Status Meetings:2009-07-08:Agenda - Revision history

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ indeed, not

2009-07-08T16:31:28Z

General Plans: indeed, not

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ oops

2009-07-08T16:17:30Z

General Plans: oops

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ yay talkback :P

2009-07-08T06:11:30Z

General Plans: yay talkback :P

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ breakpad :P

2009-07-08T05:58:14Z

General Plans: breakpad :P

Sardisson: all but crashes

2009-07-08T05:13:26Z

all but crashes

New page

Wed 8 July 9am PDT (16:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0b3
** Released five weeks ago Thursday
** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b3&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 278 (~ -8 from last week's number, which means slightly fewer in the past week)
*** #1  is various other Flash-related crashes (27%)
*** #2  is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug; comments in {{bp|03cf6c14-b89d-4bad-8610-f18752090616}}, {{bp|7f0bcbab-de88-4ea1-9aae-8edc42090610}}, {{bp|2379db81-a144-4cb7-9594-c8d9a2090609}}) (12%)
*** #3  is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} ({{BPsig|2.0b3|-%5bNSWindow%20makeKeyWindow%5d}}) (5%)
*** #4 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort%20%7c%20nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent(int)}}
*** #5 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjectFrame::PaintPlugin(nsIRenderingContext}} - mostly buggy Firefox PDF plug-in?
*** Lots of misc signatures
* Camino 2.0b4
* Camino 1.6.8
** Released three weeks ago Monday
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM168/index.html Talkback] is broken; ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009061519&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.8 crashes] — 277 so far, ~ +230 [less crashy than average])
*** #1 Flash is 24% of all 1.6.8 crashes so far (down from 33%)
*** #2 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|nsObjectFrame::NotifyContentObjectWrapper}}
*** #3 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|CoreFoundation}}
*** #3 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libobjc}}
*** #5 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libSystem.B}}
* [[Releases:1.6.9:Links|Camino 1.6.9]]
* [[Development:Summer of Code 2009|Summer of Code 2009]]
** Program [http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline timeline]
** Proposal shortform: [http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/mozilla/t124022728617]
** [[Development:Summer_of_Code_2009|Proposal]] and meta {{bug|495490}}
** [http://www.summerofcamino.com/ Dan's blog-like page]
* Camino 2.0
** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
*** Need to retriage 2.0 list (and blocking? list) again soon
** Sparkle and Breakpad may actually not be incompatible with GPL due to OpenSSL headers after all - {{bug|495620}}
** Anti-phishing - [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 lots of follow-ups]
** Keyboard loop - spawned about half-dozen new bugs; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
** Cocoa Widgets key blackhole -
** [http://tinyurl.com/qbyt76 Tabsposé] -
** breakpad - {{bug|489123}} for follow-ups
** UTF-8 - patch blocking rest of the work out for sr again
** Downloading -
** Zoom -
** Gecko strings l10n - no .dtd solution yet; .properties landed (some don't work; see [[User:Sardisson/Localizing Gecko Strings]])
** Icon work for 2.0 - Sam promised updates months ago
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews
* Camino 2.next
** Branching - [[Development:Planning:Branching for Camino 2.0]]
* Tinderboxen
** boxset
*** offline (again) due to power outage at Sam's
*** missing from tinderbox yet again {{bug|479999}}
*** currently tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
** cb-minibinus01 switched over to boxset-like config to be a temporary replacement; running Ts and Tdhtml
*** would like to get Tp working before switching back to normal config (need more static/PPC coverage)
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Had a little bit of movement, but queues still rising

==Specific bugs that need action==

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
** Tab bar
** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
*** We have a designer working on polishing; need updates from Sam
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
** Folders - {{bug|436012}}
* UNCOs
** {{Bug|467851}} - Floating Tab Previews
** {{Bug|468262}} - Use grabbed hand cursor during tab dragging
** {{Bug|458427}} - Data detectors for dates/times for iCal integration
** {{Bug|404515}} - Found items (as result of Find command) are hard to distinguish in the page
** {{Bug|391684}} - AppleScript: Closing browser window w/ multiple tabs prompts user
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems
** {{Bug|286280}} - provide mechanism for resizing <select> lists
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems (specifically, does Stuart have any further commentary on the first part of comment 4?)
** {{Bug|381295}} - Change tab scroll-to-view behavior to provide context

