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==Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-03-17 15:43:07 -0400==

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| id="15:43" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:43 || || style="color: #555;" | » ardissone was promoted to operator by ChanServ.

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| id="15:43" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:43 || || style="color: #555;" | » ardissone changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-03-17:Agenda".

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| id="15:43" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:43 || || style="color: #555;" | » cl|out was promoted to operator by ardissone.

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| id="15:43" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:43 || || style="color: #555;" | » sauron joined the chat room.

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| id="15:43" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:43 || || style="color: #555;" | » sauron was promoted to operator by ChanServ.

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| id="15:50" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:50 || || style="color: #555;" | » pinkerton joined the chat room.

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| id="15:50" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:50 || || style="color: #555;" | » pinkerton was promoted to operator by ChanServ.

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| id="15:54" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:54 || || style="color: #555;" | » hendy joined the chat room.

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || || style="color: #555;" | » smorgan joined the chat room.

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || || style="color: #555;" | » hendy was promoted to operator by ardissone.

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || || style="color: #555;" | » smorgan was promoted to operator by ardissone.

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || || style="color: #555;" | » smorgan was promoted to operator by ChanServ.

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| id="16:02" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:02 || || style="color: #555;" | » kreeger joined the chat room.

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| id="16:02" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:02 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || lag +++ :P

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| id="16:02" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:02 || || style="color: #555;" | » kreeger was promoted to operator by ardissone.

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| id="16:03" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:03 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok, everyone please open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-03-17:Agenda in your Camino 2.0.2 or newer
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| id="16:04" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:04 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || first up, we released Cm1.6.11 on Monday and EOLed the 1.6.x series :D
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| id="16:05" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:05 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || so far it seems to be doing well, with flash being 50% fo the crashes :P\
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| id="16:05" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:05 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i'll keep an eye on the crashes for a little while to make sure there's nothing obvious, and then let it go off into the sunset
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| id="16:06" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:06 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || on the 2.0.2 crashes front
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| id="16:06" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:06 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || the sendEvent crashes are making a surge
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| id="16:06" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:06 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || :(
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| id="16:07" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:07 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || nothing we can really do about them until we have an idea what they are and how to trigger them :(

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| id="16:08" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:08 || || style="color: #555;" | » Wevah joined the chat room.

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| id="16:08" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:08 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anyone have anything else about 2.0.2?

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| id="16:08" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:08 || || style="color: #555;" | » Wevah was promoted to operator by ardissone.

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| id="16:10" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:10 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok, 2.0.3
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| id="16:10" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:10 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || same outstanding issues there: flashblock exceptions list needs new patch from cl
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| id="16:11" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:11 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || still waiting on someone to implement !clone so smorgan has time to have a day job, write features, sr patches, *and* investigate the nasty Flash-hiding bug on 10.6
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| id="16:12" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:12 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anyone have anything else on 2.0.3?
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| id="16:13" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:13 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok, moving on to the exciting stuff :P
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| id="16:13" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:13 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || if you've been under a rock or under snow or under rain or something
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| id="16:14" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:14 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || we are Morkless!

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| id="16:14" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:14 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | Wevah: || huzzah

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| id="16:14" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:14 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || hendy's history patch went in over the weekend
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| id="16:15" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:15 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || there's a 1-3% Ts hit
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| id="16:15" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:15 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || and a 0.6% codesize increase
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| id="16:16" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:16 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || hendy, smorgan: is the consensus on the Ts that there's nothing we can do to control the startup hit?

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| id="16:16" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:16 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | pinkerton: || :(

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| id="16:16" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:16 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || I don't know, I haven't profiled
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| id="16:16" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:16 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || If hendy's core->objc loading code is currently run at startup, then there is something we can do
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| id="16:17" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:17 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || (assuming that takes significant time, which I assume it does)

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| id="16:17" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:17 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | hendy: || it's not run at startup, afaict

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| id="16:17" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:17 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || Ah, bummer :(

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| id="16:18" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:18 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || should we open a placeholder bug for having some profile that, or no?

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| id="16:19" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:19 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || May as well I guess

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| id="16:19" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:19 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok

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| id="16:19" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:19 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || Worst case we'll profile startup and find nothing we can do differently
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| id="16:20" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:20 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || Getting a current breakdown for how much time we spend on what during startup would be nice regardless of history changes :)

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| id="16:20" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:20 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || :)
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| id="16:20" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:20 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok
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| id="16:21" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:21 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || on the 1.9.2 front, almost all of hendy's and my patches have been up for sr
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| id="16:21" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:21 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || (except the Downloads ones, iirc)
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| id="16:22" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:22 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || landed a bunch of them in the test repo
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| id="16:22" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:22 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || kreeger's great Gecko macros are not so great about not lying to us, though ;)
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| id="16:22" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:22 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || so hendy's got to redo the null checks

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| id="16:23" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:23 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | hendy: || smorgan: i was thinking for my revised patches to just replace most of the NS_ENSURE_SUCCESS calls with NS_ENSURE_TRUE for pointers I will dereference. No sense in having both macros for the same object, right?

