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<p>log</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>&lt;pre&gt;[01:43am] You were promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [01:43am] You changed the topic to &quot;http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-12-10:Agenda&quot;.<br /> [01:43am] cl was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [10:20am] peeja joined the chat room.<br /> [11:33am] murph joined the chat room.<br /> [11:47am] cl|zzz is now known as cl.<br /> [11:51am] jeff joined the chat room.<br /> [11:51am] jeff was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [12:00pm] murph was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] peeja was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:01pm] smorgan joined the chat room.<br /> [12:01pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:01pm] ardissone: smorgan: are we expecting your cohorts today?<br /> [12:01pm] hendy joined the chat room.<br /> [12:02pm] hendy was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:02pm] smorgan: no pink, dunno about mento<br /> [12:02pm] ardissone: k<br /> [12:02pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [12:02pm] ardissone: does pink know we&#039;re waiting on his srs this week?<br /> [12:04pm] smorgan: he says yes, but he&#039;s really busy atm<br /> [12:04pm] ardissone: k<br /> [12:05pm] ardissone: everyone open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-12-10:Agenda in your Camino 2.0a1 or newer<br /> [12:05pm] ilya joined the chat room.<br /> [12:05pm] ilya was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:06pm] mento joined the chat room.<br /> [12:06pm] mento was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [12:06pm] ardissone: mento: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-12-10:Agenda to follow along at home <br /> [12:06pm] ardissone: I got to Talkback too late last night<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone: it had already stopped working for the night<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone: so I have no updated crash info<br /> [12:07pm] cl: Talkback quits working on a nightly basis?<br /> [12:07pm] ardissone: (it sort of feels like living in a world without a 24hr drugstore)<br /> [12:08pm] cl: What, does the guy running the server put it to bed every night at 9 PM or something?<br /> [12:08pm] ardissone: yeah, usually I can get stuff from 2.0a1 to work, but then 1.6.x stuff never finishes<br /> [12:08pm] cl: heh.<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone: dunno<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone: it&#039;s sam&#039;s system<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone: except it dates from the late 90s<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone: and is held together with chewing gum<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone: which i suspect is starting to break down after all these years<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone: anyway<br /> [12:10pm] ardissone: anyone have anything they want to add about 2.0a1 or 1.6.5?<br /> [12:12pm] ardissone: next, 1.6.6<br /> [12:12pm] ardissone: The Gecko release has a scheduled release date next Tues<br /> [12:13pm] ardissone: (which is about when I&#039;d like to release 2.0b1, except not the same day )<br /> [12:14pm] ardissone: so my thought is if we spin b1 this week, we can spin 1.6.6 next week<br /> [12:14pm] ilya is now known as ilya|brb.<br /> [12:14pm] ardissone: and release it at some convenient time during the holidays<br /> [12:15pm] ardissone: we could also in theory spin it this week; we&#039;ve landed all the bugs we have, iirc (I&#039;d have to copy/paste the relnotes; they&#039;re all dupes)<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone: and do a Wed/Thurs tag-team release next week<br /> [12:16pm] ardissone: mento, smorgan: what to you think?<br /> [12:17pm] ardissone: ss: how far along is RelEng on 2.0.0.19?