Status Meetings:2009-10-28:Agenda - Revision history

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ 1.6.10

2009-10-28T05:37:01Z

General Plans: 1.6.10

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ last b4 crash update

2009-10-28T05:15:57Z

General Plans: last b4 crash update

Sardisson: everything but crashes

2009-10-28T04:37:08Z

everything but crashes

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Wed 28 October 9am PDT (16:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* DST ends this weekend; next week meetings back to 1700 UTC
* Camino 2.0rc
** Built Mon evening after heroic last patch+review from smorgan and mento
** Pushed to SWUpdate Tues afternoon using update-check refactoring
* Camino 2.0
** Currently targeting Tuesday release, provided l10n and web work are done
** [[Releases:2.0:l10n|l10n status]] - green is good, pink is bad; getting geener
** Website
*** Most of the way done with docs changes
*** Not started on rest of the site, but mostly little things in lots of places
*** Need to c/p Privacy policy ({{bug|522978}})
*** Sam will apply redesign
* Camino 2.0b4
** Released six weeks ago Friday
** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b4&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 266 (-4 from last week's number)  - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
*** #1  is various other Flash-related crashes (22%)
*** #2  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bChildView%20getScrollableView%5d}} (SmartScroll hack)
*** #3  is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (8%)
*** #4  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|CFRelease}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?)
*** #5  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_NSRaiseError}} / {{BPsig|2.0b4|Foundation@0x41548}} - 10.4.11 PPC
*** #6  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
*** #7  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} with swizzling / {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow(MethodSwizzling)%20nsCocoaWindow_NSWindow_sendEvent:%5d}}
*** #7  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_objc_error}} - most sound like the Flash+Exposé crash, but some like the bookmarks crash
*** Mostly lots of misc signatures
*** Swizzling has re-appeared in all the NSWindow crashes (and other places, like this _objc_error bookmark crash {{bp|f883dfe0-b66c-4b06-b0b1-38d4d2091013}} and this _NSRaiseError bookmark crash {{bp|e1f89c78-8aaa-42ac-b17f-eaf4f2091007}}); what happened?
*** More crashes trying to add (our) toolbar buttons when 1Passwd is installed
* Camino 1.6.10
** Released four weeks ago Tuesday
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''847''' so far, ~ +280 last week [still below average]
*** #1 Flash is 24% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
*** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins
*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache
*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}
*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument}}

* [[Releases:1.6.11:Links|Camino 1.6.11]]
** Cookie exceptions fix and exceptions when viewing cookie list fix landed, plus CNN ad-blocking
** 1 nomination ({{bug|520424}}, crash on form submit)
* Camino 2.0
** Anti-phishing - Focus bug heroic fix - {{bug|522422}}; Ts regression, 10.5-only tooltip minused
** Keyboard loop - spawned about half-dozen new bugs; possibly a new crasher - {{bug|470159}}
** [http://tinyurl.com/qbyt76 Tabsposé] - tab loop and focus-loss-on-close fixed; !seen jeff
** breakpad - {{bug|489123}} for [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=489123&hide_resolved=1 follow-ups]
*** Upstreaming Breakpad translations - ardissone needs to remember to poke l10n, after the release craziness
** Icon work for 2.0 - Sam came through at last minute
*** new dl icons (except Resume; phiw has ready for 2.0.1)
*** more new prefs icons (except Downloads; needs work)
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews
* [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.1|Camino 2.1]]
** !seen dan
** Start thinking about other features
* Tinderboxen
** cb-xserve04
*** ~8min Depend builds, 29min Clobbers, currently running 2.0 and 2.1, Ts, uploading “hourlies”
** boxset
*** offline (again) due to power outage at Sam's
*** missing from tinderbox yet again {{bug|479999}}
*** currently tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
** cb-minibinus01 switched over to boxset-like config to be a temporary replacement; running Ts and Tdhtml
*** would like to get Tp working before switching back to normal config (need more static/PPC coverage)
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Queues are at a good level; very good fix count last few weeks.

