Status Meetings:2009-01-14:Agenda - Revision history

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ mention here, too

2009-01-14T06:33:51Z

General Plans: mention here, too

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ ooops, forgot about these

2009-01-14T06:32:30Z

General Plans: ooops, forgot about these

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ clarify suckage

2009-01-14T05:27:11Z

General Plans: clarify suckage

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ and TB dies on me, again

2009-01-14T05:24:12Z

General Plans: and TB dies on me, again

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ commit 2.0 stuff

2009-01-14T05:16:11Z

General Plans: commit 2.0 stuff

Sardisson: all but crashes

2009-01-14T04:45:48Z

all but crashes

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Wed 14 Jan 9am PST (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0b1
** Released three weeks ago
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2ba1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121820&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b1 crashes] — 42 so far)
*** #1  is {{bug|471948}} (crash on quit in nsAppShell, seen a couple times in 2.0a1; first frame in various libs/fmwks)
*** #2  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CoreFoundation.476.17.0}}
*** #3  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related; see {{bug|471681}})
*** #4  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}}
*** #5  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|Cocoa.12.0.0}}
*** #6  Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})

*** Also, 3 stacks that are all OS frameworks with swizzling ({{TB|51979682}}, {{TB|51970202}}, {{TB|52185198}})
** {{bug|472196}} is another _NSAutoReleaseNoPool episode (10.4-only?), leaking MainController and Cocoa stuff
* Camino 1.6.6
** Released four weeks ago
** Couple of reports of software update failing on install and leaving unusable binary
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM166/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121219&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.6 crashes] — 854 already; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy)
*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers
*** #1 is Flash
*** #2 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|libSystem.B}}
*** #3 is Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})
*** #4 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related; see {{bug|471681}})
*** #5 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|CoreFoundation}}
*** #6 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|libObjC.A.dylib}}
*** 100s of random hex (many are plugins)
** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
** Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
* [[Releases:1.6.7:Links|Camino 1.6.7]]
** Officially Gecko is done, but more releases are possible
** We didn't declare 1.6.6 EOL (no stable release yet)
** One major bug in search plugins on 10.3 - {{bug|469236}}
** 1Password-related crash affects 1.6.x and 2.0nx - {{bug|471681}}
* Camino 2.0
** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
*** Need to retriage 2.0 list again soon
*** Anything with l10n impact should be nominated for b2 and add '''''l10n''''' to the whiteboard
*** Still a number of serious bugs in Widget:Cocoa needing Core investigation or fixes - {{bug|458205}}
** Anti-phishing - can't get permission :(
** Keyboard loop - Fixed a dozen old bugs, spawned about half-dozen new ones
** Security exceptions - at least one follow-up needed for 2.0, but Core code is broken
** Tabsposé - need to decide on what must be fixed for 2.0 (focus loss on close, keyboard access? WF the single-tab bug?)
** Tab dragging - scroll dragging, 10.4 bugs?
** Icon work for 2.0 - philippe working on ideas for zoom icons (need decision here - {{bug|450542}}); Sam promised updates months ago
** breakpad - smorgan writing the reporter client
** Gecko strings l10n - no .dtd solution yet; .properties landed (some don't work; see [[User:Sardisson/Localizing Gecko Strings]])
** Growl - waiting on reviews of blocking bugs?
** Fullscreen -
* Tinderboxen
** boxset - currently tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
*** had a 2+% Ts regression while it was down while Sam was in Thailand
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-x1 still reporting with truncated hostname; also, starting to die again {{bug|458217}}
** cb-minimaya running "1.6-M1.8" Ts (65 min dep)
** cb-minibinus running "2.0-M1.9" Ts (45 min dep)
** PPC minis need weekly reboots to keep running
** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
* Dev docs
** CBSamplePane: awaiting reviews
** [[Development:Reviewing]] split code style, patch preparation, etc. into [[Development:Coding]]
** need mento to verify the <code>scp</code> commands for staging
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Another slow week coming back from holidays; r queue still high

==Specific bugs that need action==

=== 2.0b2pre ===
* See 2.0b2? list
* Still a number of regressions we'll be stuck with

=== 1.6.7 ===

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
** Tab bar
** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
*** We have a designer working on polishing; need updates from Sam
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
** Folders (UNCO) - {{bug|436012}}

* cl's buglist
**{{bug|175748}} - Need mechanism for creating new blank bookmarks
**{{bug|318931}} - History/Bookmarks title changes but URL doesn't (maybe fixed by patch on {{bug|438256}}?)
**{{bug|363664}} - When right clicking on folder "Bookmark Info" should read "Folder Info"

* xpfe cleanup
** see older Agendas if you're interested


==Queries==

===Camino 2.0b2===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b2%3F Blocking ?] (10) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b2%2B Blocking +] (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b2- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Camino&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=l10n&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b1%3F&field0-0-1=flagtypes.name&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=camino2.0b1%2B&field0-0-2=flagtypes.name&type0-0-2=equals&value0-0-2=camino2.0%3F&field0-0-3=flagtypes.name&type0-0-3=equals&value0-0-3=camino2.0%2B&field0-0-4=target_milestone&type0-0-4=equals&value0-0-4=Camino2.0 l10n] (7) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (24) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F Blocking ?] (10) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B Blocking +] (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (690) {{greyText|['''+4''' since last week]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-01-07&chfieldto=2009-01-14&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''2''') {{greyText|[-3 since last week]}} (1 was ad-blocking, 1 was Google icon)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (12) {{greyText|[+2 since last meeting]}} '''3 untargeted''' 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] (5) {{greyText|[-2 since last meeting]}}

