Status Meetings:2009-04-15:Agenda - Revision history

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ 2.0b2 crashes

2009-04-15T06:33:52Z

General Plans: 2.0b2 crashes

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ 1.6.7 crashes

2009-04-15T05:58:30Z

General Plans: 1.6.7 crashes

Sardisson: all but crashes

2009-04-15T05:24:54Z

all but crashes

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Wed 15 Apr 9am PDT (16:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0b2
** Released six and a half weeks ago
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2b1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009022317&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b2 crashes] — 186 so far, ~40 this week [higher again, but if b2 has 2x users of b1…])
*** #1  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}}
*** #2  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|Flash%20Player}}
*** #3  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|0xfffeff20}} (rise in this + other random hex)
*** #4  is Core crash-on-quit {{bug|349463}}
*** #5  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort}}
*** #5  is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|CoreFoundation.476.17.0}}
*** Lots of pairs of random Gecko
*** 5 corrupt-font-related crashes

*** Swizzles: {{TB|53862261}} [0xfffeff18/QT] [new], {{TB|53858034}} [0xfffeff20] [new], {{TB|53957940}} [CoreFoundation] [new], {{TB|53934959}} [CoreFoundation] [new], {{TB|53919637}} [Cocoa] [new], {{TB|53880688}} [libSystem.B] [new]

** {{bug|470159}} - crash/hang when adding (or not adding) a new bookmark; possibly key loop related?
** {{TB|53075806}} - crash in NSS when quitting
** {{TB|53502037}} - Unnamed plug-in crashing while we're showing an alert?
* Camino 1.6.7
** Released last week

** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM167/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009032711&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.7 crashes] — 262 already)

*** #1 is Flash
*** #2 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|CoreFoundation}} (many with comments are plugins)
*** #3 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|libSystem.B}}
*** #3 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|libObjC.A.dylib}}
*** 91 random hex
** 4 in {{TBsig|16|2009032711|AE.312}} where 1Password is the next frame; at least 1 ({{TB|53894194}}) additional CF crash with 1P *and* CamiTools :P
** CF+SiteIcon+bookmarks: {{TB|53924999}}

** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
** Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
* [[Releases:1.6.8:Links|Camino 1.6.8]]
** Nothing yet
* [https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode09 Summer of Code 2009]
** Student applications closed last week; results announced 20 Apr (2 Mondays hence)
* Camino 2.0
** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
*** Need to retriage 2.0 list (and blocking? list) again soon
*** Anything with l10n impact should be nominated for b3 and add '''''l10n''''' to the whiteboard
*** Still a number of serious bugs in Widget:Cocoa needing Core investigation or fixes - {{bug|458205}}
**** Key handling order changed right after b2 to let Camino menus have first crack; we need to make sure there are no unexpected regressions
** Anti-phishing - {{bug|476543}} Ts regression all over (10% on minus); [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 lots of follow-ups]
** Keyboard loop - Fixed a dozen old bugs, spawned about half-dozen new ones; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
** Security exceptions - critical follow-up (show/edit exceptions) hackaround r?hendy
** Tabsposé - NSControl, need to decide on what must be fixed for 2.0 (focus loss on close, keyboard access? WF the single-tab bug?)
** Tab dragging - perf patch, bugs reported against 10.4, scroll dragging?
** breakpad - smorgan working on hookup, upstreaming, etc.
** UTF-8 - bookmarks manager needs new patch, then autocompletion typing
** Flashblock CM -
** Downloading - need new nib+patch for {{bug|407883}}
** Zoom - need to decide on {{bug|452557}} (toggle for text zoom/default keystrokes)
** Gecko strings l10n - no .dtd solution yet; .properties landed (some don't work; see [[User:Sardisson/Localizing Gecko Strings]])
** Icon work for 2.0 - Sam promised updates months ago
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews (needs reviewer)
* Tinderboxen
** boxset - missing from tinderbox yet again {{bug|479999}}
*** currently tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
*** had a 2+% Ts regression while it was down while Sam was in Thailand
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-x1 starting to die again {{bug|458217}}
*** kernel panic Valentine's weekend[http://pastebin.mozilla.org/623521]

* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Not much movement again in the past week
* Camino is a finalist in the [http://www.cnet.com/html/ww/100/2009/about/browsing.html?tag=mncol Cnet Webware100]

==Specific bugs that need action==

=== 2.0b3pre ===
* See 2.0b3? list
* Still a number of regressions we'll be stuck with

=== 1.6.8 ===

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
** Tab bar
** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
*** We have a designer working on polishing; need updates from Sam
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
** Folders (UNCO) - {{bug|436012}}

* xpfe cleanup
** see older Agendas if you're interested


==Queries==

===Camino 2.0b3===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b3%3F Blocking ?] (18) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b3%2B Blocking +] (3) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b3- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Camino&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=l10n&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b3%3F&field0-0-1=flagtypes.name&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=camino2.0b3%2B&field0-0-2=flagtypes.name&type0-0-2=equals&value0-0-2=camino2.0%3F&field0-0-3=flagtypes.name&type0-0-3=equals&value0-0-3=camino2.0%2B&field0-0-4=target_milestone&type0-0-4=equals&value0-0-4=Camino2.0 l10n] ('''19''') {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}}

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (18) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F Blocking ?] (13) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B Blocking +] (3) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (700) {{greyText|['''-19''' since last week]}} '''need to keep on “CLOSEME”/UNCO cleanup; did a small pass this week''' 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-04-08&chfieldto=2009-04-15&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''5''') {{greyText|[+5 since last week]}} ('''1''' was 2.0-targeted, 1 was ad-blocking, 1 was IT)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (11) {{greyText|[+2 since last week]}} '''1 untargeted''' 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] (1) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}}

@@ Line 4: / Line 4: @@
 * Camino 2.0b2
 ** Released six and a half weeks ago
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2b1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009022317&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b2 crashes] — 186 so far, ~40 this week [higher again, but if b2 has 2x users of b1…])
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM2b1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009022317&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0b2 crashes] — 229 so far, ~40 this week)
-*** #1 <!--(20)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}}
+*** #1 <!--(24)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0}}
-*** #2 <!--(15)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|Flash%20Player}}
+*** #2 <!--(18)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|Flash%20Player}}
-*** #3 <!--(11)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|0xfffeff20}} (rise in this + other random hex)
+*** #3 <!--(15)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|0xfffeff20}} (rise in this + other random hex)
-*** #4 <!--(9)--> is Core crash-on-quit {{bug|349463}}
+*** #4 <!--(11)--> is Core crash-on-quit {{bug|349463}}
 *** #5 <!--(8)--> is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort}}
 *** Lots of pairs of random Gecko
-*** 5 corrupt-font-related crashes
+*** Crash, followed by 2 startup crashes in nsWebBrowser::BindListener [http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=mozilla/embedding/browser/webBrowser/nsWebBrowser.cpp&mark=272&rev=#272] {{TB|53984300}}, {{TB|53984391}}, {{TB|53984408}} ({{bug|431454}}?)
 <!--*** #4 !--(6)-- is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|SystemConfiguration.212.2.0}}
 *** #5 !--(4)-- is {{TBsig|Trunk|2009022317|libdjHPUtils.10.2.dylib.10.2.0}} ({{TB|53536170}} involves 1P and shutdown)
 -->
-*** Swizzles: <!--{{TB|53253501}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53259627}} [nsObjcException], {{TB|53242747}} [nsFrame::Destroy], {{TB|53250277}} [CoreFoundation], {{TB|53405594}} [libstdc++.6.dylib.7.4.0], {{TB|53513861}} [CoreFoundation] , {{TB|53443216}} [libobjc], {{TB|53554877}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53584737}} [isTextBasedContent], {{TB|53588903}} [CoreFoundation], {{TB|53629780}} [libobjc], {{TB|53582181}} [libobjc+sluggish], {{TB|53692180}} [libobjc], {{TB|53561223}} [libSystemB], {{TB|53681416}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53722431}} [Cocoa], {{TB|53813806}} [Cocoa], {{TB|53715259}} [libobjc], {{TB|53745487}} [SystemConfiguration], -->{{TB|53862261}} [0xfffeff18/QT] [new], {{TB|53858034}} [0xfffeff20] [new], {{TB|53957940}} [CoreFoundation] [new], {{TB|53934959}} [CoreFoundation] [new], {{TB|53919637}} [Cocoa] [new], {{TB|53880688}} [libSystem.B] [new]
+*** Swizzles: <!--{{TB|53253501}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53259627}} [nsObjcException], {{TB|53242747}} [nsFrame::Destroy], {{TB|53250277}} [CoreFoundation], {{TB|53405594}} [libstdc++.6.dylib.7.4.0], {{TB|53513861}} [CoreFoundation] , {{TB|53443216}} [libobjc], {{TB|53554877}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53584737}} [isTextBasedContent], {{TB|53588903}} [CoreFoundation], {{TB|53629780}} [libobjc], {{TB|53582181}} [libobjc+sluggish], {{TB|53692180}} [libobjc], {{TB|53561223}} [libSystemB], {{TB|53681416}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53722431}} [Cocoa], {{TB|53813806}} [Cocoa], {{TB|53715259}} [libobjc], {{TB|53745487}} [SystemConfiguration], {{TB|53862261}} [0xfffeff18/QT] [new], {{TB|53858034}} [0xfffeff20] [new], {{TB|53957940}} [CoreFoundation] [new], {{TB|53934959}} [CoreFoundation] [new], {{TB|53919637}} [Cocoa] [new], {{TB|53880688}} [libSystem.B] [new]--> 3 isTextBasedContent, aforementioned toolbar lozenge, {{TB|54053263}} [QT]
 <!--
 *** Also, OS frameworks with swizzling ({{TB|51979682}}, {{TB|51970202}}, {{TB|52185198}}, {{TB|52293795}}, {{TB|52430931}}, {{TB|52529031}}, {{TB|52541896}}, {{TB|52761804}}, {{TB|52688239}} [AB] {{TB|52749126}} [AB], {{TB|52877218}}, {{TB|52856409}} [RolloverImageButton], {{TB|52846948}} [AB], {{TB|52899423}}, {{TB|53031023}} [AB] [new])-->
@@ Line 40: / Line 43: @@
 ** Nothing yet
 * [https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode09 Summer of Code 2009]
-** Student applications closed last week; results announced 20 Apr (2 Mondays hence)
+** Student applications closed two weeks ago; results announced 20 Apr (next Monday)
 * Camino 2.0
 ** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]

