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Sardisson: /* General Plans */ typo

2009-08-12T16:25:51Z

General Plans: typo

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ 1.6.8

2009-08-12T04:57:50Z

General Plans: 1.6.8

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ 2.0b3 crashes

2009-08-12T04:16:28Z

General Plans: 2.0b3 crashes

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ 2.0 status part

2009-08-12T03:43:20Z

General Plans: 2.0 status part

Sardisson: p&q

2009-08-12T03:19:22Z

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Wed 12 August 9am PDT (16:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0b3
** Released ten weeks ago Thursday
** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b3&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 296 (unchanged from last week's number)
*** #1  is various other Flash-related crashes; Flash 10.0.32.18 should fix the {{BPsig|2.0b3|CFReadStreamGetStatus}} crash (22%)
*** #2  is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (20%, down from 27%)
*** #3  is {{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_error}}/{{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_trap}}/{{BPsig|2.0b3|libobjc.A.dylib@0xeca0}} (8%)
*** #4 is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort%20%7c%20nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent(int)}} (8%)
*** #5  is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} ({{BPsig|2.0b3|-%5bNSWindow%20makeKeyWindow%5d}}) (1%)
*** Big jump in _objc_error and friends crashes this week
*** Big jump in nsObjCExceptionLogAbort | nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent crashes this week
*** Lots of misc signatures (more Cocoa, especially appshell-related, filepicker, key/mouse events); more widely varied this week
*** First crash with CamiNoScript: ({{bp|52aa4c63-e7ac-418f-97b1-1dcec2090718}})
* Camino 2.0b4
** Code freeze?
* Camino 1.6.8
** Released eight weeks ago Monday
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM168/index.html Talkback] is broken; ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009061519&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.8 crashes] — 1620 so far, ~ +285 last week [bit lower than average])
*** #1 Flash is 27% of all 1.6.8 crashes so far (down from 33% peak)
*** #2 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libobjc}}
*** #3 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|CoreFoundation}}
*** #4 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libSystem.B}}
*** #5 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|nsObjectFrame::NotifyContentObjectWrapper}}
** Common comments: Flash logging out of Yahoo! Mail, CF loading nytimes.com
* [[Releases:1.6.9:Links|Camino 1.6.9]]
** Gecko work beginning; tree currently burning
** Flashblock and ad-blocking for us
* [[Development:Summer of Code 2009|Summer of Code 2009]]
** Program [http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline timeline]
** Proposal shortform: [http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/mozilla/t124022728617]
** [[Development:Summer_of_Code_2009|Proposal]] and meta {{bug|495490}}
** [http://www.summerofcamino.com/ Dan's blog]
* Camino 2.0
** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
** Anti-phishing - [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 lots of follow-ups]
*** New UI mockups for overlay; what about return? - {{bug|480207}}
*** Menu patch waiting on the gone pink, but can't land until we turn on, either
*** Sam getting back in touch with Google
** Keyboard loop - spawned about half-dozen new bugs; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
** Cocoa Widgets key blackhole -
** [http://tinyurl.com/qbyt76 Tabsposé] - [http://twitter.com/dlouhy/status/2738199183]
** breakpad - {{bug|489123}} for follow-ups
** CJK/fonts tab -
** UTF-8 -
** Zoom -
** Downloading -
** Gecko strings l10n - no .dtd solution yet; .properties landed (some don't work; see [[User:Sardisson/Localizing Gecko Strings]])
** 10.5 UI
*** Bookmark/tab bar - Landed; need to watch for 10.4 feedback
*** Folders - main bug landed, still debating "up" for dirListing
*** Icon work for 2.0 - Sam promised updates months ago
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews
* CAMINO_2_0_BRANCH
** Branched - [[Development:Planning:Branching for Camino 2.0]]
** First client.mk change ported over
** All patches intended for 2.0 '''must apply''' on the CAMINO_2_0_BRANCH, so if you're working near files Dan is working on, please pull a branch tree and spin branch patches
** 2.0-only bugs, if we have them, should get a "[2.0]" tag prepended to the summary
** When cross-landing, remember to add "[camino-2.0]" to whiteboard (will be replaced by keyword soon-ish)
* Tinderboxen
** boxset
*** offline (again) due to power outage at Sam's
*** missing from tinderbox yet again {{bug|479999}}
*** currently tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
** cb-minibinus01 switched over to boxset-like config to be a temporary replacement; running Ts and Tdhtml
*** would like to get Tp working before switching back to normal config (need more static/PPC coverage)
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Queues in OK shape; need to stay on top of them; blockers landing, but numbers rising as we find follow-ups to landings :)

