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<p>log</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>&lt;pre&gt;[12:20am] You were promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [12:20am] You changed the topic to &quot;http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-12-17:Agenda&quot;.<br /> [05:53am] cl joined the chat room.<br /> [10:15am] peeja joined the chat room.<br /> [11:34am] murph joined the chat room.<br /> [11:43am] cl2 joined the chat room.<br /> [11:43am] cl2: just in case I don&#039;t make it into the other room by noon <br /> [11:50am] jeff joined the chat room.<br /> [11:50am] jeff was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br /> [11:51am] cl2: did chanserv lose the aops for this channel too?<br /> [11:59am] ilya joined the chat room.<br /> [12:00pm] cl was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] cl2 was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] murph was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] ilya was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] peeja was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:00pm] ardissone: bbr<br /> [12:04pm] hendy joined the chat room.<br /> [12:06pm] hendy was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:06pm] ardissone: no big three at all yet <br /> [12:08pm] jeff: must be some secret Google meeting<br /> [12:08pm] ss: I did a ping for pink<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone: heh<br /> [12:09pm] ardissone: he&#039;s the one i least expect to see <br /> [12:13pm] ardissone: well<br /> [12:13pm] ardissone: what are your feelings about meetings the next two weeks?<br /> [12:13pm] ardissone: Dec 24 and Dec 31<br /> [12:14pm] ss: Definitely not<br /> [12:14pm] ardissone: (or Christmas and New Years for hendy)<br /> [12:15pm] ardissone: you just want to be excused from meetings until Feb <br /> [12:15pm] hendy: yeah, i don&#039;t think i&#039;ll be in any position to get up early those mornings<br /> [12:15pm] ardissone: next meeting would be 7 jan 09<br /> [12:18pm] cl2: it&#039;s highly unlikely I&#039;ll be around for either of those meetings even if we did have them<br /> [12:18pm] cl2: and I suspect I&#039;m one of the *most* likely ones to attend <br /> [12:19pm] ilya: is there something very special about wednesdays?<br /> [12:19pm] ardissone: pink likes them<br /> [12:20pm] murph: I too will miss out on the 24th one, 31st I can probably make...<br /> [12:20pm] ardissone: pink teaches on mondays in the fall, so the monday meetings made too much chaos<br /> [12:21pm] ardissone: i think the sentiment is pretty much against meeting, so unless one of the big 3 want to meet, let&#039;s consider them cancelled until further notice<br /> [12:22pm] ss: Of if smfr comes in randomly and wants a meeting. <br /> [12:22pm] ardissone: right<br /> [12:22pm] ardissone: anyway.let&#039;s start<br /> [12:22pm] ardissone: everyone open up http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-12-17:Agenda<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: we&#039;ve addressed meetings<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: nothing really new in Talkback on a1<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: more crashes!<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: more swizzling<br /> [12:23pm] ardissone: two crashes in the appshell, which is not fun<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone: anyway, looking forward to getting some new crash data<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone: We released 1.6.6 yesterday, for anyone who was under a stack of books<br /> [12:24pm] ardissone: 2 crashes already as of last night <br /> [12:25pm] ardissone: haven&#039;t really seen any other feedback on it yet<br /> [12:25pm] ardissone: besides the guy who doesn&#039;t have a working flashblock somehow<br /> [12:25pm] ardissone: 1.6.7<br /> [12:26pm] ardissone: MoCo is officially done with 1.8.1, or that&#039;s what they&#039;re telling themselves<br /> [12:26pm] cl2: do we have any idea *how* that bug in search is happening?<br /> [12:26pm] ardissone: our spies indicate security fixes will probably still continue landing<br /> [12:26pm] ss: MoCo has one more release for 1.8.1 (minus Thunderbird stuff)<br /> [12:27pm] ss: Due to something that was missed for Firefox 2.0.0.19<br /> [12:27pm] ss: That&#039;ll be this week or very early next.