Status Meetings:2010-10-06:Agenda - Revision history

Sardisson: /* Other Items */ su

2010-10-06T18:52:08Z

Other Items: su

Sardisson: /* General Plans */ ilya and reviews

2010-10-06T06:37:32Z

General Plans: ilya and reviews

Sardisson: /* Current Release */ crashes suck

2010-10-06T06:21:36Z

Current Release: crashes suck

Sardisson: all but crashes

2010-10-06T05:33:14Z

all but crashes

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Wed 06 Oct 1pm PDT (20:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

==General Plans==
===Current Release===
* Camino 2.0.4
** Released 6 weeks ago Thursday, after much tribulation
** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Camino/2.0.4 Breakpad] topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 3014 (71.90%) (+13; staying a bit below1 average) (Also: [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0.4 topcrashers by URL])
*** Top sites: facebook, youtube, google, caminobrowser.org, tinychat, gmail
*** KeychainBrowserListener is top single crash; Flash 10.1 crashes rising; sudden spike in {{bug|458645}} (startup font crash)
*** Crash in AddressBook (how?): http://tinyurl.com/2cc7fhx
*** #1  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|Flash%20Player}} (14%)
*** #2  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bKeychainBrowserListener%20onLoadingCompleted:%5d}} (5%) - {{bug|512730}} didn't help
*** #3  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|Flash%20Player-10.6+}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|Flash%20Player-10.4+10.5}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|FlashPlayer-10.6}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|FlashPlayer-10.4-10.5}} (5%)
*** #4  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|AppKit@0x6412c}} (unknown bug) (3%)
*** #5  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|libobjc.A.dylib@0x5ed7}} (unknown bug) (2%)
*** #6  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20_nsnote_callback}} (mostly related to closing windows with a mouse) (2%)
*** #7  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|HashString(nsAString_internal%20const%26)}} ({{bug|458645}}) (1%)
*** #8  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|_objc_error}} (unknown bug) (1%)
*** #9  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20Foundation@0x50ebf}} (10.4.11 -[NSException raise]; assorted unknown exceptions) (1%)
*** #10  is {{BPsig|2.0.4|CFQSortArray}} (related to appshell/runloop) (1%)


===Other Releases===
* Camino 1.6.11
** Released 29 weeks ago Monday; EOL for 1.6.x
** Back-to-school plus log issues makes analysis difficult of late, but numbers don't seem to be going down atm.
* [[Releases:2.0.5:Links|Camino 2.0.5]]
** Tentatively was to be last wk
** KeychainBrowserListener - Stuart has a shutdown fix; anything for in-use?
** Security fixes
** {{bug|569258}} - bookmarks metadata madness
** {{bug|532186}} - can't paste URLs into Flash exceptions list - hendy's been offline
** Death-by-Flash-logging {{bug|541897}}; philippe found that drawing models did cause this
** Have new "Profile Startup" bug ({{bug|556428}}) covering about year+ of Ts regressions
* [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.1|Camino 2.1]]
** Most of the items from the list have been twiddled to reflect state, plus editorial comments
** autocomplete perf - Stuart landing pieces and posting new WIPs; generally better
** Gecko 1.9.2 update - ([[User:Sardisson/Gecko_1.9.2_Bugs|tracking for bugs+issues]]; mostly filed, but need to get focus-related bugs filed)
*** Gecko focus/blackholes - new meta filed ({{bug|600483}}); more bugs appearing: {{bug|576821}}, {{bug|577059}}, {{bug|600187}}, {{bug|581491}}
*** Nightly builds - {{bug|560323}} tracking some nightly-related things still needing to be finalized, but nothing critical
*** No progress on patch-free 10.6 building (mozsqlite+friends) in a long time; WierdAl put up a non-working patch last week-end
** Alpha 1 - any clearer on dates?
* Gecko 2.0 fka 1.9.3 - on ice

===Other Items===
* Tinderboxen
** cb-xserve04 had 100ms Ts loss event a few months ago - {{bug|567813}}
* AppZapper
* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
** Still pretty slow week; pink did srs

===Specific bugs that need action===

* Need feedback from smorgan on BOOL name for {{bug|601770}}
* Need feedback from smorgan/pink on code arrangement for {{bug|458259}}
* Need hints from smorgan/murph on {{bug|585535}} - getting diagnostic URL into SafeBrowsingAboutModule
* Adding a "show cert" button to the technical details of about:certerror needs lots of plumbing
* Need test code for 10.5 AppKit menu changes (Cmd-=, alternates/NSEvents)

* CBSamplePane - awaiting reviews

===Other bugs (if there's time)===

* 10.5 Visual UX
** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
* UNCOs
** {{bug|549280}} - Show bookmark name in Bookmark Bar context menu
** {{Bug|467851}} - Floating Tab Previews
** {{Bug|458427}} - Data detectors for dates/times for iCal integration
** {{Bug|404515}} - Found items (as result of Find command) are hard to distinguish in the page
** {{Bug|391684}} - AppleScript: Closing browser window w/ multiple tabs prompts user
** {{Bug|286280}} - provide mechanism for resizing <select> lists
** {{Bug|386574}} - Close tab too close to favicon causing drag'n'drop problems (specifically, does Stuart have any further commentary on the first part of comment 4?)
** {{Bug|381295}} - Change tab scroll-to-view behavior to provide context

