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Sardisson: /* General Plans */ bleh

2009-12-02T07:52:36Z

General Plans: bleh

Sardisson: all but crashes

2009-12-02T07:25:29Z

all but crashes

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Wed 02 December 9am PST (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0
** Released two weeks ago
*** Software update served updates that didn't work for several hours (oops)
*** Lots of positive reactions around the internet
*** Killer startup crashes :-(
** Website
*** Load was a killer again, but Sam was on the ball
*** Please file any bugs on the new design; some changes still to be implemented
** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Camino/2.0 Breakpad] topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 238 (a bit below average) - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0 topcrashers by URL]
*** #1  is various Flash-related crashes (30%)
*** #2  is {{BPsig|2.0|MacOSFontEntry::GetFontID}} - {{bug|514114}} (18%) - big jump with 10.6.2; jdaggett checked in a probable fix Tues
*** #3  is {{BPsig|2.0|CFRelease}} / {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20TFSInfo::~TFSInfo}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?) (2%) - appears fixed by 10.6.2
*** #4  is {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} (GoogleDesktop) (2%)
*** #5  is {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)

*** Crashes we expected to be fixed have indeed vanished
*** Mostly lots of misc signatures
* Camino 2.0.1
** Bugs landed Mon; rc1
** ML build was not showing in crash-stats; removing 'Int' from plist and friends
** Respin Tues evening for Gecko; looking at Thurs release if Sam can do website updates, else Fri
* Camino 1.6.10
** Released nine weeks ago Tuesday
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''1750''' so far, ~ +198 last week [still below average]
*** #1 Flash is 25% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
*** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins
*** #3 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|CoreFoundation}}
*** #4 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|0xfffeff20}}
*** #5 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libSystem.B}} - Flip4Mac, Real, Silverlight, DivX, SiteIconCache

* [[Releases:1.6.11:Links|Camino 1.6.11]]
** Cookie exceptions fix and exceptions when viewing cookie list fix landed, plus CNN ad-blocking
** Several nominations; {{bug|520424}} (crash on form submit) and 10.6 Help search field would need patches
* [[Releases:2.0.2:Links|Camino 2.0.2]]
** netError - one more crazy possibility, but not likely
* [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.1|Camino 2.1]]
** !seen dan
** Start thinking about other features; added a few things that came to mind
** CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews
** Downloads prefPane icon and other icon tweaks
** Fixing minor bugs here and there
** Gecko 1.9.1?
* Tinderboxen
** cb-xserve04
*** ~8min Depend builds, 29min Clobbers, currently running 2.0 and 2.1, Ts, uploading “hourlies”
** boxset
*** offline (again) due to power outage at Sam's
*** missing from tinderbox yet again {{bug|479999}}
*** were tracking Tp regression due to NSPR upgrade {{bug|465212}} - need ss did a backout for wtc, confirmed the cause, but the new code is correct, so regression will probably stay; new test to try for bz
** cb-minibinus01 switched over to boxset-like config to be a temporary replacement; running Ts and Tdhtml
*** would like to get Tp working before switching back to normal config (need more static/PPC coverage)
** What should we do with cb-minimaya01? Needs HD repair
** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Very slow since 2.0 freeze; hendy's patch needs a reviewer

==Specific bugs that need action==

* None

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
* UNCOs
** {{Bug|467851}} - Floating Tab Previews
** {{Bug|468262}} - Use grabbed hand cursor during tab dragging
** {{Bug|458427}} - Data detectors for dates/times for iCal integration
** {{Bug|404515}} - Found items (as result of Find command) are hard to distinguish in the page
** {{Bug|391684}} - AppleScript: Closing browser window w/ multiple tabs prompts user
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems
** {{Bug|286280}} - provide mechanism for resizing <select> lists
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems (specifically, does Stuart have any further commentary on the first part of comment 4?)
** {{Bug|381295}} - Change tab scroll-to-view behavior to provide context

