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==Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-07-21 15:37:16 -0400==

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| id="15:37" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:37 || || style="color: #555;" | » ardissone was promoted to operator by ChanServ.

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| id="15:37" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:37 || || style="color: #555;" | » ardissone changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-07-21:Agenda".

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| id="15:37" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:37 || || style="color: #555;" | » cl was promoted to operator by ardissone.

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| id="15:50" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:50 || || style="color: #555;" | » hendy joined the chat room.

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| id="15:55" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:55 || || style="color: #555;" | » hendy was promoted to operator by ardissone.

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| id="15:59" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 15:59 || || style="color: #555;" | » smorgan joined the chat room.

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| id="16:00" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:00 || || style="color: #555;" | » smorgan was promoted to operator by ardissone.

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| id="16:00" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:00 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || smorgan: pink?

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| id="16:00" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:00 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || Checking
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| id="16:00" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:00 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || I need to fix calendar
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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || Looks like no pink

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || calendar?

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || || style="color: #555;" | » pinkerton joined the chat room.

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || || style="color: #555;" | » pinkerton was promoted to operator by ChanServ.

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || heh

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || I had a calendar entry, but I forgot to extend it

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || oh

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | pinkerton: || i have another meeting now, so i won't be paying much attention
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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | pinkerton: || that too

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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || k
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| id="16:01" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:01 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || we'll ping you when appropriate ;)
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| id="16:02" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:02 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || which reminds me, i need to check the dates in crash-stats again :(
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| id="16:03" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:03 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-07-21:Agenda
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| id="16:03" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:03 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || We had a bad week this week
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| id="16:03" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:03 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i think this is the highest our crash total has ever been

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| id="16:03" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:03 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | pinkerton: || suck

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| id="16:04" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:04 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || the increase over last week can almost entirely be covered by the increase in Flash crashes over last week, though :P
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| id="16:04" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:04 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || gah
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| id="16:04" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:04 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i forgot to update the %s again
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| id="16:05" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:05 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || we have one topcrash we can entirely eliminate, thought
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| id="16:05" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:05 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || though*
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| id="16:06" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:06 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || which is the 10.1 version of Flash deallocating its windows too soon
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| id="16:06" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:06 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || stuart has a patch for that, in pink's queue

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| id="16:06" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:06 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | pinkerton: || sorry i know i have stuff in my q

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| id="16:06" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:06 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || :)
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| id="16:07" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:07 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || other than that, nothing really new; the baffling KeychainBrowserListener crash remains high
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| id="16:07" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:07 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || last week's mysterious nsSimpleGlobalHistory crash had no new incidents
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| id="16:07" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:07 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || so clearly it just didn't like July 9th :P
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| id="16:08" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:08 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || there is a Growl-related crash
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| id="16:08" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:08 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?product=Camino&version=Camino%3A2.0.3&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=copyIconDataForURL&date=07%2F21%2F2010%2013%3A08%3A06&range_value=2&range_unit=weeks&hang_type=any&process_type=any&plugin_field=&plugin_query_type=&plugin_query=&do_query=1&admin=&signature=copyIconDataForURL
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| id="16:08" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:08 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || :P
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| id="16:08" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:08 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || stupid socorro urls
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| id="16:09" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:09 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i guess it's probably something in the OS
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| id="16:10" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:10 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || not sure if Growl is doing all it can to avoid it or not
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| id="16:10" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:10 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || (seems like it's crashing trying to get our app icon)
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| id="16:11" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:11 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anyone have anything else on 2.0.3?
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| id="16:12" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:12 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok
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| id="16:12" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:12 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || as mentioned last week, we pushed an additional update prompt for 1.6.x users on 10.4+
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| id="16:13" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:13 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || we'll want to get some stats and see if it helped ;)
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| id="16:13" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:13 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || sam provided his stats script over the weekend

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| id="16:13" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:13 || || style="color: #555;" | » ilya joined the chat room.

