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2009-04-08T04:17:20Z

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2009-04-08T04:16:55Z

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Sardisson: /* General Plans */ add jeff

2009-04-01T06:10:51Z

General Plans: add jeff

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ crash reports

2009-04-01T06:08:01Z

General Plans: crash reports

Sardisson: all but crashes, I think

2009-04-01T05:40:05Z

all but crashes, I think

New page

Wed 25 Mar 9am PDT (16:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0b2
** Released four and a half weeks ago
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2b1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009022317&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b2 crashes] — 122 so far, ~75 this week [this is much higher than before, even given that we have about 4x users over b1])
*** #1  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}} (rise in libobjc+swizzling)
*** #2  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|Flash%20Player}}
*** #3  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort}}
*** #4  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|SystemConfiguration.212.2.0}}
*** #4  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|0xfffeff20}}
*** #5  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libdjHPUtils.10.2.dylib.10.2.0}} ({{TB|53536170}} involves 1P and shutdown)
*** Lots of pairs of random Gecko

*** Latest swizzles: {{TB|53253501}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53259627}} [nsObjcException], {{TB|53242747}} [nsFrame::Destroy], {{TB|53250277}} [CoreFoundation], {{TB|53405594}} [libstdc++.6.dylib.7.4.0], {{TB|53513861}} [CoreFoundation] , {{TB|53443216}} [libobjc] [new], {{TB|53554877}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53584737}} [isTextBasedContent] [new], {{TB|53588903}} [CoreFoundation] [new], {{TB|53629780}} [libobjc] [new], {{TB|53582181}} [libobjc+sluggish] [new], {{TB|53692180}} [libobjc] [new], {{TB|53561223}} [libSystemB] [new], {{TB|53681416}} [SystemConfiguration] [new]

** {{bug|470159}} - crash/hang when adding (or not adding) a new bookmark; possibly key loop related?
** {{TB|53075806}} - crash in NSS when quitting
** {{TB|53502037}} - Unnamed plug-in crashing while we're showing an alert?
* Camino 1.6.7
** Released yesterday

** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM167/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009031127&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.6 crashes] — ??? already)
*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers, and "all crashes" times out at 2597
** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
** Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
* [[Releases:1.6.8:Links|Camino 1.6.8]]
** Nothing yet
* [https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode09 Summer of Code 2009]
** [[Development:Good_Bugs_and_Projects]] set up to capture ideas; Stuart has vetted (and ordered?) four ideas
** Camino Blog blogged about our ideas page; another mention in weekly update
** Jeff was reworking [http://summerofcamino.com summerofcamino.com] to help promote
** '''Student application period began last Mon; runs through Fri'''
* Camino 2.0
** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
*** Need to retriage 2.0 list (and blocking? list) again soon
*** Anything with l10n impact should be nominated for b3 and add '''''l10n''''' to the whiteboard
*** Still a number of serious bugs in Widget:Cocoa needing Core investigation or fixes - {{bug|458205}}; smorgan shaking some trees
**** Key handling order changed right after b2 to let Camino menus have first crack; we need to make sure there are no unexpected regressions
** Anti-phishing - {{bug|476543}} Ts regression all over (10% on minus); [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 lots of follow-ups]
** Keyboard loop - Fixed a dozen old bugs, spawned about half-dozen new ones; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
** Security exceptions - at least one follow-up needed for 2.0, but Core code is broken
** Tabsposé - NSControl, need to decide on what must be fixed for 2.0 (focus loss on close, keyboard access? WF the single-tab bug?)
** Tab dragging - new bugs reported against 10.4, scroll dragging, perf patch?
** breakpad - smorgan writing the reporter client
** UTF-8 - bookmarks manager needs new patch, then autocompletion typing
** Flashblock CM - awaiting sr
** Downloading -
** Gecko strings l10n - no .dtd solution yet; .properties landed (some don't work; see [[User:Sardisson/Localizing Gecko Strings]])
** Icon work for 2.0 - Sam promised updates months ago
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews (needs reviewer)
* Tinderboxen
** '''TREE CLOSED''' until boxset is running again - Sam moved
** boxset - missing from tinderbox yet again {{bug|479999}}
*** currently tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
*** had a 2+% Ts regression while it was down while Sam was in Thailand
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-x1 starting to die again {{bug|458217}}
*** kernel panic Valentine's weekend[http://pastebin.mozilla.org/623521]

* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** No net queue reduction, and the 2.0 bugs are still high

==Specific bugs that need action==

=== 2.0b3pre ===
* See 2.0b3? list
* Still a number of regressions we'll be stuck with

=== 1.6.8 ===

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
** Tab bar
** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
*** We have a designer working on polishing; need updates from Sam
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
** Folders (UNCO) - {{bug|436012}}

* xpfe cleanup
** see older Agendas if you're interested


==Queries==

===Camino 2.0b3===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b3%3F Blocking ?] (18) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b3%2B Blocking +] (2) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b3- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Camino&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=l10n&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b3%3F&field0-0-1=flagtypes.name&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=camino2.0b3%2B&field0-0-2=flagtypes.name&type0-0-2=equals&value0-0-2=camino2.0%3F&field0-0-3=flagtypes.name&type0-0-3=equals&value0-0-3=camino2.0%2B&field0-0-4=target_milestone&type0-0-4=equals&value0-0-4=Camino2.0 l10n] ('''18''') {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}}