<br /> [12:17pm] smorgan: Either is fine with me<br /> [12:19pm] ardissone: i&#039;ll check and make sure we have nothing else to land, and do the relnotes if that&#039;s the case, so we can give l10n lead time regardless<br /> [12:19pm] ardissone: On to 2.0 stuff, then<br /> [12:20pm] ardissone: on the tab dragging front, the one real blocker for b1 is bg dragging, waiting on pink<br /> [12:20pm] ardissone: nice work from murph and smorgan both on that one<br /> [12:20pm] ardissone: murph: any news yet on scrolling, or have you been otherwise occupied?<br /> [12:21pm] murph: ardissone: early this week I was busy with other items, but I am going to begin hitting that one as hard as I can starting tomorrow<br /> [12:21pm] ardissone: sounds good<br /> [12:22pm] murph: I also have been looking at some simpler ways to make the animations smoother, as they can be slightly choppy with lots of tabs...<br /> [12:22pm] ilya|brb is now known as ilya.<br /> [12:22pm] murph: just looking at avoiding reordering the BrowserTabView until the drag is over, rather than during each position move...<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: k<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: red-headed stepchild<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: aka Tabsposé<br /> [12:24pm] jeff: well I put up a quick fade patch for review<br /> [12:24pm] jeff: and started working on cleaning out some of my old bugs<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone:<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone: &quot;old bugs should be dead bugs&quot;<br /> [12:24pm] jeff: other than that, not much else from me<br /> [12:25pm] ardissone: when are your exams?<br /> [12:25pm] jeff: I have one today<br /> [12:25pm] ardissone: <br /> [12:25pm] ardissone: good luck, then!<br /> [12:25pm] ilya: jeff: g&#039;luck <br /> [12:25pm] jeff: thanks<br /> [12:26pm] ardissone: um<br /> [12:27pm] ardissone: next up is hendy&#039;s spot<br /> [12:27pm] ardissone: we&#039;re going to take taller tabs in b1 if pink srs it <br /> [12:27pm] hendy: i was doing utf-8, but i got distracted a bit by xul stuff, but will get back to those bugs<br /> [12:28pm] hendy: should i bring up breakpoints now?<br /> [12:28pm] ardissone: why not?<br /> [12:28pm] ardissone: assuming smorgan is listening <br /> [12:29pm] ardissone: cl and i both have (different) fuzzy memories of how this is supposed to work, so we need to get it documented<br /> [12:29pm] hendy: ok. does anyone know how to set a breakpoint in something like nsNativeThemeCocoa.mm and have Xcode/gdb find the symbol?<br /> [12:30pm] smorgan: sorry, one sec<br /> [12:30pm] murph: hendy: check under Run-&gt;Show-&gt;Shared Libraries...<br /> [12:31pm] murph: and you can enable all symbols in the module for that file<br /> [12:31pm] smorgan: gdb has never given me trouble finding the symbols that I can remember<br /> [12:32pm] hendy: i guess i have to figure out which library that file goes into<br /> [12:32pm] murph: you can also try turning off &quot;Lazy Symbol Loading&quot; if it&#039;s not hitting some, if your computer can handle doing that <br /> [12:32pm] ardissone: libwidget_mac.dylib<br /> [12:32pm] murph: try setting &quot;current level&quot; to &quot;all&quot; in teh shared libraries for that one..<br /> [12:33pm] hendy: it won&#039;t let me <br /> [12:34pm] hendy: oh wait, yes it will<br /> [12:34pm] hendy: i&#039;ll give that a try and report back later; thanks guys<br /> [12:34pm] ardissone: we need to get this info into the wiki, either on http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Building#Development or somwehwere appropriate<br /> [12:35pm] ardissone: once we know what works <br /> [12:35pm] ardissone: ok<br /> [12:35pm] hendy: if it works, i&#039;ll write it up<br /> [12:35pm] ardissone: ty<br /> [12:35pm] hendy: that&#039;s about it from me<br /> [12:35pm] ardissone:<br /> [12:36pm] ardissone: I wrote up my &quot;unussed&quot; Gecko strings progress on the wiki (http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/User:Sardisson/Localizing_Gecko_Strings) and i&#039;ll email l10n in case some of them are interested in helping me along<br /> [12:36pm] ardissone: batwood&#039;s flashblock whitelist patch is awaiting sr, also<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone: smorgan: anything to report on breakpad?