<br /> [12:27pm] ardissone:<br /> [12:27pm] ss: But it doesn&#039;t affect Mac<br /> [12:27pm] ardissone: good, because i don&#039;t want to spin another build right now <br /> [12:28pm] ardissone: anyway, we can continue doing less-frequent releases (maybe one more) until we get 2.0 ready<br /> [12:28pm] ardissone: and, as cl mentioned, we have this one bug that really breaks OpenSearch on 10.3.9<br /> [12:28pm] ardissone: if the search string contains an &amp;<br /> [12:29pm] ardissone: like, say, wikipedia and youtube <br /> [12:29pm] ardissone: it looks like double-encoding to me, offhand<br /> [12:29pm] murph: I&#039;m going to take a look at that one today, definitely<br /> [12:29pm] ardissone: but we&#039;ll need to wait for murph<br /> [12:30pm] ardissone: that&#039;s the only thing specific on our 1.6.x radar<br /> [12:30pm] cl2: murph: excellent, thanks<br /> [12:30pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else 1.6.x?<br /> [12:30pm] murph: oh sure thing, sorry it took me so long!<br /> [12:31pm] jeff: where is my fade review!<br /> [12:32pm] ardissone: haha<br /> [12:32pm] ardissone: so, 2.0<br /> [12:32pm] murph: also today! <br /> [12:32pm] ardissone: i updated the scoping doc last night while i waited on talkback to load<br /> [12:32pm] ilya: actually, bug 458205 landed<br /> [12:32pm] ilya: I think<br /> [12:33pm] ilya: this is for bug 458205<br /> [12:33pm] ardissone: ?<br /> [12:34pm] ilya: could&#039;ve sworn someone mentioned bug 458205<br /> [12:34pm] ardissone: ilya: that&#039;s the meta<br /> [12:34pm] ilya: yeah<br /> [12:34pm] ilya: I guess I was just reading ahead in the agenda <br /> [12:35pm] ardissone: if you look at http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Planning:Camino_2.0<br /> [12:35pm] ardissone: you&#039;ll see we&#039;ve made some ogood progress on our original goals<br /> [12:35pm] ardissone: well, not Tabsposé<br /> [12:35pm] ardissone: and not Gecko<br /> [12:35pm] jeff: hides<br /> [12:35pm] ardissone: anyway<br /> [12:36pm] ardissone: tabsposé still has lots of outstanding bugs<br /> [12:36pm] ardissone: we need to fix the focus loss on closing<br /> [12:36pm] jeff: le sigh<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone: probably keyboard access<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone: and make it prettier<br /> [12:37pm] jeff: I started moving it to a NSControl<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone: k<br /> [12:37pm] jeff: look for it soon<br /> [12:37pm] ardissone: jeff also has a pretty patch in murph&#039;s queue<br /> [12:37pm] jeff: small patch<br /> [12:37pm] jeff: looks at murph with distain<br /> [12:38pm] ardissone: looks at jeff with disdain <br /> [12:38pm] murph: yeah, now I&#039;m hiding...<br /> [12:38pm] murph: lot of disdain in one meeting!<br /> [12:38pm] ardissone: murph: you&#039;ve alos been poking drag-scrolling?<br /> [12:38pm] murph: ardissone: yeah I do have some ideas and a little bit of progress there<br /> [12:39pm] ardissone:<br /> [12:39pm] kreeger joined the chat room.<br /> [12:39pm] kreeger was promoted to operator by you.<br /> [12:39pm] ardissone: hendy: besides doing everyone&#039;s reviews and visiting the farm, anything new from you?<br /> [12:40pm] hendy: i&#039;m still working on utf-8 stuff; hope to get a patch out this week<br /> [12:40pm] ardissone: cool <br /> [12:41pm] ardissone: ilya: how are Growl/downloads stuff going?<br /> [12:41pm] ardissone: we landed bouncing last week<br /> [12:41pm] ardissone: ilya&#039;s first patch <br /> [12:42pm] ilya: Growl stuff is peachy-keen on my end<br /> [12:42pm] ilya: waiting on review<br /> [12:42pm] ardissone: which is in stuart&#039;s queue, right?<br /> [12:43pm] ilya: not sure how much coding I&#039;ll be doing in the near future -- I&#039;m down one dev machine and one large screen<br /> [12:44pm] ardissone: heh<br /> [12:44pm] cl2: what happened?<br /> [12:44pm] ardissone: &quot;that college life is tough&quot;<br /> [12:45pm] ilya: something (either the fan or drive) is clicking, so I sent it to Apple to look into<br /> [12:45pm] ilya: and the screen just didn&#039;t fly home with me <br /> [12:45pm] cl2: ouch<br /> [12:46pm] ardissone: hehe<br /> [12:46pm] ardissone: ok<br /> [12:46pm] ardissone: cl2: and you?<br /> [12:47pm] cl2: what about me?<br /> [12:47pm] cl2: I got nothin&#039; <br /> [12:47pm] ardissone: what have you done lately? <br /> [12:47pm] jeff: wonders if cl plays XPlane for iPhone<br /> [12:48pm] ardissone: in other news, the Flashblock whitelist landed<br /> [12:48pm] cl2: does not have an iPhone<br /> [12:48pm] cl2: so, no.