Status Meetings:2009-11-04:Agenda - Revision history

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ crash, crash, crash

2009-11-04T05:46:50Z

General Plans: crash, crash, crash

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ 2.0

2009-11-04T05:23:50Z

General Plans: 2.0

Sardisson: /* Camino 2.0 */ not that

2009-11-04T04:50:46Z

Camino 2.0: not that

Sardisson: summaries

2009-11-04T04:49:49Z

summaries

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Wed 04 November 9am PST (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0rc
** Pushed to SWUpdate week-ago Tues afternoon
** Currently targeting Thursday release, provided swupdate and web work are done
** [[Releases:2.0:l10n|l10n status]] - green is good, pink is bad; getting greener
** Website
*** Docs changes done; everything else done except blog, update, privacy ({{bug|522978}}) and redesign-related pages (Home, Features)
*** Sam will apply redesign
** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - nnn  - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
*** #1  is various other Flash-related crashes (27%)
*** #2  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bChildView%20getScrollableView%5d}} (SmartScroll hack) (14%)
*** #3  is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (8%)
*** #4  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|CFRelease}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?)
*** #5  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
*** #5  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} with swizzling / {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow(MethodSwizzling)%20nsCocoaWindow_NSWindow_sendEvent:%5d}}
*** #5  is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_objc_error}} - asstd; most sound like the Flash+Exposé crash, but some like the bookmarks crash

*** Mostly lots of misc signatures
* Camino 1.6.10
** Released five weeks ago Tuesday
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''1130''' so far, ~ +280 last week [still below average]
*** #1 Flash is 25% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
*** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins
*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache
*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|CoreFoundation}}
*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}
*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff18}}

* [[Releases:1.6.11:Links|Camino 1.6.11]]
** Cookie exceptions fix and exceptions when viewing cookie list fix landed, plus CNN ad-blocking
** Several nominations; {{bug|520424}} (crash on form submit) and 10.6 Help search field would need patches
* Camino 2.0.1
** 8 nominations already
* [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.1|Camino 2.1]]
** !seen dan
** Start thinking about other features
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews
** Downloads prefPane icon and other icon tweaks
** Fixing minor bugs here and there
* Tinderboxen
** cb-xserve04
*** ~8min Depend builds, 29min Clobbers, currently running 2.0 and 2.1, Ts, uploading “hourlies”
** boxset
*** offline (again) due to power outage at Sam's
*** missing from tinderbox yet again {{bug|479999}}
*** were tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
** cb-minibinus01 switched over to boxset-like config to be a temporary replacement; running Ts and Tdhtml
*** would like to get Tp working before switching back to normal config (need more static/PPC coverage)
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Queues are at a good level; very good fix count last few weeks.

==Specific bugs that need action==

* None

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
* UNCOs
** {{Bug|467851}} - Floating Tab Previews
** {{Bug|468262}} - Use grabbed hand cursor during tab dragging
** {{Bug|458427}} - Data detectors for dates/times for iCal integration
** {{Bug|404515}} - Found items (as result of Find command) are hard to distinguish in the page
** {{Bug|391684}} - AppleScript: Closing browser window w/ multiple tabs prompts user
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems
** {{Bug|286280}} - provide mechanism for resizing <select> lists
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems (specifically, does Stuart have any further commentary on the first part of comment 4?)
** {{Bug|381295}} - Change tab scroll-to-view behavior to provide context

==Queries==

===Camino 2.0===
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (1) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} [l10n check]
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F Blocking ?] (0) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} (if-respin) 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B Blocking +] (1) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -] (8) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (689) {{greyText|['''+2''' since last week]}}''' need another round of “CLOSEME”/UNCO'''

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-10-28&chfieldto=2009-11-04&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''8''') {{greyText|[-7 since last week]}} ('''0''' were 2.0-targeted; 4 were website-for-2.0 & meta, 3 were possible 2.0.1 changes, 1 other)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (6) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] ('''1''') {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}}

@@ Line 25: / Line 25: @@
 * Camino 1.6.10
 ** Released five weeks ago Tuesday
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''1130''' so far, ~ +280 last week<!-- --> [still below average]
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''1272''' so far, ~ +140 last week<!-- --> [half of last week's increase; still below average]
-*** #1 Flash is 25% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
+*** #1 Flash is 26% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
 *** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins
-*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache
+*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}
-*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|CoreFoundation}}
+*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|CoreFoundation}}
-*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}
+*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache
 *** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff18}}
 <!--*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument}}

@@ Line 5: / Line 5: @@
 ** Pushed to SWUpdate week-ago Tues afternoon
 ** Currently targeting Thursday release, provided swupdate and web work are done
-** [[Releases:2.0:l10n|l10n status]] - green is good, pink is bad; getting greener
+** [[Releases:2.0:l10n|l10n status]] - green is good, pink is bad
 ** Website
 *** Docs changes done; everything else done except blog, update, privacy ({{bug|522978}}) and redesign-related pages (Home, Features)
 *** Sam will apply redesign
-** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - nnn <!-- (up slightly from last week's number) --> - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0b4 topcrashers by URL]
+** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?do_query=1&product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0&platform=mac&date=&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query= Breakpad] pseudo-topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 156 (about average for 1wk) - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0 topcrashers by URL]
-*** #1 <!--75--> is various other Flash-related crashes (27%)
+*** #1 <!--44--> is various other Flash-related crashes (28%)
-*** #2 <!--39--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bChildView%20getScrollableView%5d}} (SmartScroll hack) (14%)
+*** #2 <!--12--> is {{BPsig|2.0|CFRelease}} / {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20TFSInfo::~TFSInfo}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?) (8%)
-*** #3 <!--22--> is Flash+Exposé {{bug|465178}} (8%)
+*** #3 <!--9--> is {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} (GoogleDesktop) (6%)
-*** #4 <!--12--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|CFRelease}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?)
+*** #4 <!--4--> is {{BPsig|2.0|JS_CallTracer}}
-*** #5 <!--7--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
+*** #4 <!--4--> is {{BPsig|2.0|CFQSortArray}} (related to appshell/runloop)
-*** #5 <!--7--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} with swizzling / {{BPsig|2.0b4|-%5bNSWindow(MethodSwizzling)%20nsCocoaWindow_NSWindow_sendEvent:%5d}}
+*** #4 <!--4--> is {{BPsig|2.0|MacOSFontEntry::GetFontID}} - {{bug|514114}}
-*** #5 <!--7--> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_objc_error}} - asstd; most sound like the Flash+Exposé crash, but some like the bookmarks crash
+<!--*** #5 <!- -7- -> is {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
-<!--*** #6 <!- -6- -> is {{BPsig|2.0b4|_NSRaiseError}} / {{BPsig|2.0b4|Foundation@0x41548}} - 10.4.11 PPC-->
+*** #5 <!- -7- -> is {{BPsig|2.0|-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} with swizzling / {{BPsig|2.0|-%5bNSWindow(MethodSwizzling)%20nsCocoaWindow_NSWindow_sendEvent:%5d}}
 *** Mostly lots of misc signatures
 * Camino 1.6.10

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 ===Camino 2.0===
 * [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0] (1) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} [l10n check]<!--  -->
-* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F  Blocking ?] (0) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} (if-respin) <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
+* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F  Blocking ?] (0) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
 * [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B  Blocking +] (1) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} <!-- subtract FIXED here-->
 * [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -]  (8) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} <!--  -->