Status Meetings:2010-02-10:Agenda - Revision history

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ minor fixes

2010-02-10T07:21:30Z

General Plans: minor fixes

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ quick crash analysis

2010-02-10T07:19:11Z

General Plans: quick crash analysis

Sardisson: all but the 2.0.x crashes

2010-02-10T07:00:29Z

all but the 2.0.x crashes

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Wed 10 February 1pm PST (21:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
* Camino 2.0.1
** Released ten weeks ago Friday
** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Camino/2.0.1 Breakpad] topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 2477, ~ -900 (Also: [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0.1 topcrashers by URL])
*** Those numbers don't seem right, since the report includes 2477 crashes, not 70% of all 2477 crashes. Also showing massive drop in Flash crashes and drops across the board. Don't have recent 2wk user stats, but prior had been steady.
*** #1  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|Flash%20Player}} (25%)
*** #2  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|Flash%20Player-10.6+}} / {{BPsig|2.0.1|Flash%20Player-10.4+10.5}} / {{BPsig|2.0.1|FlashPlayer-10.6}} / {{BPsig|2.0.1|FlashPlayer-10.4-10.5}} (3%)
*** #3  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} - {{bug|530343}} - déjà vu crash: {{bug|458961}} (Core) aka {{bug|461715}} (Tabsposé) aka offscreen surfaces and exceptions - why didn't that fix this? (3%)
*** #4  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20Foundation@0x50ebf}} (10.4.11 -[NSException raise]; unknown) (2%)
*** #5  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (2%)
*** #6  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|CFQSortArray}} (related to appshell/runloop) (2%)
*** #7  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (2%)
*** #8  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20IdleTimerVector}} (Divx+WebKit+autorelease pools; see {{bug|509130}} and its regressions for the gory story) (2%)
*** #9  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bKeychainBrowserListener%20onLoadingCompleted:%5d}} (1%)
*** #10  is {{BPsig|2.0.1|Foundation@0x41548}} (10.4.11 _NSRaiseError; unknown) (2%)

*** Mostly lots of misc signatures
* Website
** Please file any bugs on the new design; some changes still to be implemented
* Camino 1.6.10
** Released nineteen weeks ago Tuesday
** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM1610/index.html Talkback] needs MoCo to set up report ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2009092522&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.10 crashes]) — '''1278''', ~ -200 last week


* [[Releases:1.6.11:Links|Camino 1.6.11]]
** Some new nominations (Flashblock, ad-blocking) depending on release date
** Some movement on the Gecko front, but still no date
* [[Releases:2.0.2:Links|Camino 2.0.2]]
** Gecko release 16 Feb
** Waiting on a new patch from cl for {{bug|532186}} (can't paste URLs into Flash exceptions list)
** Can we get someone to make the docshell change bz suggests? - {{bug|541743}} (top 20 crash)
** Have logging now for {{bug|541897}}; smorgan was going to look at the plug-in source as a next step[http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-02-03:Log#16:18]
** netError - one more crazy possibility, but not likely
* [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.1|Camino 2.1]]
** Most of the items from the list have been twiddled to reflect state, plus editorial comments
** Dan's perf patch under review, waiting on patch for checkin for 10.4?
** History migration
** Downloads prefPane icon and other icon tweaks
** Fixing minor bugs here and there
** Gecko 1.9.1? - deadline for info today
** Alpha 1
* Summer of Code 2010
* 2010 About.com Reader's Choice Awards - [http://browsers.about.com/od/allaboutwebbrowsers/ss/2010-readers-choice-awards-web-browsers-voting_6.htm Best Independent Web Browser] nominee

* AppZapper
** Updates?
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Still slow, but stuff going on that isn't showing up in bugs

==Specific bugs that need action==

* CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews

===Other (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
* UNCOs
** {{Bug|467851}} - Floating Tab Previews
** {{Bug|458427}} - Data detectors for dates/times for iCal integration
** {{Bug|404515}} - Found items (as result of Find command) are hard to distinguish in the page
** {{Bug|391684}} - AppleScript: Closing browser window w/ multiple tabs prompts user
** {{Bug|286280}} - provide mechanism for resizing <select> lists
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems (specifically, does Stuart have any further commentary on the first part of comment 4?)
** {{Bug|381295}} - Change tab scroll-to-view behavior to provide context

==Queries==

===Camino 2.1a1===

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1a1%3F Blocking ?] (2) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1a1%2B Blocking +] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1a1- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}} 

===Camino 2.1===

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.1&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.1] (17) {{greyText|[unchanged since last meeting]}}  ''has most of the 2.1 planning bugs now''
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1%3F Blocking ?] (7) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1%2B Blocking +] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (702) {{greyText|['''+1''' since last meeting]}} '''need  another round of “CLOSEME”/UNCO'''

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2010-02-03&chfieldto=2010-02-10&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''4''') {{greyText|[unchanged since last meeting]}} ('''1''' was 2.1-targeted; 1 was 2.0.2, 1 was 1.9.x-related)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (9) {{greyText|[+3 since last meeting]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] ('''0''') {{greyText|[-4 since last meeting]}}