<br /> [12:48pm] ardissone: so go thank batwood next time you see him<br /> [12:48pm] hendy: that whitelist is sweet<br /> [12:49pm] cl2: I updated some stuff that&#039;s now awaiting sr<br /> [12:49pm] cl2: thanks to hendy for the super-fast reviews<br /> [12:49pm] ardissone: as opposed to fast super-reviews <br /> [12:49pm] ardissone: which rarely exist, either <br /> [12:49pm] cl2: the WebFeatures.* stuff should be quick once smorgan gets around to it<br /> [12:50pm] cl2: and the downloads prefs stuff is in his queue too<br /> [12:50pm] cl2: I might be able to do bug 469414 today or tomorrow<br /> [12:50pm] ardissone: and of course when not caring for kittens and life and Google, smorgan is working on the breakpad client <br /> [12:51pm] ardissone: too<br /> [12:51pm] ardissone: we also need to make a decision soon on the zoom icons<br /> [12:51pm] ardissone: but we need stuart and pink<br /> [12:51pm] cl2: are you and I in agreement on the wooden handles?<br /> [12:51pm] ardissone: disliking them?<br /> [12:52pm] cl2: I know phiw and I are in agreement that they&#039;re much better than the disappearing silver handles <br /> [12:52pm] hendy: i like &#039;em<br /> [12:52pm] ardissone: the color seems wrong<br /> [12:52pm] ardissone: silver doesn&#039;t work, i agree<br /> [12:52pm] cl2: darker wood, maybe?<br /> [12:53pm] ilya: where are they, again?<br /> [12:53pm] ardissone: like a cherry?<br /> [12:53pm] hendy: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=351855<br /> [12:53pm] ardissone: bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450542<br /> [12:53pm] cl2: mm, that could work<br /> [12:53pm] ardissone: hendy wins <br /> [12:53pm] hendy: lightning-fast Cmd-L<br /> [12:53pm] cl2: haha<br /> [12:54pm] ardissone: if you have some thoughts, leave them in the bug<br /> [12:54pm] hendy: which side for the handle? every other magnifying glass has it on the right.<br /> [12:54pm] ardissone: but let&#039;s try not to overwhelm it <br /> [12:54pm] kreeger left the chat room. (Quit: oreos ftw)<br /> [12:55pm] ardissone: yeah, i think i&#039;m leaning that way, despite the Reveal icon<br /> [12:56pm] ardissone: particularly as this can be visible in the same plane as the Search field<br /> [12:57pm] cl2: I personally prefer the handle on the left.<br /> [12:57pm] cl2: but maybe that&#039;s bias due to the layout of the screenshot previews<br /> [12:57pm] cl2: if you put the icon further toward the right end of the toolbar, I think handle-right would be better<br /> [12:57pm] cl2: can we make it flip depending on its position in the toolbar? <br /> [12:57pm] ardissone: no <br /> [12:58pm] ardissone: ok<br /> [12:59pm] ardissone: Basically we&#039;re frozen for b1 now<br /> [12:59pm] ardissone: all our blockers have landed<br /> [12:59pm] ilya: I like the icons at the bottom, actually<br /> [12:59pm] ilya: but I guess it&#039;s not as familiar a metaphor<br /> [12:59pm] ardissone: i don&#039;t think it&#039;s as clear<br /> [1:00pm] ardissone: i hope to do relnotes tonight<br /> [1:00pm] ardissone: and then mento or i can spin end-of-week<br /> [1:00pm] ardissone: and release Tuesday, as a pre-Christmas present <br /> [1:01pm] ardissone: and then we&#039;re off for b2 and feature/l10n freeze<br /> [1:01pm] ilya: yay for b1 <br /> [1:01pm] cl2: does this mean I don&#039;t need to remind you about relnotes?<br /> [1:01pm] ardissone: no<br /> [1:01pm] ardissone: my day could yet suck :(<br /> [1:01pm] cl2: haha, OK<br /> [1:02pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.0x?<br /> [1:04pm] ilya: Should I remove 458961 from 458205 [meta]?<br /> [1:04pm] ardissone: let&#039;s let stuart do that<br /> [1:04pm] ardissone: we might poke him about it, though<br /> [1:04pm] ardissone: (that&#039;s the 10.4 topcrasher, in acase anyone&#039;s wondering)<br /> [1:05pm] ardissone: we had a good week the last week, 15 bugs landing<br /> [1:05pm] ardissone: the r queue is still really high :/<br /> [1:06pm] ardissone: so we need to work on that<br /> [1:06pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else?<br /> [1:07pm] ardissone: ok<br /> [1:08pm] ardissone: everyone have a good week, work on those patches and reviews, and enjoy the holidays<br /> [1:08pm] ardissone: we&#039;ll see you back here again on 7 jan 2009&lt;/pre&gt;</div>

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