==Queries==

===Camino 2.1a1===

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1a1%3F Blocking ?] (3) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1a1%2B Blocking +] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}} 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1a1- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}} 

===Camino 2.1===

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.1&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.1] (21) {{greyText|[unchanged since last meeting]}}  ''has most of the 2.1 planning bugs and most essential Gecko 1.9.2-related bugs now''
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1%3F Blocking ?] (25) {{greyText|[+2 since last meeting]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1%2B Blocking +] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}}  
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.1- Blocking -] (0) {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}} 

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target] (800) {{greyText|['''+6''' since last meeting]}} '''need  another round of “CLOSEME”/UNCO'''

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2010-09-29&chfieldto=2010-10-06&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting] ('''1''') {{greyText|[unchanged since last week]}} ('''0''' were 2.1-targeted; 1 was IT)

==Queues==

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review] (9) {{greyText|[+2 since last week]}}  ''most old; cl owes ilya a review from Jan''
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview] ('''2''') {{greyText|[-2 since last week]}}

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 ===Other Items===
 * Tinderboxen
 ** cb-xserve04 had 100ms Ts loss event a few months ago - {{bug|567813}}
 * AppZapper

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 * AppZapper
 * Weekly Bugs and Queues update
-** Still pretty slow week; pink did srs
+** Still pretty slow week; pink did srs.  ilya's now in the pool for reviews (did his first one Tues), so feel free to tag him.
 ===Specific bugs that need action===

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 * Camino 2.0.4
 ** Released 6 weeks ago Thursday, after much tribulation
-** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Camino/2.0.4 Breakpad] topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 3014 (71.90%) (+13; staying a bit below1 average)<!-- -->  (Also: [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0.4 topcrashers by URL])
+** [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Camino/2.0.4 Breakpad] topcrash report for the last 2 weeks - 3431 (70.80%) (+417; leaped back up)<!-- -->  (Also: [http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byurl/Camino/2.0.4 topcrashers by URL])
-*** Top sites: facebook, youtube, google, caminobrowser.org, tinychat, gmail
+*** Top sites: facebook, caminobrowser.org, google, tinychat, youtube, gmail
-*** KeychainBrowserListener is top single crash; Flash 10.1 crashes rising; sudden spike in {{bug|458645}} (startup font crash)
+*** KeychainBrowserListener is top single crash; sudden spike in {{bug|458645}} (startup font crash for second week in row; almost entirely 10.4.11 PPC); big switch at the low end
-*** Crash in AddressBook (how?): http://tinyurl.com/2cc7fhx
+*** #1 <!--542--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|Flash%20Player}} (16%)
-*** #1 <!--431--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|Flash%20Player}} (14%)
+*** #2 <!--176--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bKeychainBrowserListener%20onLoadingCompleted:%5d}} (5%) - {{bug|512730}} didn't help
-*** #2 <!--163--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bKeychainBrowserListener%20onLoadingCompleted:%5d}} (5%) - {{bug|512730}} didn't help
+*** #3 <!--135--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|AppKit@0x6412c}} (unknown bug) (4%)
-*** #3 <!--159--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|Flash%20Player-10.6+}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|Flash%20Player-10.4+10.5}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|FlashPlayer-10.6}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|FlashPlayer-10.4-10.5}} (5%)
+*** #4 <!--117--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|Flash%20Player-10.6+}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|Flash%20Player-10.4+10.5}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|FlashPlayer-10.6}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|FlashPlayer-10.4-10.5}} (3%)
-*** #4 <!--85--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSWindow%20sendEvent:%5d}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|AppKit@0x6412c}} (unknown bug) (3%)
+*** #5 <!--116--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|libobjc.A.dylib@0x5ed7}} / {{BPsig|2.0.4|libobjc.A.dylib@0x5edb}} (unknown bug) (2%)
-*** #5 <!--74--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20-%5bNSApplication%20sendEvent:%5d}}  / {{BPsig|2.0.4|libobjc.A.dylib@0x5ed7}} (unknown bug) (2%)
+*** #6 <!--78--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|HashString(nsAString_internal%20const%26)}} ({{bug|458645}}) (2%)
-*** #6 <!--50--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20_nsnote_callback}} (mostly related to closing windows with a mouse) (2%)
+*** #7 <!--29--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|JS_CallTracer}} (assorted Core bugs) (1%)
-*** #7 <!--43--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|HashString(nsAString_internal%20const%26)}} ({{bug|458645}}) (1%)
+*** #8 <!--28--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|_objc_error}} (unknown bug) (1%)
 *** #9 <!--27--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20Foundation@0x50ebf}} (10.4.11 -[NSException raise]; assorted unknown exceptions) (1%)
-*** #10 <!--25--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|CFQSortArray}} (related to appshell/runloop) (1%)
+*** #9 <!--27--> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|objc_msgSend%20%7c%20IdleTimerVector}} (Divx+WebKit+autorelease pools; see {{bug|509130}} and its regressions for the gory story) (1%)
 <!--
 *** #10 <!- -29- -> is {{BPsig|2.0.4|pthread_mutex_lock}} (related to Veetle and Move-Media-Player) (1%)