Status Meetings:2010-02-17:Log

Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-02-17 14:50:10 -0500

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15:55	pink_mbp:	hrm, it doesn't like my password
15:56	ardissone:	the servers appeared to have rebooted this afternoon
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16:00	ardissone:	brb
16:06	ardissone:	ok
16:06	ardissone:	i'm guessing this is all we're getting today :(
16:06	ardissone:	Everyone please open your Camino 2.0.2rc or newer to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-02-17:Agenda ;)
16:07	ardissone:	if this makes no sense today, i was trying to spin a release with bonsai down, with a headache, and other sorts of fun :P
16:08	ardissone:	On 2.0.1, there was a huge jump in crashes over the last week
16:08	ardissone:	up over 1K
16:08	ardissone:	the vast majority of them were Flash
16:08	ardissone:	surprise, surprise
16:09	ardissone:	there's also a series of Flash-triggered crashes in OS font code that have been coming on strong
16:10	ardissone:	the nativeThemeCocoa crash and Armen's crash were both up this week, too
16:11	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 2.0.1?
16:12	ardissone:	on 1.6.10, crashes there continue to decline; the % of Flash crashes continue to rise
16:12	ardissone:	at 45% currently :P
16:13	ardissone:	nothing new on the 1.6.11 front, other than we'll not take the newer Flashblock there :P
16:13	ardissone:	Anyone have anything else on 1.6.x?
16:15	ardissone:	on 2.0.2, philippe found a last-minute Flashblock regression (blocked Silverlight unconditionally) on Monday
16:15	ardissone:	thanks to everyone who helped get a fix in in 24hrs
16:16	ardissone:	I built the 2.0.2rc last night in the midst of moz system failures
16:16	ardissone:	(so extra sanity-checking would help)
16:17	ardissone:	The Gecko release is going to be today; we're shooting for next Tues
16:17	ardissone:	have a few relnotes in from l10n, and Marcello's going to be in London EOW/weekend
16:18	ardissone:	on 2.0.3, cl reported he had nothing to report, so the Flash exceptions list fix is still in limbo
16:18	ardissone:	On Armen's crash, i think hendy should just ask bz for review; it seems to work
16:19	hendy:	righto
16:21	ardissone:	put it through the tryserver on 1.9.2 the other day and didn't see anything that seemed bad, though frankly it's hard to tell :P
16:22	ardissone:	also on the 2.0.x front is the evil 10.6 Flash spam
16:23	ardissone:	philippe got some more verbose logs this week
16:24	ardissone:	it's hard to tell from user comments whether things get bad during use, or only if log rotation hangs their machines
16:25	ardissone:	anything else on 2.0.x?
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16:26	ardissone:	ok, on 2.1
16:26	ardissone:	on autocomplete, the ball is back in Dan's court
16:27	ardissone:	at least in the 1.9.2 build, the auto-appearing window isn't fixed
16:27	ardissone:	and sometimes autocomplete triggers random pages from history or incorrect URLs
16:27	ardissone:	i haven't been able to pin down good STRs for any of the things I've seen
16:28	ardissone:	cl alluded that he had seen some of them in 1.9.0 builds
16:29	ardissone:	so it's possible that something bizarre makes it worse
16:29	ardissone:	dunno
16:30	ardissone:	we haven't heard from dan in a few weeks; hopefully now that smorgan's done with the perf patch review we'll see him again soon
16:31	ardissone:	On history, kreeger says he hopes to get to hendy's patch EOW or the weekend
16:32	ardissone:	Monday night we put out a 1.9.2-based build and notified the forum
16:32	ardissone:	so far we haven't heard of too many issues, surprisingly
16:33	ardissone:	I've been pulling things out and listing them http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/User:Sardisson/Gecko_1.9.2_Bugs
16:33	hendy:	people are liking the speed
16:33	ardissone:	generally, there are some focus-related issues (I added another one today)
16:34	ardissone:	the random IdleTimerVector crashes
16:34	ardissone:	and there's a dl folder regression
16:34	smorgan:	The Internet Config stuff got ripped out IIRC
16:34	ardissone:	yeah
16:35	ardissone:	i think it's two prefs now
16:35	ardissone:	one for the folder, and one to say if you use the pref for the folder
16:36	ardissone:	i think sdwilsh changed it before the IC stuff got ripped out, which is why josh could say the IC code was dead
16:36	smorgan:	It certainly should be dead :P
16:37	ardissone:	i'm going to see about rebuilding this PM with smichaud's fix-for-the-fix-for-the-original-IdleTimerVector crash and see if it helps
16:37	ardissone:	that's the thing that's most worrisome to me right now
16:38	ardissone:	(smaug showed up in the forum thread and asked us to file bugs on focus issues and cc him and enn, so I have hope that any Core parts will get fixed)
16:38	ardissone:	so
16:39	ardissone:	i *think* probably by next week we should be able to say whether 1.9.2 will be viable
16:40	ardissone:	anyone have anything else on 2.1?
