Status Meetings:2006-10-18:Log
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12:00 <@ss> Alright, if mostly everyone is here, shall we begin? 12:00 <@pinkerton> sure 12:00 <@ss> Welcome to another great meeting on a beautiful Wednesday (it's raining and dark here) 12:00 <@ss> Everyone please open the wiki and follow along 12:00 <@ss> http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2006-10-18:Agenda 12:00 <@ss> First off, a1 12:01 <@ss> a1 was supposed to be released on Friday 12:01 <@ss> But there were some issues with connecting to the tboxen 12:01 <@ss> So mento has said either this afternoon or tomorrow. 12:01 <@mento> that's right 12:01 <@kreeger2> rainy and cold here 12:01 <@ss> As soon as that's out, checkins can land again on the branch, but until then we're waiting. 12:01 <@pinkerton> ok 12:02 <@ss> Next, tbox upgrades 12:02 <@ss> coop has been working on those apparently, but nothing's really done yet, afaict 12:02 <@ss> And, despite what that says, binus is running 10.3 still. 12:03 <@pinkerton> ha 12:03 <@ss> Our perf numbers are all off 12:03 <@ss> That's because of the tboxen not being able to reach the office pageload server. 12:03 <@mento> right, they're hitting a pageload server via the internet 12:03 <@ss> So they're going to another one. 12:03 <@ss> etc etc. 12:03 <@pinkerton> "yay" 12:03 <@mento> i'll see if i have a chance to set up a local pageload server on maya 12:03 <@ss> mento might run his own pageload servers on the machines... 12:03 <@ss> Right. 12:04 <@ss> And... the wiki 12:04 <@pinkerton> coo' 12:04 <@ss> There's a couple of documents on there for conversion 12:04 <@ss> Specifically for Fx and Sf users 12:04 <@pinkerton> hot 12:04 <@ss> We'd like them to exist on the new website and get beautified and such. 12:05 <@ss> Some of the language might need to change, but otherwise they should be a good help to anyone converting. 12:05 <@ss> Also, if someone using Intel (mento?) wants to run through the build instructions... 12:05 <@ss> Those will be the official ones on our site at some point in the relatively near future. 12:05 <@mento> where they at? 12:05 <@ss> http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Building 12:05 <@ss> They'll get some design though. 12:06 <@ss> Our queues are nice and full. 12:06 <@ss> Review queues I mean. 12:06 <@ss> pinkerton: Hopefully you can get some of the quick SRs? 12:07 <@pinkerton> this week is iffy, but i'll try 12:07 <@pinkerton> i'm in MV this week 12:07 <@ss> Maybe not like... Keychain Services, but some of the smaller ones. ;) 12:07 <@pinkerton> right 12:07 <@pinkerton> on my list for hotel downtime 12:07 <@ss> And the review queue is also nice and long. 12:07 <@ss> Good times. 12:07 * pinkerton weighs sr's vs. hookers 12:07 <@ss> hwaara was out of town for a bit 12:07 <@mento> ha 12:08 * ss is going to bold that line in the Log on the wiki. 12:08 <@ss> ;) 12:08 <@ss> Zip zip zip... 12:08 <@ss> Anything else before we go to specific bugs? 12:08 <@pinkerton> one thing 12:09 -!- delliott has joined #camino-mtg 12:09 < delliott> Good afternoon. 12:09 * ss waits for pinkerton 12:09 <@pinkerton> stuart and i are gonna kick around some thoughts about either adding another sr person or making it so that tiny things don't always need sr, to help reduce some of the backup 12:09 <@pinkerton> nothing specific yet, but it's something i've been thinking about in the back of my head 12:09 <@pinkerton> i'll keep you posted 12:09 <@ss> That sounds good... 12:10 <@pinkerton> that's all, continue 12:10 !sand.mozilla.org ss invited thebot into the channel. 12:10 -!- thebot has joined #camino-mtg 12:10 <@ss> bug 159337 12:10 < thebot> ss: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159337 nor, --, Camino1.1, stuart.morgan@alumni.case.edu, ASSI, Disable "View Source" from menu/key command when source is in view 12:10 <@ss> So 12:10 <@ss> I know everyone loves the word "so" 12:11 <@ss> Basically the current patch disables "view source" on about: URIs as well. 12:12 <@pinkerton> looks ok to me. sr=pink 12:12 <@froodian> There's a good case for being able to view source on certain about: URIs, especially about:credits, since it's a real live page. 12:12 <@froodian> but if you say it is so, it is so 12:12 <@pinkerton> i see no value 12:13 <@ss> bug 341278 12:13 < thebot> ss: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341278 nor, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, UNCO, Status bar priority 12:14 * hwaara is back 12:14 <@ss> Is this something we can