==Specific bugs that need action==

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
*** We have a designer working on polishing; need updates from Sam
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
* UNCOs
** {{Bug|467851}} - Floating Tab Previews
** {{Bug|468262}} - Use grabbed hand cursor during tab dragging
** {{Bug|458427}} - Data detectors for dates/times for iCal integration
** {{Bug|404515}} - Found items (as result of Find command) are hard to distinguish in the page
** {{Bug|391684}} - AppleScript: Closing browser window w/ multiple tabs prompts user
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems
** {{Bug|286280}} - provide mechanism for resizing <select> lists
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems (specifically, does Stuart have any further commentary on the first part of comment 4?)
** {{Bug|381295}} - Change tab scroll-to-view behavior to provide context

==Queries==

===Camino 2.0b4===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b4%3F Blocking ?] (7) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b4%2B Blocking +] (3) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} (but this is misleading since enabling safebrowsing is blocked on finishing it, and since doing *something* with the each of the l10n bugs below also blocks b4) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b4- Blocking -] (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=l10n&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b4%3F&field0-0-1=flagtypes.name&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=camino2.0b4%2B&field0-0-2=flagtypes.name&type0-0-2=equals&value0-0-2=camino2.0%3F&field0-0-3=flagtypes.name&type0-0-3=equals&value0-0-3=camino2.0%2B&field0-0-4=target_milestone&type0-0-4=equals&value0-0-4=Camino2.0 l10n] ('''10''') {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} 

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (18) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F Blocking ?] (13) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B Blocking +] (4) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (686) {{greyText|['''+1''' since last week]}}''' need another round of “CLOSEME”/UNCO'''

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-08-05&chfieldto=2009-08-12&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''8''') {{greyText|[unchanged]}} ('''6''' were 2.0-targeted; 1 was ad-blocking)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (5) {{greyText|[-2 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] (3) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}}

@@ Line 38: / Line 38: @@
 *** "Get me out of here" - {{bug|509468}}
 *** Menu patch waiting on the gone pink; has follow-up already
-*** Icon bug - {{bug| 509670}}
+*** Icon bug - {{bug|509670}}
 ** Keyboard loop - spawned about half-dozen new bugs; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
 ** Cocoa Widgets key blackhole -

@@ Line 6: / Line 6: @@
 ** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b3&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 234 (down from last week's number, which means slightly fewer in the past week<!--k-->)
 *** #1 <!--69--> is various other Flash-related crashes; Flash 10.0.32.18 should fix the {{BPsig|2.0b3|CFReadStreamGetStatus}} crash (25%)
-*** #2 <!--37--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (16%, down from 27%)
+*** #2 <!--38--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (16%, down from 27%)
 *** #3 <!--16--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_error}}/{{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_trap}}/{{BPsig|2.0b3|libobjc.A.dylib@0xeca0}} (7%)
 *** #4 <!--14-->is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort%20%7c%20nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent(int)}} (6%)
-*** #5 <--8--> is JEP on 10.6 (3%)
+*** #5 <!--8--> is JEP on 10.6 (possibly fixed in current JEP) (3%)
 *** #6 <!--4--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} ({{BPsig|2.0b3|-%5bNSWindow%20makeKeyWindow%5d}}) (2%)
 *** Lots of misc signatures (more Cocoa, especially appshell-related, filepicker, key/mouse events); more widely varied this week
@@ Line 17: / Line 17: @@
 * Camino 1.6.8
 ** Released eight weeks ago Monday
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM168/index.html Talkback] is broken; ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009061519&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.8 crashes] — 1620 so far, ~ +285 last week [bit lower than average])
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM168/index.html Talkback] is broken; ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009061519&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.8 crashes] — 1867 so far, ~ +247 last week [bit lower than average])
-*** #1 Flash is 27% of all 1.6.8 crashes so far (down from 33% peak)
+*** #1 Flash is 26% of all 1.6.8 crashes so far (down from 33% peak)
 *** #2 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libobjc}}
 *** #3 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|CoreFoundation}}
 *** #4 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|libSystem.B}}
 *** #5 {{TBsig|Camino16|2009061519|nsObjectFrame::NotifyContentObjectWrapper}}
-** Common comments: Flash logging out of Yahoo! Mail, CF loading nytimes.com
+** Common comments: Flash logging out of Yahoo! Mail, CF loading nytimes.com, espn.com
 * [[Releases:1.6.9:Links|Camino 1.6.9]]
 ** Gecko work wrapping up; tree is no longer burning

