User talk:Froodian:MenuCleanup - Revision history

Froodian at 21:52, 30 September 2006

2006-09-30T21:52:30Z

Froodian: /* From delliott */

2006-08-16T20:11:15Z

From delliott

Delliott: /* From delliott */

2006-08-16T15:13:50Z

From delliott

Delliott at 09:48, 16 August 2006

2006-08-16T09:48:03Z

Froodian: /* From ss */

2006-08-12T23:59:21Z

From ss

Froodian: /* From ss */ /me signs his work

2006-08-12T07:26:45Z

From ss: /me signs his work

Froodian: Where should the Spelling menu go?

2006-08-12T07:25:54Z

Where should the Spelling menu go?

Admin: My comments

2006-08-12T06:44:53Z

My comments

Froodian at 06:08, 5 August 2006

2006-08-05T06:08:54Z

Sardisson: comments on the froodian plan

2006-08-04T08:55:14Z

comments on the froodian plan

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==From Smokey==
* Questions:
** How difficult would it be to make a pref to remove LNS/Bonjour (and its separator!) from the Bookmark Menu? Now that it's in prime real estate, I think we'll hear more about it being useless and taking up space. I think it should be on by default (to promote OS integration and discoverability), but I think users who have no Bonjour items (or people who don't want to show those items) should be allowed to "remove" that from the menu.
** Is this a long-term plan, or 1.1-only? For instance, I don't see the "Tab Viewer" making 1.1 (also, no … since it doesn't '''require''' further action; it's quite functional as a list), and there are other potential future menu additions not listed.

* Comments
** "Special Characters…" seems like it went out with 10.2; I don't see it anywhere on 10.3, and I think I'd rather have that menu real estate for the "Spelling" submenu, if anything (not sure all those spelling options really fit with our spelling model in a non-doc app, either). People who really want/need access to the Character Palette will have it in their Input Menu, and it saves menu space for people who don't.
** I'd prefer to see a contextual "Page Info" and "Bookmark Info" than the confusingly-generic "Get Info" ("get info on what?")
** I might move "Search the Web" to a separated item below the find stuff:
**:Use Selection for Find
**:----------------------
**:Search the Web

Other than those five things, I can support this plan. —[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 01:55, 4 August 2006 (PDT)

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	Camino Support should load http://www.caminobrowser.org/support/ since this seems logically related.		Camino Support should load http://www.caminobrowser.org/support/ since this seems logically related.
	:Per IRC, I think that this is the best solution for now. People expect Help to point to documentation, and Support to point to real-live people who can help them. I agree that using Help Viewer would be a cool thing (especially given the new UI for 10.5), but that's not within 1.1 time-frame. [[User:Froodian\|Froodian]]		:Per IRC, I think that this is the best solution for now. People expect Help to point to documentation, and Support to point to real-live people who can help them. I agree that using Help Viewer would be a cool thing (especially given the new UI for 10.5), but that's not within 1.1 time-frame. [[User:Froodian\|Froodian]]
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		+	== Possible Menu Item Names for "Create Tabgroup" ==
		+	The main issue with the name is letting the user know a) that we're making a bookmark item out of tabs, and b) which tabs are going to be part of it (all tabs in the active window). It would be nice to preserve the parallelism with "Add Page to Bookmarks…" and "Add Bookmarks Folder…" when doing this, too. Some possibilities:
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		+	* Add Current Tabs to Bookmarks
		+	* Add All n Tabs to Bookmarks
		+	* Add All Tabs to Bookmarks
		+	* Bookmark Current Tabs
		+	* Bookmark All Tabs
		+	* Bookmark All n Tabs
		+	* Add Tabs as Tab Group
		+	* Add Current Tabs as Tab Group
		+	* Add All Tabs as Tab Group
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		+	''Do "All" or "Current" imply the right things, i.e. what are "current tabs", and does "all tabs" imply all tabs in all windows, or all tabs in the active window?''
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		+	* Also, for what it's worth, a little birdie told me Safari's wording will be "Add Bookmark For These 2 Tabs". I don't like the "these" language though. It's just as ambiguous.

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	Camino Support should load http://www.caminobrowser.org/support/ since this seems logically related.		Camino Support should load http://www.caminobrowser.org/support/ since this seems logically related.
		+	:Per IRC, I think that this is the best solution for now. People expect Help to point to documentation, and Support to point to real-live people who can help them. I agree that using Help Viewer would be a cool thing (especially given the new UI for 10.5), but that's not within 1.1 time-frame. [[User:Froodian\|Froodian]]

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	Camino Help should load the local Help Viewer.app and display offline help, this is what users expect from OS X.		Camino Help should load the local Help Viewer.app and display offline help, this is what users expect from OS X.
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	Camino Support should load http://www.caminobrowser.org/support/ since this seems logically related.		Camino Support should load http://www.caminobrowser.org/support/ since this seems logically related.