==Specific bugs that need action==

* None

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
* UNCOs
** {{Bug|467851}} - Floating Tab Previews
** {{Bug|468262}} - Use grabbed hand cursor during tab dragging
** {{Bug|458427}} - Data detectors for dates/times for iCal integration
** {{Bug|404515}} - Found items (as result of Find command) are hard to distinguish in the page
** {{Bug|391684}} - AppleScript: Closing browser window w/ multiple tabs prompts user
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems
** {{Bug|286280}} - provide mechanism for resizing <select> lists
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems (specifically, does Stuart have any further commentary on the first part of comment 4?)
** {{Bug|381295}} - Change tab scroll-to-view behavior to provide context

==Queries==

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (2) {{greyText|[-4 since last week]}} [website meta, l10n check]
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F Blocking ?] (1) {{greyText|[-9 since last week]}} (if-respin) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B Blocking +] (0) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -] (7) {{greyText|[+6 since last week]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (687) {{greyText|['''-3''' since last week]}}''' need another round of “CLOSEME”/UNCO'''

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-10-21&chfieldto=2009-10-28&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''15''') {{greyText|[+4 since last week]}} ('''8''' were 2.0-targeted; 2 were l10n, 2 licensing, 1 each ad-blocking, software update)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (5) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] ('''2''') {{greyText|[unchanged]}}

@@ Line 30: / Line 30: @@
 * Camino 1.6.10
 ** Released four weeks ago Tuesday
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''847''' so far, ~ +280 last week<!-- --> [still below average]
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''1130''' so far, ~ +280 last week<!-- --> [still below average]
-*** #1 Flash is 24% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
+*** #1 Flash is 25% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
 *** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins
 *** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache
 *** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}
-*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument}}
+*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff18}}
-<!--*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff18}}
+<!--*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument}}
 *** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|AppKit}} on 10.3.9-->
 * [[Releases:1.6.11:Links|Camino 1.6.11]]

@@ Line 6: / Line 6: @@
 ** Built Mon evening after heroic last patch+review from smorgan and mento
 ** Pushed to SWUpdate Tues afternoon using update-check refactoring
 * Camino 2.0
 ** Currently targeting Tuesday release, provided l10n and web work are done
@@ Line 16: / Line 18: @@
 * Camino 2.0b4
 ** Released six weeks ago Friday
-** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b4&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 266 (-4 from last week's number) <!-- --> - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
+** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0b4&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 280 (up slightly from last week's number) <!-- --> - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
-*** #1 <!--47--> is various other Flash-related crashes (22%)
+*** #1 <!--75--> is various other Flash-related crashes (27%)
-*** #2 <!--26--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bChildView%20getScrollableView%5d}} (SmartScroll hack)
+*** #2 <!--39--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bChildView%20getScrollableView%5d}} (SmartScroll hack) (14%)
-*** #3 <!--24--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (8%)
+*** #3 <!--22--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (8%)
-*** #4 <!--16--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|CFRelease}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?)
+*** #4 <!--12--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|CFRelease}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?)
-*** #5 <!--9--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_NSRaiseError}} / {{BPsig|2.0b4|Foundation@0x41548}} - 10.4.11 PPC
+*** #5 <!--7--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
-*** #6 <!--8--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
+*** #5 <!--7--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} with swizzling / {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow(MethodSwizzling)%20nsCocoaWindow_NSWindow_sendEvent:%5d}}
-*** #7 <!--6--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} with swizzling / {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow(MethodSwizzling)%20nsCocoaWindow_NSWindow_sendEvent:%5d}}
+*** #5 <!--7--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_objc_error}} - asstd; most sound like the Flash+Exposé crash, but some like the bookmarks crash
-*** #7 <!--6--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_objc_error}} - most sound like the Flash+Exposé crash, but some like the bookmarks crash
+<!--*** #6 <!- -6- -> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_NSRaiseError}} / {{BPsig|2.0b4|Foundation@0x41548}} - 10.4.11 PPC-->
 *** Mostly lots of misc signatures
 * Camino 1.6.10
 ** Released four weeks ago Tuesday