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (18) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F Blocking ?] (14) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B Blocking +] (3) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (713) {{greyText|['''+1''' since last week]}} '''need a “CLOSEME”/UNCO cleanup; did a small pass this weekend''' 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-03-25&chfieldto=2009-04-01&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''2''') {{greyText|[-4 since last week]}} (both were bugs in l10ns fixed by 1.6.7)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (8) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} '''1 untargeted''' 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] (5) {{greyText|[+4 since last week]}}

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 * Weekly Bugs and Queues update
 ** No net queue reduction, and the 2.0 bugs are still high
 ==Specific bugs that need action==

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 * Camino 2.0b2
 ** Released four and a half weeks ago
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2b1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009022317&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b2 crashes] — 122 so far, ~75 this week [this is much higher than before, even given that we have about 4x users over b1])
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2b1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009022317&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b2 crashes] — 142 so far, ~20 this week [finally similar to b1 increases])
-*** #1 <!--(14)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}} (rise in libobjc+swizzling)
+*** #1 <!--(18)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}} (rise in libobjc+swizzling last week)
 *** #2 <!--(13)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|Flash%20Player}}
 *** #3 <!--(7)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort}}
-*** #4 <!--(5)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|SystemConfiguration.212.2.0}}
+*** #4 <!--(6)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|SystemConfiguration.212.2.0}}
-*** #4 <!--(5)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|0xfffeff20}}
+*** #4 <!--(6)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|0xfffeff20}}
-*** #5 <!--(4)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libdjHPUtils.10.2.dylib.10.2.0}} ({{TB|53536170}} involves 1P and shutdown)
+*** #5 <!--(5)--> is Core crash-on-quit {{bug|349463}}
 *** Lots of pairs of random Gecko
-<!--*** #4 !--(2)-- is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|SetStyleSheetReference}}
+<!--*** #5 !--(4)-- is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libdjHPUtils.10.2.dylib.10.2.0}} ({{TB|53536170}} involves 1P and shutdown)
 *** #5 !--(5)-- is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|CoreFoundation.476.17.0}}
-nsContainerFrame::Destroy
+-->
-nsFloatCacheList::DeleteAll
+*** Swizzles: {{TB|53253501}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53259627}} [nsObjcException], {{TB|53242747}} [nsFrame::Destroy], {{TB|53250277}} [CoreFoundation], {{TB|53405594}} [libstdc++.6.dylib.7.4.0], {{TB|53513861}} [CoreFoundation] , {{TB|53443216}} [libobjc], {{TB|53554877}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53584737}} [isTextBasedContent], {{TB|53588903}} [CoreFoundation], {{TB|53629780}} [libobjc], {{TB|53582181}} [libobjc+sluggish], {{TB|53692180}} [libobjc], {{TB|53561223}} [libSystemB], {{TB|53681416}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53722431}} [Cocoa] [new], {{TB|53813806}} [Cocoa] [new], {{TB|53715259}} [libobjc] [new], {{TB|53745487}} [SystemConfiguration] [new]
 <!--
 *** Also, OS frameworks with swizzling ({{TB|51979682}}, {{TB|51970202}}, {{TB|52185198}}, {{TB|52293795}}, {{TB|52430931}}, {{TB|52529031}}, {{TB|52541896}}, {{TB|52761804}}, {{TB|52688239}} [AB] {{TB|52749126}} [AB], {{TB|52877218}}, {{TB|52856409}} [RolloverImageButton], {{TB|52846948}} [AB], {{TB|52899423}}, {{TB|53031023}} [AB] [new])-->
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 ** Released yesterday
 <!--** Couple of reports of software update failing on install and leaving unusable binary-->
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM167/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009031127&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.6 crashes] — <!--854-->??? already<!--; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy-->)
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM167/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009032711&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.7 crashes] — 4 already<!--; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy-->)
-*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers, and "all crashes" times out at 2597<!--
+*** 1 each of libobjc, CoreGraphics, QuickTimeComponents, and random hex
 *** #1 is Flash
-*** #2 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|libSystem.B}}
+*** #2 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|libSystem.B}}
 *** #3 is Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})
-*** #4 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related; see {{bug|471681}})
+*** #4 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|CHBrowserView%20contentViewer}} (1Password-related; see {{bug|471681}})
-*** #5 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|CoreFoundation}}
+*** #5 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|CoreFoundation}}
-*** #6 is {{TBsig|16|2008121219|libObjC.A.dylib}}
+*** #6 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|libObjC.A.dylib}}
 *** 100s of random hex (many are plugins)-->
 ** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
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 ** Nothing yet
 * [https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode09 Summer of Code 2009]
-** [[Development:Good_Bugs_and_Projects]] set up to capture ideas; Stuart has vetted (and ordered?) four ideas
+** [[Development:Good Bugs and Projects]] set up to capture ideas; Stuart has vetted (and ordered?) four ideas
 ** Camino Blog blogged about our ideas page; another mention in weekly update
 ** Jeff was reworking [http://summerofcamino.com summerofcamino.com] to help promote
 ** '''Student application period began last Mon; runs through Fri'''
 * Camino 2.0
 ** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]