@@ Line 23: / Line 23: @@
 ** {{TB|53502037}} - Unnamed plug-in crashing while we're showing an alert?
 * Camino 1.6.7
-** Released last week
+** Released two weeks ago
 <!--** Couple of reports of software update failing on install and leaving unusable binary-->
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM167/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009032711&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.7 crashes] — 262 already<!--; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy-->)
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM167/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009032711&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.7 crashes] — 594, ~ +300<!--; that's on par with 1.6.x series, though 1.6.5 was much less crashy-->)
 <!--*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers, and "all crashes" times out at 2597-->
-*** #1 is Flash
+*** #1 <!--111-->is Flash
-*** #2 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|CoreFoundation}} (many with comments are plugins)
+*** #2 <!--49-->is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|libSystem.B}}
-*** #3 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|libSystem.B}}
+*** #3 <!--38-->is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|libObjC.A.dylib}}
-*** #3 is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|libObjC.A.dylib}}
+*** #4 <!--25-->is {{TBsig|16|2009032711|CoreFoundation}} (many with comments are plugins)
-*** 91 random hex
+*** 191 random hex
-** 4 in {{TBsig|16|2009032711|AE.312}} where 1Password is the next frame; at least 1 ({{TB|53894194}}) additional CF crash with 1P *and* CamiTools :P
+<!--** 4 in {{TBsig|16|2009032711|AE.312}} where 1Password is the next frame; at least 1 ({{TB|53894194}}) additional CF crash with 1P *and* CamiTools :P -->
-** CF+SiteIcon+bookmarks: {{TB|53924999}}
+** World ending?: {{TB|53989872}}, {{TB|53989873}} (on startup right after previous crash)
 <!--*** #3 is Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})-->
 ** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)