==Queries==

===Camino 2.0b4===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b4%3F Blocking ?] (12) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b4%2B Blocking +] (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} (but this is misleading since enabling safebrowsing is blocked on finishing it) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b4- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=l10n&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b4%3F&field0-0-1=flagtypes.name&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=camino2.0b4%2B&field0-0-2=flagtypes.name&type0-0-2=equals&value0-0-2=camino2.0%3F&field0-0-3=flagtypes.name&type0-0-3=equals&value0-0-3=camino2.0%2B&field0-0-4=target_milestone&type0-0-4=equals&value0-0-4=Camino2.0 l10n] ('''12''') {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (20) {{greyText|[+4 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F Blocking ?] (12) {{greyText|[-2 since last week]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B Blocking +] (4) {{greyText|[+2 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (678) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}''' need to keep on top of “CLOSEME”/UNCO'''

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-07-01&chfieldto=2009-07-08&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''10''') {{greyText|[+1- since last week]}} ('''3''' were 2.0-targeted; 5 were ad-blocking, 1 was l10n-impact)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (9) {{greyText|[+2 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] (2) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}}

@@ Line 6: / Line 6: @@
 ** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b3&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 291 (~ +13 from last week's number, which means slightly more in the past week)
 *** #1 <!--79--> is various other Flash-related crashes; Adobe have a fix for the {{BPsig|2.0b3|CFReadStreamGetStatus}} crash (27%)
-*** #2 <!--40--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug; {{bp|f80adca0-aa17-4472-807e-b5c292090705}} a new variant? (14%)
+*** #2 <!--40--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (14%)
 *** #3 <!--24--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} ({{BPsig|2.0b3|-%5bNSWindow%20makeKeyWindow%5d}}) (8%)
-*** #4 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_error}}
+*** #4 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_error}} ({{bp|f80adca0-aa17-4472-807e-b5c292090705}} a new variant?)
 *** #5 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort%20%7c%20nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent(int)}}
 *** Lots of misc signatures (more Cocoa, especially appshell-related, filepicker, key/mouse events)

@@ Line 32: / Line 32: @@
 ** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
 *** Need to retriage 2.0 list (and blocking? list) again soon
 ** Anti-phishing - [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 lots of follow-ups]
 ** Keyboard loop - spawned about half-dozen new bugs; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}

@@ Line 17: / Line 17: @@
 * Camino 1.6.8
 ** Released three weeks ago Monday
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM168/index.html Talkback] is broken; ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009061519&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.8 crashes] — 277 so far, ~ +230 [less crashy than average])
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM168/index.html Talkback] is broken; ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009061519&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.8 crashes] — 493 so far, ~ +216 [less crashy than average])
-*** #1 Flash is 24% of all 1.6.8 crashes so far (down from 33%)
+*** #1 Flash is 26% of all 1.6.8 crashes so far (up from 24%, down from 33%)
-*** #2 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|nsObjectFrame::NotifyContentObjectWrapper}}
+*** #2 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libSystem.B}}
-*** #3 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|CoreFoundation}}
+*** #3 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|nsObjectFrame::NotifyContentObjectWrapper}}
-*** #3 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libobjc}}
+*** #4 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libobjc}}
-*** #5 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libSystem.B}}
+*** #5 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|CoreFoundation}}
 * [[Releases:1.6.9:Links|Camino 1.6.9]]
 * [[Development:Summer of Code 2009|Summer of Code 2009]]

@@ Line 4: / Line 4: @@
 * Camino 2.0b3
 ** Released five weeks ago Thursday
-** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b3&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 278 (~ -8 from last week's number, which means slightly fewer in the past week)
+** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b3&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 291 (~ +13 from last week's number, which means slightly more in the past week)
-*** #1 <!--75--> is various other Flash-related crashes (27%)
+*** #1 <!--79--> is various other Flash-related crashes; Adobe have a fix for the {{BPsig|2.0b3|CFReadStreamGetStatus}} crash (27%)
-*** #2 <!--34--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug; comments in {{bp|03cf6c14-b89d-4bad-8610-f18752090616}}, {{bp|7f0bcbab-de88-4ea1-9aae-8edc42090610}}, {{bp|2379db81-a144-4cb7-9594-c8d9a2090609}}) (12%)
+*** #2 <!--40--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug; {{bp|f80adca0-aa17-4472-807e-b5c292090705}} a new variant? (14%)
-*** #3 <!--14--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} ({{BPsig|2.0b3|-%5bNSWindow%20makeKeyWindow%5d}}) (5%)
+*** #3 <!--24--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} ({{BPsig|2.0b3|-%5bNSWindow%20makeKeyWindow%5d}}) (8%)
-*** #4 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort%20%7c%20nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent(int)}}
+*** #4 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_error}}
-*** #5 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjectFrame::PaintPlugin(nsIRenderingContext}} - mostly buggy Firefox PDF plug-in?
+*** #5 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort%20%7c%20nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent(int)}}
-*** Lots of misc signatures
+*** Lots of misc signatures (more Cocoa, especially appshell-related, filepicker, key/mouse events)
 * Camino 2.0b4
 * Camino 1.6.8