@@ Line 14: / Line 14: @@
 *** Also, 4 stacks that are all OS frameworks with swizzling ({{TB|51979682}}, {{TB|51970202}}, {{TB|52185198}}, {{TB|52293795}} [new])
 ** {{bug|472196}} is another _NSAutoReleaseNoPool episode (10.4-only?), leaking MainController and Cocoa stuff; where do we go from here?
 * Camino 1.6.6
 ** Released four weeks ago

@@ Line 17: / Line 17: @@
 ** Released four weeks ago
 ** Couple of reports of software update failing on install and leaving unusable binary
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM166/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121219&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.6 crashes] — <!--854-->??? already; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy)
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM166/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121219&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.6 crashes] — <!--854-->??? already<!--; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy-->)
-*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers, and all crashes times out at 698<!--
+*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers, and "all crashes" times out at 698<!--
 *** #1 is Flash
 *** #2 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|libSystem.B}}

@@ Line 39: / Line 39: @@
 *** Still a number of serious bugs in Widget:Cocoa needing Core investigation or fixes - {{bug|458205}}
 ** Anti-phishing - can't get permission :(
-** Keyboard loop - Fixed a dozen old bugs, spawned about half-dozen new ones
+** Keyboard loop - Fixed a dozen old bugs, spawned about half-dozen new ones; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
 ** Security exceptions - at least one follow-up needed for 2.0, but Core code is broken
 ** Tabsposé - need to decide on what must be fixed for 2.0 (focus loss on close, keyboard access?  WF the single-tab bug?)
-** Tab dragging - scroll dragging, 10.4 bugs?
+** Tab dragging - scroll dragging, 10.4 bugs, pref patch?
-** Icon work for 2.0 - philippe working on ideas for zoom icons (need decision here - {{bug|450542}}); Sam promised updates months ago
+** Icon work for 2.0 - philippe has another set of zoom icons for us ({{bug|450542}}); Sam promised updates months ago
 ** breakpad - smorgan writing the reporter client
 ** Gecko strings l10n - no .dtd solution yet; .properties landed (some don't work; see [[User:Sardisson/Localizing Gecko Strings]])
-** Growl - waiting on reviews of blocking bugs?
+** Growl - passed smorgan's code review; waiting on hendy's behavioral review, then off to sr
 ** Fullscreen -
 * Tinderboxen

@@ Line 7: / Line 7: @@
 *** #1 <!--(9)--> is {{bug|471948}} (crash on quit in nsAppShell, seen a couple times in 2.0a1; first frame in various libs/fmwks)
 *** #2 <!--(7)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}}
-*** #3 <!--(6)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related; see {{bug|471681}})
+*** #3 <!--(6)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related, 1P may have a fix; see {{bug|471681}})
 *** #4 <!--(5)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|Cocoa.12.0.0}}
 *** #4 <!--(5)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CoreFoundation.476.17.0}}
@@ Line 17: / Line 17: @@
 ** Released four weeks ago
 ** Couple of reports of software update failing on install and leaving unusable binary
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM166/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121219&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.6 crashes] — 854 already; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy)
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM166/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121219&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.6 crashes] — <!--854-->??? already; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy)
-*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers
+*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers, and all crashes times out at 698<!--
 *** #1 is Flash
 *** #2 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|libSystem.B}}
@@ Line 25: / Line 25: @@
 *** #5 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|CoreFoundation}}
 *** #6 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|libObjC.A.dylib}}
-*** 100s of random hex (many are plugins)
+*** 100s of random hex (many are plugins)-->
 ** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
 ** Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.

@@ Line 4: / Line 4: @@
 * Camino 2.0b1
 ** Released three weeks ago
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2ba1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121820&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b1 crashes] — 42 so far<!--, were adding ≈30/week, now 30 over past 3 weeks; low?-->)
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2ba1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008121820&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b1 crashes] — 66 so far, adding ≈20/week)
 *** #1 <!--(9)--> is {{bug|471948}} (crash on quit in nsAppShell, seen a couple times in 2.0a1; first frame in various libs/fmwks)
-*** #2 <!--(5)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CoreFoundation.476.17.0}}
+*** #2 <!--(7)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}}
-*** #3 <!--(4)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related; see {{bug|471681}})
+*** #3 <!--(6)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related; see {{bug|471681}})
-*** #4 <!--(4)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}}
+*** #4 <!--(5)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|Cocoa.12.0.0}}
-*** #5 <!--(3)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|Cocoa.12.0.0}}
+*** #4 <!--(5)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|CoreFoundation.476.17.0}}
-*** #6 <!--(3)--> Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})
+*** #4 <!--(5)--> Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})
 <!--*** #7 (3) is {{TBsig|Trunk|2008121820|IOKit.275.0.0}} (all #1)-->
-*** Also, 3 stacks that are all OS frameworks with swizzling ({{TB|51979682}}, {{TB|51970202}}, {{TB|52185198}})
+*** Also, 4 stacks that are all OS frameworks with swizzling ({{TB|51979682}}, {{TB|51970202}}, {{TB|52185198}}, {{TB|52293795}} [new])
-** {{bug|472196}} is another _NSAutoReleaseNoPool episode (10.4-only?), leaking MainController and Cocoa stuff
+** {{bug|472196}} is another _NSAutoReleaseNoPool episode (10.4-only?), leaking MainController and Cocoa stuff; where do we go from here?
 * Camino 1.6.6
 ** Released four weeks ago