Status Meetings:2009-10-07:Agenda - Revision history

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ bugs, bugs, bugs

2009-10-07T05:29:13Z

General Plans: bugs, bugs, bugs

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ go go gadget talkback

2009-10-07T05:28:08Z

General Plans: go go gadget talkback

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ save so NSApp sendEvent doesn't eat me

2009-10-07T04:59:08Z

General Plans: save so NSApp sendEvent doesn't eat me

Sardisson: all but crashes

2009-10-07T04:02:41Z

all but crashes

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Wed 07 October 9am PDT (16:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0b4
** Released three weeks ago Friday
** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b4&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 215 (+125 from last week's number)  - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
*** #1  is various other Flash-related crashes (24%)
*** #2  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} with GD (9%)
*** #3  is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (7%)
*** #4  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20__delayedPerformCleanup}} (10.6.1 version of nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent crash?)
*** #5  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|Foundation@0x41548}} (10.4.11 8S165 ppc _NSRaiseError)

*** -[NSApp sendEvent:], _objc_error/_objc_trap are way down at the moment
*** objc_msgSend crash in SecurityDialogs/nsPrompt - {{bp|99c0eab0-be11-4e73-8fdb-084b82090924}}
*** CHBrowserView saveInternal - {{bp|6b873d1e-02dd-4c8c-b500-87dd32090929}}
*** Lots of misc signatures
* Camino 1.6.10
** Last Tuesday
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''0''' so far
* [[Releases:1.6.11:Links|Camino 1.6.11]]
** nothing yet
* Camino 2.0
** Anti-phishing - [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 follow-ups decreasing] (2)
** Keyboard loop - spawned about half-dozen new bugs; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
** Cocoa Widgets key blackhole - Core part landed today
** [http://tinyurl.com/qbyt76 Tabsposé] - !seen jeff
** breakpad - {{bug|489123}} for [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=489123&hide_resolved=1 follow-ups]
** Zoom - just increment {{bug|493500}}; small change landed for b4
** Flash-Exposé crash {{bug|465178}} - skanky-but-working
** 10.6 Growl bug - have Growl 1.2 building against 10.4u now; need to integrate it back into Camino tree; will probably need 10.4-runtime testing
** 10.5 UI
*** Bookmark/tab bar
**** need to watch for 10.4 feedback
*** Icon work for 2.0 - Sam promised updates months ago on Downloads window; probably not making 2.0
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews
* Tinderboxen
** boxset
*** offline (again) due to power outage at Sam's
*** missing from tinderbox yet again {{bug|479999}}
*** currently tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
** cb-minibinus01 switched over to boxset-like config to be a temporary replacement; running Ts and Tdhtml
*** would like to get Tp working before switching back to normal config (need more static/PPC coverage)
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Queues are at a good level; good fixes last week, though still lower bug movement than we'd like.

==Specific bugs that need action==

* See “Camino 2.0” section above

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
*** need updates from Sam
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
* UNCOs
** {{Bug|467851}} - Floating Tab Previews
** {{Bug|468262}} - Use grabbed hand cursor during tab dragging
** {{Bug|458427}} - Data detectors for dates/times for iCal integration
** {{Bug|404515}} - Found items (as result of Find command) are hard to distinguish in the page
** {{Bug|391684}} - AppleScript: Closing browser window w/ multiple tabs prompts user
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems
** {{Bug|286280}} - provide mechanism for resizing <select> lists
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems (specifically, does Stuart have any further commentary on the first part of comment 4?)
** {{Bug|381295}} - Change tab scroll-to-view behavior to provide context

==Queries==

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (13) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F Blocking ?] (12) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B Blocking +] (3) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -] (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (691) {{greyText|['''-2''' since last week]}}''' need another round of “CLOSEME”/UNCO'''

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-09-30&chfieldto=2009-10-07&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''8''') {{greyText|[+4 since last week]}} ('''7''' were 2.0-targeted; )

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (5) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] ('''5''') {{greyText|[+3 since last week]}}

@@ Line 29: / Line 29: @@
 ** Anti-phishing - [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 follow-ups decreasing] (2)
 ** Keyboard loop - spawned about half-dozen new bugs; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
-** Cocoa Widgets key blackhole - Core part landed today
+** Cocoa Widgets key blackhole - landed; several regressions
 ** [http://tinyurl.com/qbyt76 Tabsposé] - !seen jeff
 ** breakpad - {{bug|489123}} for [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=489123&hide_resolved=1 follow-ups]
 ** Zoom - just increment {{bug|493500}}; small change landed for b4
-** Flash-Exposé crash {{bug|465178}} - skanky-but-working
+** Flash-Exposé crash {{bug|465178}} - landed
-** 10.6 Growl bug - have Growl 1.2 building against 10.4u now; need to integrate it back into Camino tree; will probably need 10.4-runtime testing
+** 10.6 Growl bug - landed
 ** 10.5 UI
 *** Bookmark/tab bar

@@ Line 15: / Line 15: @@
 *** Lots of misc signatures
 * Camino 1.6.10
-** Last Tuesday
+** Released last Tuesday
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''0''' so far<!--, ~ +290 last week [still below average])
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''259''' so far<!--, ~ +290 last week--> [still below average]
-*** #1 Flash is 28% of all 1.6.9 crashes so far (down from 1.6.8's 33% peak)
+*** #1 Flash is 16% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
-*** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins
+*** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument}}
-*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff18}}
+*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|AppKit}} on 10.3.9
-*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flash, Real, DivX, Silverlight
+*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins, but also -[NativeScrollbarView trackScrollButtons:] {{TB|56442899}}, [http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=mozilla/camino/src/preferences/PreferenceManager.mm&rev=CAMINO_1_6_10_RELEASE&mark=1082#1082 readSystemProxySettings]
-*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}-->
+*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}
 * [[Releases:1.6.11:Links|Camino 1.6.11]]
 ** nothing yet

@@ Line 4: / Line 4: @@
 * Camino 2.0b4
 ** Released three weeks ago Friday
-** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b4&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 215 (+125 from last week's number) <!-- --> - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
+** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b4&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 262 (+47 from last week's number; far less crashy this week) <!-- --> - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
-*** #1 <!--51--> is various other Flash-related crashes (24%)
+*** #1 <!--61--> is various other Flash-related crashes (23%)
-*** #2 <!--20--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} with GD (9%)
+*** #2 <!--20--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (8%)
-*** #3 <!--15--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (7%)
+*** #3 <!--16--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} with GD (6%)
-*** #4 <!--11--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20__delayedPerformCleanup}} (10.6.1 version of nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent crash?)
+*** #4 <!--11--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|Foundation@0x41548}} / {{BPsig|2.0b4|_NSRaiseError}} (10.4.11 8S165 ppc)
-*** #5 <!--6--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|Foundation@0x41548}} (10.4.11 8S165 ppc _NSRaiseError)
+*** #5 <!--8--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20__delayedPerformCleanup}} (10.6.1 version of nsAppShell::ProcessNextNativeEvent crash?)
 <!--*** #2 --38-- is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (8%, down from 27%)-->
-*** -[NSApp sendEvent:], _objc_error/_objc_trap are way down at the moment
+*** -[NSApp sendEvent:], _objc_error/_objc_trap are down at the moment, but rising
-*** objc_msgSend crash in SecurityDialogs/nsPrompt - {{bp|99c0eab0-be11-4e73-8fdb-084b82090924}}
+*** objc_msgSend | postNotificationAndNotifyDelegate with 1Password - {{bp|d5d68825-a7a8-434c-8b99-4c60a2090926}} + others
 *** Lots of misc signatures
 * Camino 1.6.10