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 ** Can we get someone to make the docshell change bz suggests? - {{bug|541743}} (top 10 crash)
 ** Have logging now for {{bug|541897}}; smorgan was going to look at the plug-in source as a next step[http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-02-03:Log#16:18]
 * [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.1|Camino 2.1]]
 ** Most of the items from the list have been twiddled to reflect state, plus editorial comments
@@ Line 52: / Line 51: @@
 ** Downloads prefPane icon and other icon tweaks
 ** Fixing minor bugs here and there
-** Gecko 1.9.1? - deadline for info today
+** Gecko 1.9.1? - deadline for info was last week
 ** Alpha 1
-* Summer of Code 2010
+* [[Development:Good_Bugs_and_Projects#Summer_of_Code_2010|Summer of Code 2010]]
 * 2010 About.com Reader's Choice Awards - [http://browsers.about.com/od/allaboutwebbrowsers/ss/2010-readers-choice-awards-web-browsers-voting_6.htm Best Independent Web Browser] nominee
 <!--* Tinderboxen

@@ Line 4: / Line 4: @@
 * Camino 2.0.1
 ** Released ten weeks ago Friday
-** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Camino/2.0.1 Breakpad] topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 2477, ~ -900  (Also: [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0.1 topcrashers by URL])
+** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Camino/2.0.1 Breakpad] topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 2719, ~ +300  (Also: [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0.1 topcrashers by URL])
-*** Those numbers don't seem right, since the report includes 2477 crashes, not 70% of all 2477 crashes.  Also showing massive drop in Flash crashes and drops across the board.  Don't have recent 2wk user stats, but prior had been steady.
+*** Those numbers don't seem right, since the report includes 2717 crashes, not 72% of all 2719 crashes - need to file a bug.
-*** #1 <!--618--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|Flash%20Player}} (25%)
+*** Uptick in sendEvent crashes, Armen's crash now a top 10
-*** #2 <!--71--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|Flash%20Player-10.6+}} / {{BPsig|2.0.1|Flash%20Player-10.4+10.5}} / {{BPsig|2.0.1|FlashPlayer-10.6}} / {{BPsig|2.0.1|FlashPlayer-10.4-10.5}} (3%)
+*** #1 <!--776--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|Flash%20Player}} (29%)
-*** #3 <!--64--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} - {{bug|530343}} - déjà vu crash: {{bug|458961}} (Core) aka {{bug|461715}} (Tabsposé) aka offscreen surfaces and exceptions - why didn't that fix this? (3%)
+*** #2 <!--73--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20nsNativeThemeCocoa::DrawPushButton}} - {{bug|530343}} - déjà vu crash: {{bug|458961}} (Core) aka {{bug|461715}} (Tabsposé) aka offscreen surfaces and exceptions - why didn't that fix this? (3%)
-*** #4 <!--63--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20Foundation@0x50ebf}} (10.4.11 -[NSException raise]; unknown) (2%)
+*** #3 <!--70--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (2%)
-*** #5 <!--57--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (2%)
+*** #4 <!--66--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|Flash%20Player-10.6+}} / {{BPsig|2.0.1|Flash%20Player-10.4+10.5}} / {{BPsig|2.0.1|FlashPlayer-10.6}} / {{BPsig|2.0.1|FlashPlayer-10.4-10.5}} (2%)
-*** #6 <!--53--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|CFQSortArray}} (related to appshell/runloop) (2%)
+*** #5 <!--57--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (2%)
-*** #7 <!--49--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug) (2%)
+*** #6 <!--55--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20Foundation@0x50ebf}} (10.4.11 -[NSException raise]; unknown) (2%)
-*** #8 <!--47--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20IdleTimerVector}} (Divx+WebKit+autorelease pools; see {{bug|509130}} and its regressions for the gory story) (2%)
+*** #7 <!--51--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20IdleTimerVector}} (Divx+WebKit+autorelease pools; see {{bug|509130}} and its regressions for the gory story) (2%)
-*** #9 <!--46--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bKeychainBrowserListener%20onLoadingCompleted:%5d}} (1%)
+*** #8 <!--46--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|CFQSortArray}} (related to appshell/runloop) (2%)
-*** #10 <!--40--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|Foundation@0x41548}} (10.4.11 _NSRaiseError; unknown) (2%)
+*** #9 <!--45--> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bKeychainBrowserListener%20onLoadingCompleted:%5d}} (1%) - {{bug|512730}} landed
 <!--
 *** #4 <!- -71- -> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|gfxPlatform::GetCMSOutputProfile()}} - {{bug|529993}} (comments mentioning upgrading from 1.6.10 and "first launch"; surely CMS pref not set?) (2%)
 *** #5 <!- -7- -> is {{BPsig|2.0.1|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} (unknown bug)
@@ Line 41: / Line 43: @@
 ** Gecko release 16 Feb
 ** Waiting on a new patch from cl for {{bug|532186}} (can't paste URLs into Flash exceptions list)
-** Can we get someone to make the docshell change bz suggests? - {{bug|541743}} (top 20 crash)
+** Can we get someone to make the docshell change bz suggests? - {{bug|541743}} (top 10 crash)
 ** Have logging now for {{bug|541897}}; smorgan was going to look at the plug-in source as a next step[http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-02-03:Log#16:18]
 ** netError - one more crazy possibility, but not likely