fix? And, if so, is it something we *want* to fix? 12:14 <@pinkerton> not sure if we can, we get the msgs from gecko without any indication of what they are 12:14 <@pinkerton> iirc 12:14 <@pinkerton> the api doesn't give us enough info to distinguish between the two 12:15 <@smorgan> We might be able to do it dirty-like 12:15 <@smorgan> Check for starting with a protocol 12:16 <@pinkerton> ew? 12:16 <@ss> And that's the "do we want to" part of it. ;) 12:16 <@pinkerton> i agree it's a bit annoying from time to time 12:17 <@pinkerton> could be worth some cycles, but could get nasty quickly with ordering and what to reset to, etc 12:17 <@hwaara> we get the nsIWebProgressListener events 12:17 <@pinkerton> i say keep it, low priority, maybe good first bug it 12:17 <@hwaara> they tell us when stuff loads 12:17 <@hwaara> so that must be different from for example onmouseoveer-text? 12:17 <@smorgan> No matter what, it seems like it should be confirmed+future over WF 12:17 <@pinkerton> yeah, not WF 12:17 -!- delliott_ has joined #camino-mtg 12:18 <@ss> Make it so. 12:19 -!- delliott has quit [Ping timeout] 12:19 <@ss> And I do believe that's it for the day. 12:20 -!- delliott_ is now known as delliott 12:20 <@ss> Short meetings are good meetings. ;) 12:20 <@froodian> lots of QA this week :) 12:20 <@ss> Yeah, lots of awesome QA. 12:20 <@hwaara> lots of UNCO bugs 12:20 <@ss> cl's been doing more. 12:21 <@hwaara> are bugs supposed to stay in unco even while everyone is discussing the bug? 12:21 <@hwaara> I see lots of debugging and stuff going on in bugs that aren't even new 12:21 <@froodian> if they're UNCO, yes 12:22 <@froodian> "Nobody has validated that this bug is true." 12:22 <@hwaara> define true? 12:22 <@hwaara> :) 12:22 <@froodian> where true can = "a real bug" or "yeah, we do want something like this" 12:22 <@froodian> depending on severity 12:22 <@hwaara> is crasher "true"? :) 12:23 <@smorgan> I've noticed that there seems to be some idea that unless everyone can reproduce a bug it sits in UNCO 12:23 <@smorgan> If a dev has seen it, it's confirmed 12:23 <@froodian> yeah 12:23 <@smorgan> It doesn't have to have reproducible steps or be seen by everyone 12:23 <@hwaara> then I should confirm more, I suppose. I just never understood the exact procedures for camino in this conetxt 12:23 <@froodian> but that doesn't necessarily mean that a crasher is always "true" 12:23 <@hwaara> I nkow gecko is a lot more generous about confirming 12:23 <@froodian> hwaara: or maybe you should allow bugmail from unco bugs ;) 12:24 <@hwaara> froodian: I already did, long ago, dude! 12:24 <@froodian> ah, sorry 12:24 <@hwaara> :P 12:24 <@froodian> i was working on old information 12:24 <@hwaara> I _had_ to 12:24 * froodian backs off :) 12:24 <@murph> before we close I wanted to mention a few things I've been noticing with keyboard access and tabbing around the views in a browser window.. 12:26 <@murph> i know hwaara's been working on a fix for not being able to loop back around to the URL/toolbar (top of window) after inside the browser content area, but.. 12:27 <@murph> when re-ordering items on the bookmark bar, the keyboard focus loop is never updated..try to move around one and then tab through the row 12:27 <@hwaara> i've noticed that as well. add a new bookmark, and it wont be focusable before you open a new window 12:27 <@froodian> sounds like you should file a bug 12:27 -!- thebot was kicked from #camino-mtg by froodian [froodian] 12:28 <@murph> and even after hiding the bookmark bar, it still received focus when tabbing and you can bring up folder menus 12:28 -!- pinkerton has left #camino-mtg [] 12:28 -!- froodian was kicked from #camino-mtg by froodian [bam!] 12:28 <@murph> yeah, if no one recognizes any of this i'll search myself and then file it 12:28 <@hwaara> in many other places, hiding in our world means just setting the view to size 0, or swapping it out of the view hierarchy without really hiding it 12:28 <@hwaara> so that might be worht looking at (how we hide it) 12:29 <@hwaara> because I think cocoa should take care of not making stuff focusable when they're hidden 12:29 <@murph> alright, I'll definitely check into that 12:29 <@hwaara> great 12:29 <@murph> yeah, if an NSWindow is set to autoRecalculateKeyFocus (or something like that) 12:30 <@murph> it will look at all views whenever one is added/removed 12:30 <@hwaara> make sure it's not 10.4+ 12:30 <@murph> right..will do 12:32 <@ss> Alright 12:32 <@ss> Thank you all for coming 12:32 <@ss> See you next week