http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/index.php?title=Status_Meetings:2008-02-20:Log&feed=atom&action=historyStatus Meetings:2008-02-20:Log - Revision history2024-03-29T14:56:47ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.34.4http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/index.php?title=Status_Meetings:2008-02-20:Log&diff=8865&oldid=prevSardisson: log2008-02-20T17:57:40Z<p>log</p>
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[12:20am] You changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-02-20:Agenda".<br />
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[12:04pm] ardissone|away: smorgan: what bug did you comment in last week saying we needed to discuss this week? i couldn't find it when i went looking <br />
[12:05pm] smorgan: Find shortcut, probably<br />
[12:05pm] ardissone|away: oh<br />
[12:05pm] ardissone|away: yes<br />
[12:05pm] smorgan: Now we just need to pick one of the nibs, so we can land it<br />
[12:05pm] smorgan: Then I can start retraining my fingers<br />
[12:05pm] ardissone|away: yeah <br />
[12:06pm] ardissone|away: wonders if his internet has just died, or bz is slow again <br />
[12:07pm] smorgan: But then I can stop cursing in other apps<br />
[12:07pm] smorgan: So it'll be a win overall<br />
[12:08pm] mento joined the chat room.<br />
[12:08pm] mento was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br />
[12:08pm] ardissone|away: waits for mento<br />
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[12:08pm] ardissone|away: there he is <br />
[12:08pm] pinkerton was promoted to operator by chanserv.<br />
[12:09pm] ardissone|away: awesome<br />
[12:09pm] pinkerton: mmm<br />
[12:09pm] mento: yo<br />
[12:09pm] ardissone|away: pings sam, just for good measure<br />
[12:09pm] ardissone|away: ss: ^^^<br />
[12:09pm] smorgan: yay!<br />
[12:09pm] ardissone|away: everyone please open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2008-02-20:Agenda in your Camino 1.6b2 or newer<br />
[12:10pm] ardissone|away: we're getting closer to b3<br />
[12:10pm] smorgan: I can almost taste it<br />
[12:10pm] ardissone|away: we've been working on follow-ups to landings and nib/strings bugs <br />
[12:10pm] smorgan: We can probably b3 next week<br />
[12:11pm] ardissone|away: about half of our triaging away last week has been replaced with new follow-ups<br />
[12:11pm] ardissone|away: but smorgan probably landed most of them this morning<br />
[12:11pm] ardissone|away: so, are we calling tab dragging and flashblock whitelist dead now?<br />
[12:12pm] smorgan: Since batwood generally has limited time, I'm guessing flashblock whitelist isn't realistic<br />
[12:13pm] smorgan: I don't know where we are with tab drag<br />
[12:13pm] ardissone|away: jeff has another patch up<br />
[12:14pm] ardissone|away: i haven't had a chance to play with it yet<br />
[12:14pm] murph: I can say that i'll have a review done for Jeff's latest patch today...<br />
[12:14pm] jeff:<br />
[12:14pm] smorgan: It doesn't block b3, does it?<br />
[12:14pm] smorgan: Or does it for testing purposes?<br />
[12:14pm] ardissone|away: do we want to land a big feature after that?<br />
[12:16pm] smorgan: I'll look at the current state of the patch this weekend, and see if I can get a feel for risk<br />
[12:16pm] ardissone|away: we should see where it stands when murph finishes<br />
[12:16pm] ardissone|away: yeah<br />
[12:17pm] ardissone|away: we should also probably land spinner removal for b3 even if we replace the icon later with something we like more<br />
[12:17pm] pinkerton: you know, i like the spinners. i haven't seen any problems and i've been looking<br />
[12:17pm] pinkerton: a bit higher cpu usage, but other than that, no big redraw issues<br />
[12:18pm] smorgan: pinkerton: the spinners themselves don't draw correctly<br />
[12:18pm] smorgan: white squares<br />
[12:18pm] ardissone|away: hands pink a new pair of glasses<br />
[12:18pm] ardissone|away: (or grey)<br />
[12:18pm] smorgan: out of sync with tab size changes<br />
[12:18pm] ardissone|away: and there is page tearing still<br />
[12:18pm] pinkerton: boggles<br />
[12:18pm] ardissone|away: nothing like it used to be, but still noticeable<br />
[12:18pm] smorgan: The last I haven't seen<br />
[12:19pm] ardissone|away: i've seen it on 10.3.9 and 10.5<br />
[12:19pm] smorgan: I believe you, I just haven't seen it myself <br />
[12:19pm] ardissone|away:<br />
[12:19pm] ardissone|away: anyway<br />
[12:20pm] ardissone|away: they're misbehaving<br />
[12:20pm] ardissone|away: smorgan: did you talk to your guys about fixing the "all tabs" menu icon?<br />
[12:21pm] smorgan: I'll just mess with it<br />
[12:21pm] pinkerton: i still don't see it, but *shrug*<br />
[12:21pm] smorgan: Make it darker<br />