@@ Line 4: / Line 4: @@
 * Camino 2.0b3
 ** Released ten weeks ago Thursday
-** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b3&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 296 (unchanged from last week's number<!--, which means slightly more in the past week-->)
+** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b3&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 234 (down from last week's number, which means slightly fewer in the past week<!--k-->)
-*** #1 <!--65--> is various other Flash-related crashes; Flash 10.0.32.18 should fix the {{BPsig|2.0b3|CFReadStreamGetStatus}} crash (22%)
+*** #1 <!--69--> is various other Flash-related crashes; Flash 10.0.32.18 should fix the {{BPsig|2.0b3|CFReadStreamGetStatus}} crash (25%)
-*** #2 <!--60--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (20%, down from 27%)
+*** #2 <!--37--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (16%, down from 27%)
-*** #3 <!--25--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_error}}/{{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_trap}}/{{BPsig|2.0b3|libobjc.A.dylib@0xeca0}} (8%)
+*** #3 <!--16--> is {{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_error}}/{{BPsig|2.0b3|_objc_trap}}/{{BPsig|2.0b3|libobjc.A.dylib@0xeca0}} (7%)
-*** #4 <!--23-->is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort%20%7c%20nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent(int)}} (8%)
+*** #4 <!--14-->is {{BPsig|2.0b3|nsObjCExceptionLogAbort%20%7c%20nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent(int)}} (6%)
-*** #5 <!--4--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} ({{BPsig|2.0b3|-%5bNSWindow%20makeKeyWindow%5d}}) (1%)
+*** #5 <--8--> is JEP on 10.6 (3%)
-*** Big jump in _objc_error and friends crashes this week
+*** #6 <!--4--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} ({{BPsig|2.0b3|-%5bNSWindow%20makeKeyWindow%5d}}) (2%)
 *** Lots of misc signatures (more Cocoa, especially appshell-related, filepicker, key/mouse events); more widely varied this week
 *** First crash with CamiNoScript (cl was to contact Raphael): ({{bp|52aa4c63-e7ac-418f-97b1-1dcec2090718}})

@@ Line 13: / Line 13: @@
 *** Big jump in nsObjCExceptionLogAbort | nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent crashes this week
 *** Lots of misc signatures (more Cocoa, especially appshell-related, filepicker, key/mouse events); more widely varied this week
-*** First crash with CamiNoScript: ({{bp|52aa4c63-e7ac-418f-97b1-1dcec2090718}})
+*** First crash with CamiNoScript (cl was to contact Raphael): ({{bp|52aa4c63-e7ac-418f-97b1-1dcec2090718}})
 * Camino 2.0b4
-** Code freeze?
+** Code freeze in a week?
 * Camino 1.6.8
 ** Released eight weeks ago Monday
@@ Line 26: / Line 26: @@
 ** Common comments: Flash logging out of Yahoo! Mail, CF loading nytimes.com
 * [[Releases:1.6.9:Links|Camino 1.6.9]]
-** Gecko work beginning; tree currently burning
+** Gecko work wrapping up; tree is no longer burning
 ** Flashblock and ad-blocking for us
 * [[Development:Summer of Code 2009|Summer of Code 2009]]
@@ Line 35: / Line 35: @@
 * Camino 2.0
 ** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
-** Anti-phishing - [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 lots of follow-ups]
+** Anti-phishing - [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 follow-ups decreasing] (8)
-*** New UI mockups for overlay; what about return? - {{bug|480207}}
+*** Turned on Monday!
-*** Menu patch waiting on the gone pink, but can't land until we turn on, either
+*** "Get me out of here" - {{bug|509468}}
-*** Sam getting back in touch with Google
+*** Menu patch waiting on the gone pink; has follow-up already
 ** Keyboard loop - spawned about half-dozen new bugs; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
 ** Cocoa Widgets key blackhole -
-** [http://tinyurl.com/qbyt76 Tabsposé] - [http://twitter.com/dlouhy/status/2738199183]
+** [http://tinyurl.com/qbyt76 Tabsposé] -
 ** breakpad - {{bug|489123}} for follow-ups
-** CJK/fonts tab -
+** Fonts tab - Need to check out hendy's resize code, but current pane is shippable
 ** UTF-8 -
 ** Zoom -
@@ Line 49: / Line 50: @@
 ** Gecko strings l10n - no .dtd solution yet; .properties landed (some don't work; see [[User:Sardisson/Localizing Gecko Strings]])
 ** 10.5 UI
-*** Bookmark/tab bar - Landed; need to watch for 10.4 feedback
+*** Bookmark/tab bar - Landed;
 *** Folders - main bug landed, still debating "up" for dirListing
 *** Icon work for 2.0 - Sam promised updates months ago
 ** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews
 * Tinderboxen
 ** boxset