<br /> [12:37pm] smorgan: no, sorry<br /> [12:37pm] smorgan: really busy<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone: k<br /> [12:38pm] ardissone: ilya: our new mr download manager?<br /> [12:38pm] ilya: just working on minor stuff w/downloads<br /> [12:39pm] ardissone: the growl patch is awaiting review again, right?<br /> [12:39pm] ilya: yep<br /> [12:39pm] ardissone: and when are your exams? <br /> [12:40pm] ilya: this week <br /> [12:40pm] ardissone: heh<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone: good luck to you, too, then <br /> [12:40pm] ilya: Camino development is the new form of procrastination, haven&#039;t you heard?<br /> [12:40pm] ilya: thanks<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone: i believe froodian once told us something similar<br /> [12:40pm] ilya: oh, I had a question about how our downloads are saved<br /> [12:41pm] ilya: so, ProgressViewController uses downloadInfoDictionary somehow to save itself to disk<br /> [12:41pm] cl: Yeah, if I had been working on Camino when I was in college, I would have been even worse about procrastinating than I was to begin with<br /> [12:42pm] ilya: but ProgressDlgController has a special method that just saves out the list of downloads, and (AFAICT) nothing else<br /> [12:42pm] ilya: so, two questions:<br /> [12:43pm] ilya: actually, one question <br /> [12:43pm] ilya: How do things actually get written to disk, and by whom?<br /> [12:43pm] smorgan: saveProgressViewControllers<br /> [12:43pm] smorgan: But this would be better for after the meeting<br /> [12:43pm] ilya: o.k.<br /> [12:44pm] ilya: o.k., sure<br /> [12:44pm] ardissone: sounds like one of those Gecko ratholes <br /> [12:44pm] ardissone: cl: you?<br /> [12:45pm] cl: I have no idea <br /> [12:45pm] ardissone: just random patches, then?<br /> [12:46pm] ardissone: also, we need to huddle on the content zoom icons and figure out where we want them to end up; philippe&#039;s made a dozen mockups now and icons for half that number<br /> [12:46pm] cl: Yeah, I&#039;m cranking out the random patches.<br /> [12:47pm] ardissone: On our b1 list<br /> [12:47pm] ardissone: what&#039;s blocking the build<br /> [12:48pm] ardissone: we have some pretty ugly UE bugs yet, but they&#039;re thorny<br /> [12:48pm] ardissone: so I think they get minused for b1 with a sigh<br /> [12:49pm] ardissone: smorgan: did you see smichaud put up a different patch for the 10.4 crasher?<br /> [12:49pm] smorgan: Only slightly different<br /> [12:49pm] ardissone: beyond whitespace changes, there are 4-5 lines of code that differ, according to my rough diff<br /> [12:49pm] smorgan: Really?<br /> [12:49pm] smorgan: I thought it was just not doing the ifs<br /> [12:50pm] ardissone: the ifs and something else<br /> [12:50pm] ardissone: i forget now <br /> [12:50pm] ardissone: should I make a build with his patch, too?<br /> [12:52pm] ardissone: beyond those, we&#039;re waiting on pink to sr basically 3 things: bg tab dragging, the Flashblock whitelist, and taller tabs<br /> [12:52pm] ardissone: and relnotes, of course<br /> [12:53pm] ardissone: i&#039;ll try to start working on those relnotes, too, while we await pink<br /> [12:53pm] ilya: and code cleanup :)<br /> [12:53pm] ardissone: but our goal with b1 remains to try to build end of this week/weekend if needed and then release next week<br /> [12:54pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on b1 or 2.0 in general?<br /> [12:56pm] ardissone: ok<br /> [12:56pm] ardissone: sam fixed boxset, so it&#039;s back on the tinderbox :D<br /> [12:57pm] ardissone: its domain had disappeared :(<br /> [12:57pm] ardissone: we&#039;ve had good movement on bugs and reviews the past few weeks, though the queues are still high<br /> [12:58pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else in general?<br /> [12:59pm] ardissone: ok then<br /> [12:59pm] ardissone: everyone have a good week, work on those patches and reviews, and pass those exams ;)&lt;/pre&gt;</div>

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