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| id="16:23" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:23 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || (i think i've got that correct?)

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| id="16:24" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:24 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || hendy: The advantage to having the rv check is that we would get more specific failure information
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| id="16:24" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:24 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || hendy: I'm not sold on that really mattering that much, but kreeger seemed to think it's worth it
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| id="16:25" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:25 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || hendy: if you do keep both, put the rv check first

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| id="16:25" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:25 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | hendy: || k

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| id="16:26" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:26 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || we're basically one patch away from having Camino buildable from the test repo (the Focus changes)

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| id="16:26" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:26 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | hendy: || i'll respin that patch today

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| id="16:26" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:26 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || going to try and land the core packaging patch today, insha'allah

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| id="16:27" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:27 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || do we know how much work buildbots will be?

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| id="16:27" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:27 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || (or insha'ashshajra, perhaps)
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| id="16:27" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:27 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || no
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| id="16:27" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:27 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || but i have madhatter that's mostly workable
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| id="16:28" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:28 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i have no clue where to begin with buildbot and completely redoing our infra from 0
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| id="16:29" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:29 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || but i'm going to try and test-deploy madhatter on cb-x4 this week
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| id="16:30" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:30 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || and keep filing Core bugs on broken things
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| id="16:31" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:31 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || and follow up on the rest of the items in the to do section of my 1.9.x list
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| id="16:31" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:31 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || once we're buildable from the test repo, i'll have philippe file the focus bugs and cc smaug and enn
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| id="16:32" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:32 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anyone have anything else on 1.9.2 or 2.1 right now?
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| id="16:34" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:34 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || Ok
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| id="16:35" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:35 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || pink went through the SoC list since last meeting :) and promoted some projects
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| id="16:35" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:35 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || the big thing he skipped was checking out the Core draggable tabs patch to see if the api is embedding-friendly or not

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| id="16:35" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:35 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | pinkerton: || i left a couple behind cuz i wasn't sure if we really wanted them, or that they'd be enough work

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| id="16:36" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:36 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i think the list looks good :)
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| id="16:36" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:36 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Good_Bugs_and_Projects#Summer_of_Code_2010
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| id="16:36" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:36 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || it's a bit beefier than last year's list
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| id="16:37" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:37 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i've forgotten my calendar, but I think student applications begin next week?
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| id="16:39" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:39 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || tomorrow the approved orgs are announced
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| id="16:39" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:39 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || monday-after-next student apps begin
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| id="16:40" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:40 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || we'll still need to sort out the mentoring situation, though
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| id="16:41" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:41 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anything else on SoC now?
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| id="16:42" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:42 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok
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| id="16:42" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:42 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ss: are you here?
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| id="16:42" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:42 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || Generally, we've had a busy week, with lots of 1.9.2 patches generated and 12+ bugs landed in either cvs or the test repo :)
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| id="16:43" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:43 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || smorgan's done a bajillion reviews, i think
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| id="16:44" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:44 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || question: if pink sr+ the spotlight importer, would we want to try and take that in 2.0.x, since that's a "regression" thanks to Apple?

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| id="16:45" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:45 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || I'd be okay with that. Even if it turns out to have problems, it'll be better that what we have now

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| id="16:45" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:45 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok, that's sort-of where I was, too

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| id="16:46" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:46 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | pinkerton: || k

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| id="16:46" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:46 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || cl wanted some approval of the approach i outlined in bug 550816 comment 2 before he reviewed my patch
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| id="16:46" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:46 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550816#c2
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| id="16:47" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:47 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || which is basically "change the label name" and "bail if we find a places file"

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| id="16:47" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:47 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || What does the user see if we bail?

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| id="16:47" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:47 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || no Firefox option in the import pop-up

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| id="16:48" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:48 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || Then I'm for it

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| id="16:48" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:48 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok :)
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| id="16:48" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:48 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anyone have any other bugs or items?
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| id="16:50" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:50 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok then
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| id="16:51" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:51 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || we've had a productive week, so everyone enjoy themselves in moderation tonight, work on those 2.1 bugs and reviews, and have a good week :D
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Status Meetings:2010-03-17:Log - Revision history

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