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| id="16:13" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:13 || || style="color: #555;" | » ilya was promoted to operator by ardissone.

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| id="16:13" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:13 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || I updated the graphs with the data you entered, at it looks like we have ~90% compliance on 10.4/10.5 at this point
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| id="16:13" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:13 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || So that's not terrible

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| id="16:13" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:13 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ?
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| id="16:14" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:14 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i entered 3 random days in January

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| id="16:14" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:14 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || 90% of people on 10.4/5 are using 2.0

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| id="16:14" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:14 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || oh, nice

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| id="16:14" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:14 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || There was something at the end that wasn't in the graphs
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| id="16:14" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:14 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || I thought you'd updated more

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| id="16:15" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:15 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || no, but sam did do week-before-last
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| id="16:16" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:16 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anyway, http://hg.mozilla.org/camino/file/tip/tools/stats/generate_update_statistics is full of fun, but it works
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| id="16:17" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:17 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || :)
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| id="16:17" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:17 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anything else on 1.6.x or stats?
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| id="16:18" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:18 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || on to 2.0.4
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| id="16:18" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:18 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i posted the 90%-fix for the unescaping bug
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| id="16:19" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:19 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || I also went through and requested approvals on the new JEP and the vast majority of browser-based security bugs patched since MoCo stopped landing stuff on 1.9.0
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| id="16:20" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:20 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || my understanding was that dveditz was going to try to get to them this week, but maybe i misunderstood or the recent outbreaks have got him elsewhere
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| id="16:20" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:20 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || hendy: any news on Flashblock whitelist? ;)

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| id="16:20" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:20 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | hendy: || gah, no. sorry.

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| id="16:21" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:21 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || smorgan: wacky metadata bug is behind the 2.1a1 autocomplete perf bug on your list, i assume?

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| id="16:21" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:21 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || Yes, and I haven't had time for either since last week I'm afraid

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| id="16:22" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:22 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || mm
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| id="16:22" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:22 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || the likely outcome is that we'll minus Flashblock and wacky metadata
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| id="16:22" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:22 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || but we'll let them float while we wait on other stuff
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| id="16:23" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:23 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || I still have to get to ad-blocking :(
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| id="16:23" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:23 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anything else on 2.0.4?
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| id="16:24" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:24 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok, on to 2.1!
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| id="16:24" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:24 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || murph posted a patch for restoring swipe!
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| id="16:26" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:26 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || currently it's in smorgan's r queue; we talked informally over the weekend about whether we could find someone else to do the r in order to let stuart focus what time he had on autocomplete perf
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| id="16:27" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:27 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i guess we determined that hendy could do a code review, but he can't test, so…
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| id="16:27" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:27 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i guess we could ping kreeger, too?

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| id="16:28" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:28 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || I'll try to get to the review

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| id="16:28" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:28 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok
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| id="16:28" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:28 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || missing gestures are one of the most common complaints from people, so it would be good to get at least some of them back for a1
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| id="16:29" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:29 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || i don't think we have any other news on 2.1/a1
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| id="16:30" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:30 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || we're basically down to the autocomplete perf issue and two bugs now with patches
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| id="16:30" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:30 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anyone have anything else on 2.1/a1?

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| id="16:30" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:30 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | smorgan: || Hopefully I'll have more time for autocomplete this weekend

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| id="16:31" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:31 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || crosses fingers :)
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| id="16:31" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:31 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || (and for pink to have time for his queue, too) :)
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| id="16:33" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:33 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || in terms of "bye-the-bye", that embedding crasher on m-c looks like it finally has a patch that would stop the crash, but pretty much the entire world has broken since then, so too little, too late
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| id="16:34" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:34 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || anyone have anything else on anything else today?
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| id="16:35" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:35 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || ok then
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| id="16:36" style="color: #555; font-size: 80%; vertical-align: top;" | 16:36 || style="font-weight: bold; color: firebrick; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;" | ardissone: || everyone have a good week, and please work on 2.0.4/2.1a1 bugs/reviews :)
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