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Sardisson: /* General Plans */ oops

2009-10-21T04:16:45Z

General Plans: oops

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ talkback

2009-10-21T03:55:20Z

General Plans: talkback

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ déjà vu crash night

2009-10-21T03:44:59Z

General Plans: déjà vu crash night

Sardisson: bugs

2009-10-21T02:57:58Z

bugs

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Wed 21 October 9am PDT (16:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0b4
** Released five weeks ago Friday
** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b4&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 270 (+4 from last week's number; far, far less crashy this week)  - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
*** #1  is various other Flash-related crashes (22%)
*** #2  is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (8%)
*** #3  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|CFRelease}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?)
*** #4  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bChildView%20getScrollableView%5d}} (SmartScroll hack)
*** #4  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
*** #5  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} with GD (6%)
*** Lots of misc signatures
* Camino 1.6.10
** Released three weeks ago Tuesday
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''564''' so far, ~ +305 last week [still below average]
*** #1 Flash is 24% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
*** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins
*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument}}
*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache
*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff18}}

* [[Releases:1.6.11:Links|Camino 1.6.11]]
** Can take cookie exceptions fix and exceptions when viewing cookie list fix when ready
* Camino 2.0
** Anti-phishing - [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=358299&hide_resolved=1 follow-ups decreasing] (Focus bug - {{bug|522422}}, Ts regression, 10.5-only tooltip)
** Keyboard loop - spawned about half-dozen new bugs; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
** [http://tinyurl.com/qbyt76 Tabsposé] - !seen jeff
** breakpad - {{bug|489123}} for [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=489123&hide_resolved=1 follow-ups]
*** Upstreaming Breakpad translations?
** 10.5 UI
*** Bookmark/tab bar
**** need to watch for 10.4 feedback
*** Icon work for 2.0 - Sam promised updates months ago on Downloads window; probably not making 2.0
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews
** [[Releases:2.0:l10n|l10n status]] - green is good, pink is bad
** Privacy policy? - {{bug|522978}}
** Website - work begun on docs changes
* Tinderboxen
** boxset
*** offline (again) due to power outage at Sam's
*** missing from tinderbox yet again {{bug|479999}}
*** currently tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
** cb-minibinus01 switched over to boxset-like config to be a temporary replacement; running Ts and Tdhtml
*** would like to get Tp working before switching back to normal config (need more static/PPC coverage)
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Queues are at a good level; good fixes last week, though still lower bug movement than we'd like.

==Specific bugs that need action==

* See “Camino 2.0” section above

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
*** need updates from Sam
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
* UNCOs
** {{Bug|467851}} - Floating Tab Previews
** {{Bug|468262}} - Use grabbed hand cursor during tab dragging
** {{Bug|458427}} - Data detectors for dates/times for iCal integration
** {{Bug|404515}} - Found items (as result of Find command) are hard to distinguish in the page
** {{Bug|391684}} - AppleScript: Closing browser window w/ multiple tabs prompts user
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems
** {{Bug|286280}} - provide mechanism for resizing <select> lists
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems (specifically, does Stuart have any further commentary on the first part of comment 4?)
** {{Bug|381295}} - Change tab scroll-to-view behavior to provide context

==Queries==

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (6) {{greyText|[-4 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F Blocking ?] (10) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B Blocking +] (1) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -] (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (690) {{greyText|['''+5''' since last week]}}''' need another round of “CLOSEME”/UNCO'''

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-10-14&chfieldto=2009-10-21&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''11''') {{greyText|[unchanged]}} ('''9''' were 2.0-targeted; 1 was website)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (5) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] ('''3''') {{greyText|[unchanged]}}

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 *** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins
 *** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache
-*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}-->
+*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}
 *** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument}}
 <!--*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff18}}

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 * Camino 1.6.10
 ** Released three weeks ago Tuesday
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''564''' so far, ~ +305 last week<!-- --> [still below average]
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''847''' so far, ~ +280 last week<!-- --> [still below average]
 *** #1 Flash is 24% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
 *** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins
-*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument}}
+*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache
-*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache
+*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}-->
-*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff18}}
+*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument}}
-<!--*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|AppKit}} on 10.3.9
+<!--*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff18}}
-*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}-->
+*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|CoreFoundation}}
 * [[Releases:1.6.11:Links|Camino 1.6.11]]
 ** Can take cookie exceptions fix and exceptions when viewing cookie list fix when ready

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 * Camino 2.0b4
 ** Released five weeks ago Friday
-** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b4&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 270 (+4 from last week's number; far, far less crashy this week) <!-- --> - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
+** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b4&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 266 (-4 from last week's number) <!-- --> - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
-*** #1 <!--60--> is various other Flash-related crashes (22%)
+*** #1 <!--47--> is various other Flash-related crashes (22%)
-*** #2 <!--21--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (8%)
+*** #2 <!--26--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bChildView%20getScrollableView%5d}} (SmartScroll hack)
-*** #3 <!--13--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|CFRelease}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?)
+*** #3 <!--24--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (8%)
-*** #4 <!--10--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bChildView%20getScrollableView%5d}} (SmartScroll hack)
+*** #4 <!--16--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|CFRelease}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?)
-*** #4 <!--10--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
+*** #5 <!--9--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_NSRaiseError}} / {{BPsig|2.0b4|Foundation@0x41548}} - 10.4.11 PPC
-*** #5 <!--9--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} with GD (6%)
+*** #6 <!--8--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
-*** Lots of misc signatures
+*** #7 <!--6--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} with swizzling / {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow(MethodSwizzling)%20nsCocoaWindow_NSWindow_sendEvent:%5d}}
 * Camino 1.6.10
 ** Released three weeks ago Tuesday
@@ Line 35: / Line 39: @@
 *** Icon work for 2.0 - Sam promised updates months ago on Downloads window; probably not making 2.0
 ** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews
-** [[Releases:2.0:l10n|l10n status]] - green is good, pink is bad
+** [[Releases:2.0:l10n|l10n status]] - green is good, pink is bad; not enough green
 ** Privacy policy? - {{bug|522978}}
 ** Website - work begun on docs changes