16:42	ardissone:	oh, i should say i'm still wrestling with the cvs->hg conversion; this last attempt turned out even worse, with more changesets split up, and some random tags :P
16:43	ardissone:	Summer of Code: still adding things to the scratchpad
16:43	ardissone:	keep adding ideas you have
16:44	ardissone:	someone pointed out in the forum that we're also nominated in "Best Mac Browser" in the about.com awards
16:45	ardissone:	we're losing to everyone but OW there :P
16:45	ardissone:	http://macs.about.com/od/readertoreader/ss/readers-choice-2010-vote_8.htm
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16:45	smorgan:	Wow, almost 500 total votes
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16:45	ardissone:	yeah :P
16:45	smorgan:	Clearly getting a good sample of the whole internet
16:46	ardissone:	there are far more votes in the independent browser category :P
16:47	ardissone:	(most of them for K-Meleon) :P
16:47	ardissone:	ss: any updates on the AppZapper stuff?
16:50	ardissone:	ahem
16:51	ardissone:	well, on the bugs front, we've done a lot of work that's not showing up in bugs
16:52	ardissone:	anyone have anything on anything else today?
16:54	ilya:	oh, on the website front -- the main picture
16:54	ilya:	are we using JS to do the image rotation?
16:54	ardissone:	mhm
16:54	ilya:	it bugs me that I have "play animated images only once" checked and it continues to loop :P
16:54	ardissone:	haha
16:55	ardissone:	go ahead and file that
16:55	ardissone:	we need to have a better non-js experience for it, too
16:55	ilya:	k
16:56	ardissone:	also, i meant to say before on the 1.9.2 bugs
16:56	ardissone:	there's a multitouch problem, too; not sure if it's focus or something else
16:57	smorgan:	Gecko added multi-touch support
16:57	smorgan:	They are probably eating them before we see them
16:57	ardissone:	and that broke ours?
16:57	ardissone:	ah
16:57	ardissone:	ew
16:58	smorgan:	I had been watching the bug back in the day, but when it became clear it was post-1.9.0-only I stopped paying attention
16:58	ardissone:	any idea off-hand if it'd be easily fixable?
16:59	smorgan:	I imagine it would mean setting up event handlers for the events they send, however that works
16:59	smorgan:	Assuming embedders can do that
16:59	ardissone:	heh
16:59	ardissone:	"js-only" :P
16:59	smorgan:	I don't know how they ended up being plumbed
17:00	ardissone:	ok
17:01	smorgan:	bug 412486 comment 46 sounds like the answer
17:02	ardissone:	ok
17:03	ardissone:	at any rate, please do keep playing with the 1.9.2 builds so that we see what's broken; the more things we try, the better our decision-making will be and the less likely we'll be blind-sided later on by something we've missed
17:05	ardissone:	ok, everyone please work on 2.1-related bugs/reviews and have a good week :)