==Queries==

===Camino 2.1a1===

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1a1%3F Blocking ?] (0)  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1a1%2B Blocking +] (0)  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1a1- Blocking -] (0) 

===Camino 2.1===

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.1&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.1] (9)  ''doesn't have any of the 2.1 planning bugs yet''
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1%3F Blocking ?] (0)  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1%2B Blocking +] (0)  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1- Blocking -] (0) 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (720) {{greyText|['''+26''' since last meeting]}}''' need another round of “CLOSEME”/UNCO'''

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2009-11-18&chfieldto=2009-12-02&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''16''') {{greyText|[+15 since last meeting]}} ('''1''' was 2.1-targeted; 5 were 2.0.1, 8 were website)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (4) {{greyText|[-2 since last meeting]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] ('''0''') {{greyText|[-2 since last meeting]}}

@@ Line 10: / Line 10: @@
 *** Load was a killer again, but Sam was on the ball
 *** Please file any bugs on the new design; some changes still to be implemented
-** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Camino/2.0 Breakpad] topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 238 (a bit below average) - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0 topcrashers by URL]
+** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Camino/2.0 Breakpad] topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 4462 (more than 2x the highs of Talkback, but now showing top 300 sigs, too) - '''NEW''' [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0 topcrashers by URL]
-*** #1 <!--71--> is various Flash-related crashes (30%)
+*** #1 <!--272--> is {{BPsig|2.0|MacOSFontEntry::GetFontID}} - {{bug|514114}} (6%) - jdaggett got confirmation from one of our users that 2.0.1pre stops the crash, and got some logs
-*** #2 <!--44--> is {{BPsig|2.0|MacOSFontEntry::GetFontID}} - {{bug|514114}} (18%) - big jump with 10.6.2; jdaggett checked in a probable fix Tues
+*** #2 <!--209--> is {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} - {{bug|530343}} (GoogleDesktop, Tabsposé, Printing) (5%)
-*** #3 <!--5--> is {{BPsig|2.0|CFRelease}} / {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20TFSInfo::~TFSInfo}} (10.6.1 unfixed version of {{bug|514921}}?) (2%) - appears fixed by 10.6.2
+*** #3 <!--163--> is some Flash crash (4%; would be closer to #1 if aggregated)
-*** #4 <!--4--> is {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} (GoogleDesktop) (2%)
+*** #4 <!--71--> is {{BPsig|2.0|gfxPlatform::GetCMSOutputProfile()}} - {{bug|529993}} (comments mentioning upgrading from 1.6.10 and "first launch"; surely CMS pref not set?) (2%)
-*** #5 <!--4--> is {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
+*** #5 <!--65--> is some Flash Beta crash (2%)
-<!--*** #4 <!- -4- -> is {{BPsig|2.0|JS_CallTracer}}
+<!--
 *** #4 <!- -4- -> is {{BPsig|2.0|CFQSortArray}} (related to appshell/runloop)
 *** #5 <!- -7- -> is {{BPsig|2.0|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
@@ Line 22: / Line 24: @@
 *** Crashes we expected to be fixed have indeed vanished
 *** Mostly lots of misc signatures
 * Camino 2.0.1
 ** Bugs landed Mon; rc1
 ** ML build was not showing in crash-stats; removing 'Int' from plist and friends
-** Respin Tues evening for Gecko; looking at Thurs release if Sam can do website updates, else Fri
+** rc2 respin Tues evening for Gecko; looking at Thurs release if Sam can do website updates, else Fri
 * Camino 1.6.10
 ** Released nine weeks ago Tuesday
-** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''1750''' so far, ~ +198 last week<!-- --> [still below average]
+** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs ss to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''2040''' before failing, ~ +290 last two weeksweek<!-- --> [still below average]
 *** #1 Flash is 25% of all 1.6.10 crashes so far (down from 1.6.9's 28% peak)
 *** #2 {{TBsig|16|2009092522|libobjc}} - mostly plug-ins