[12:21pm] smorgan: Call that good for now<br />
[12:21pm] smorgan: We'll revisit them when we make a new tab look<br />
[12:21pm] ardissone|away: k<br />
[12:22pm] ardissone|away: wrt to AppleScript, peeja needs to fix his memory management and then we'll be done with bookmark-eating<br />
[12:22pm] ardissone|away: murph has some opensearch follow-ups still in progress<br />
[12:23pm] ardissone|away: we need mento's exec trick to make the feedhandlers useful<br />
[12:24pm] ardissone|away: and smorgan has basically polished off the find bar<br />
[12:25pm] ardissone|away: anything else on 1.6 other than the specific bugs mentioned below?<br />
[12:27pm] ardissone|away: ok, tinderboxen<br />
[12:27pm] ardissone|away: mento: any news on mini-binus or mini-maya?<br />
[12:27pm] mento: no new news<br />
[12:27pm] ardissone|away:<br />
[12:28pm] ardissone|away: puts on his thebot hat<br />
[12:28pm] ardissone|away: Bug 417782 - Decide on a form fill shortcut<br />
[12:29pm] ardissone|away: option 1 is "Fill Form" and Cmd-Shift-F<br />
[12:30pm] ardissone|away: option 2 is "Auto-Fill Form" and Cmd-Shift-A<br />
[12:31pm] ardissone|away: i dislike 2 because it could confuse our users into thinking we have automatic (no intervention) filling, and we don't<br />
[12:31pm] smorgan: I'm not sure why users would think that there would be a menu item for no-intervention filling<br />
[12:32pm] ardissone|away: because they're camino users?<br />
[12:32pm] ardissone|away: and safari talks about it doing both, oddly enough<br />
[12:34pm] smorgan: mento, pinkerton: any opinions?<br />
[12:35pm] ss: I dislike 1 because it uses "F"<br />
[12:35pm] pinkerton: give me some background, why are we thinking about changing the name?<br />
[12:35pm] ardissone|away: (i think A seems odd, because it's not related to form or fill)<br />
[12:35pm] pinkerton: is the name itself confusing, or is it because we need to change the shortcut?<br />
[12:35pm] smorgan: We have to change the shortcut<br />
[12:35pm] smorgan: If we don't want to use Cmd<br />
[12:35pm] smorgan: er, Cmd-Shift-F, we need a new name<br />
[12:35pm] ardissone|away: to accommodate the new HIG shortcut for Search Field<br />
[12:36pm] pinkerton: can't we make it what the search field was?<br />
[12:36pm] pinkerton: cmd-opt-f?<br />
[12:36pm] smorgan: That's option<br />
[12:36pm] smorgan: 1<br />
[12:36pm] smorgan: needs a smaller Return key<br />
[12:36pm] pinkerton: that's the one i like<br />
[12:37pm] ardissone|away: ok<br />
[12:37pm] smorgan: sr+?<br />
[12:38pm] pinkerton: yup<br />
[12:38pm] smorgan: k, I'll land it<br />
[12:38pm] ardissone|away: yay<br />
[12:38pm] smorgan: Everyone reset your brains/fingers for tomorrow's build<br />
[12:38pm] ardissone|away: Bug 413501 - Provide a one-per-version startup warning about problem add-ons<br />
[12:39pm] ardissone|away: we need some language ideas<br />
[12:39pm] ss: German<br />
[12:40pm] ardissone|away: >+"ProblematicAddOnWarningTitle" = "Unsupported Add-Ons Detected";<br />
[12:40pm] ss: What's wrong with that?<br />
[12:41pm] ss: I know all add-ons are unsupported<br />
[12:41pm] ss: But there's not really a better word for it.<br />
[12:41pm] ss: (Also, "Add-Ons" or "Add-ons"?)<br />
[12:41pm] ardissone|away: all add-ons are unsupported, and these are only the ones we've had issues with in the past<br />
[12:41pm] pinkerton: ss: probably the latter<br />
[12:41pm] pinkerton: is it Plug-in or Plug-In ?<br />
[12:42pm] ardissone|away: Plug-Ins in the menu<br />
[12:42pm] ss: Right<br />
[12:42pm] ardissone|away: it's title case<br />
[12:42pm] pinkerton: yeah. Plug-In<br />
[12:42pm] ss: Weird, but alright.<br />
[12:42pm] ardissone|away: if no one has any better ideas, that's certainly workable<br />
[12:43pm] ardissone|away: we were just fishing for more brains<br />
[12:43pm] ss: I got nothing. But I'll think about it.<br />
[12:44pm] ardissone|away: smorgan: i guess i don't like the thought of putting that entire gigantic string in a second time<br />
[12:46pm] ardissone|away: mento: i suppose you're at lunch now<br />
[12:48pm] ardissone|away: ok<br />
[12:48pm] ardissone|away: anyone have anything else?<br />
[12:49pm] ardissone|away: smorgan: if batwood happened to have time this week/weekend, how far off is that patch?<br />
[12:50pm] smorgan: I'm proposing a very different architecture, so I can't estimate how long it would take him<br />
[12:50pm] ardissone|away: ok, i couldn't tell exactly what that last bit was <br />
[12:52pm] ardissone|away: alrighty<br />
[12:53pm] ardissone|away: we'll aim for b3 next week pending an evaluation of where tab dnd is this weekend<br />
[12:53pm] ardissone|away: that means get those nib-and-strings bugs done <br />
[12:55pm] ardissone|away: and have a good week!</pre></div>Sardisson