: i&#039;m not terribly hopeful of håkan doing the one, but we&#039;ll see what happens<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone: still no news from safebrowsing people, i assume?<br /> [12:38pm] murph: nope, sadly no word back on that yet<br /> [12:39pm] ardissone: pinkerton: any thoughts<br /> [12:39pm] pinkerton: skims<br /> [12:39pm] pinkerton: which part?<br /> [12:39pm] ardissone: just on safebrowsing <br /> [12:39pm] murph: gaining official approval from Google, for using the Safe Browsing API<br /> [12:40pm] pinkerton: well, it seems like we should<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone: murph made an official request a couple of weeeks ago<br /> [12:40pm] pinkerton: want me to try to lean on someone internally?<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone: and has heard nothing<br /> [12:40pm] pinkerton: give me their name, i&#039;ll nudge them<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone:<br /> [12:40pm] murph: I had conversations with Ian Fette in the past...<br /> [12:40pm] pinkerton: conveniently he&#039;s one of my PMs now<br /> [12:41pm] pinkerton: should have sat on his desk when i was in mtn view a copule weeks ago. oh well<br /> [12:41pm] pinkerton: i&#039;ll ping him<br /> [12:41pm] murph: the last he heard from us, he mentioned that writing our own implementation could not yet be approved on etiher protocol version...<br /> [12:42pm] pinkerton: so we&#039;re SOL?<br /> [12:42pm] murph: but, now we&#039;re merely re-using the Core component, which I outlined in my request email<br /> [12:42pm] pinkerton: ah ok<br /> [12:43pm] ardissone: Core brains, Camino UI<br /> [12:43pm] murph: yeah, so we behave identically to Firefox, with a different client name in the request API URLs <br /> [12:43pm] pinkerton: ok<br /> [12:44pm] ardissone: i&#039;d give you the bug # bug bugzilla is soooo slow<br /> [12:44pm] ardissone: anything else on 2.0/2.0a1?<br /> [12:45pm] ardissone: heh<br /> [12:45pm] ardissone: pinkerton: bug 358299 has the details<br /> [12:46pm] pinkerton: email away<br /> [12:46pm] ardissone:<br /> [12:47pm] murph: thanks pink <br /> [12:48pm] ardissone: so, atm, we&#039;re waiting on GOOG for phishing, waiting on pink sr for security exceptions, and waiting on reviewers for the tab loop stuff; that&#039;s everything that&#039;s actively in progress<br /> [12:48pm] pinkerton: k. sr&#039;s on my radar but i&#039;m pretty busy today with self-assessment nonsense<br /> [12:48pm] ardissone: fun <br /> [12:49pm] pinkerton: it may eat all of this week<br /> [12:49pm] smorgan: You know, I can write unsolicited feedback...<br /> [12:49pm] smorgan:<br /> [12:49pm] pinkerton: &quot;yay&quot;<br /> [12:50pm] ardissone: we have had some good movement on bugs in the past week or so, but the review queue remains pretty full, so please check your personal queue<br /> [12:50pm] ardissone: and if for some reason you&#039;re looking for patches to review, we had 3 untargeted r? last night<br /> [12:51pm] ardissone: the 2.0-targeted list is also growing a bit; partly that&#039;s bugs hendy has attached patches for, and partly that&#039;s filing followups on the big features<br /> [12:52pm] ardissone: probably re-triage that after a1<br /> [12:53pm] ardissone: anything else from anyone about anything?<br /> [12:56pm] ardissone: ok then<br /> [12:56pm] ardissone: everyone have a good week, fix those bugs and review those patches<br /> [12:56pm] smorgan left the chat room. 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