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	: I agree. The usual practice is to put it in a section with the Find submenu (although they're pretty much unrelated, except for both being submenus). Perhaps under Fill Form, in the same section? It seems like too much to give it its own section, especially given that "Search The Web" has one. -[[User:Froodian\|Froodian]]		: I agree. The usual practice is to put it in a section with the Find submenu (although they're pretty much unrelated, except for both being submenus). Perhaps under Fill Form, in the same section? It seems like too much to give it its own section, especially given that "Search The Web" has one. -[[User:Froodian\|Froodian]]
	: OK. Putting it in its own section for now. On Monday we should re-argue a Find submenu (which would be in the same section as Spelling) for parity with other cocoa apps (and to have a place to put the damn thing), given that that's a pretty prevalent standard.		: OK. Putting it in its own section for now. On Monday we should re-argue a Find submenu (which would be in the same section as Spelling) for parity with other cocoa apps (and to have a place to put the damn thing), given that that's a pretty prevalent standard.
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		+	== From delliott ==
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		+	The Help menu seems a little confusing, I was going to post in BugZilla but thought that people don't need another piece of bugmail!
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		+	Camino Help should load the local Help Viewer.app and display offline help, this is what users expect from OS X.
		+	Camino Support should load http://www.caminobrowser.org/support/ since this seems logically related.

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	a=me with an addition of the Spelling menu.		a=me with an addition of the Spelling menu.
	: I agree. The usual practice is to put it in a section with the Find submenu (although they're pretty much unrelated, except for both being submenus). Perhaps under Fill Form, in the same section? It seems like too much to give it its own section, especially given that "Search The Web" has one. -[[User:Froodian\|Froodian]]		: I agree. The usual practice is to put it in a section with the Find submenu (although they're pretty much unrelated, except for both being submenus). Perhaps under Fill Form, in the same section? It seems like too much to give it its own section, especially given that "Search The Web" has one. -[[User:Froodian\|Froodian]]
		+	: OK. Putting it in its own section for now. On Monday we should re-argue a Find submenu (which would be in the same section as Spelling) for parity with other cocoa apps (and to have a place to put the damn thing), given that that's a pretty prevalent standard.

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 == From ss ==
 a=me with an addition of the Spelling menu.
-: I agree.  The usual practice is to put it in a section with the Find submenu (although they're pretty much unrelated, except for both being submenus).  Perhaps under Fill Form, in the same section?  It seems like too much to give it its own section, especially given that "Search The Web" has one.
+: I agree.  The usual practice is to put it in a section with the Find submenu (although they're pretty much unrelated, except for both being submenus).  Perhaps under Fill Form, in the same section?  It seems like too much to give it its own section, especially given that "Search The Web" has one.  -[[User:Froodian|Froodian]]

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	a=me with an addition of the Spelling menu.		a=me with an addition of the Spelling menu.
		+	: I agree. The usual practice is to put it in a section with the Find submenu (although they're pretty much unrelated, except for both being submenus). Perhaps under Fill Form, in the same section? It seems like too much to give it its own section, especially given that "Search The Web" has one.

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	Other than those five things, I can support this plan. —[[User:Sardisson\|sardisson]] 01:55, 4 August 2006 (PDT)		Other than those five things, I can support this plan. —[[User:Sardisson\|sardisson]] 01:55, 4 August 2006 (PDT)
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		+	== From ss ==
		+	a=me with an addition of the Spelling menu.

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 * Questions:
 ** How difficult would it be to make a pref to remove LNS/Bonjour (and its separator!) from the Bookmark Menu?  Now that it's in prime real estate, I think we'll hear more about it being useless and taking up space.  I think it should be on by default (to promote OS integration and discoverability), but I think users who have no Bonjour items (or people who don't want to show those items) should be allowed to "remove" that from the menu.
 ** Is this a long-term plan, or 1.1-only?  For instance, I don't see the "Tab Viewer" making 1.1 (also, no … since it doesn't '''require''' further action; it's quite functional as a list), and there are other potential future menu additions not listed.
 * Comments
 ** "Special Characters…" seems like it went out with 10.2; I don't see it anywhere on 10.3, and I think I'd rather have that menu real estate for the "Spelling" submenu, if anything (not sure all those spelling options really fit with our spelling model in a non-doc app, either).  People who really want/need access to the Character Palette will have it in their Input Menu, and it saves menu space for people who don't.
 ** I'd prefer to see a contextual "Page Info" and "Bookmark Info" than the confusingly-generic "Get Info" ("get info on what?")
 ** I might move "Search the Web" to a separated item below the find stuff:
 **:Use Selection for Find
 **:----------------------
 **:Search the Web
 Other than those five things, I can support this plan. —[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 01:55, 4 August 2006 (PDT)