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Note to triage team: Josh says plugin bugs should be kicked to Core:Plug-ins to ensure a means of communication between Mozilla devs and plugin vendors, even if the bug is obviously the fault of the plugin. This also helps assure that such bugs don't get lost or forgotten.
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Wed 30 Apr 9am PDT (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg
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==General Plans==
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* Camino 1.6
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** Released two Thursdays ago
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** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM16/index.html Talkback] ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008040911&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=500 all 1.6 crashes]—287 so far)
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*** #1 is Flash
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*** #2 is Core crash-on-quit
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*** #3 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008040911&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid libobjc]
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**** at least 3 look like variations on {{bug|415362}} on 10.3.9 :( [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=44220012 TB44220012x] (need to get contact info)
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**** 4 look like variations on the old 1passwd crash [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=44260242 TB44260242x]
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*** #4 is libfontmanager.jnilib
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*** #5 is old friend DesktopSericesPriv
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<!--*** #6 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=KeychainItem&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008040911&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid KeychainItem]-->
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** Load was pretty heavy on the server, esp. on software update; need to figure out a solution that will work for 1.6.1
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** Cleaning up stuff from the website; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything.
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** Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
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** Josh says plugin bugs should be kicked to Core:Plug-ins to ensure a means of communication between Mozilla devs and plugin vendors, even if the bug is obviously the fault of the plugin. This also helps assure that such bugs don't get lost or forgotten.
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* Camino 2.0
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** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
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** Stuart's started triaging the 2.0 list (3 criteria: regressions, make life better now, someone working on it)
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** Stuart has started on the regressions
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** Cocoa Widget "fixes" are making life pretty rough
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** Anti-phishing update
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** Tabsposé update
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** Tab dragging?
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* Tinderboxen
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** boxset stopped reporting to tinderbox five Thurs ago; Sam working on new mail server - {{bug|425138}}
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** something's wrong on cb-xserve01; reboot didn't help - {{bug|421031}}
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*** this happened again last week; we got it back to 421031 levels, but not pre-421031 levels
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** no new news on binus or maya?
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** ss has replacement minis for binus (to run 10.3) and mayaTrunk; mini-binus is in the colo but not accessible(?);
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** mini-mayaTrunk on loan to Sunbird; something happened to it on last week?
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** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
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** we should think about setting up a testerbox to catch Core bugs breaking embedding APIs (mini-mayaTrunk alternate builds?)
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* Dev docs
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** Still some issues with the sample code and/or nib for the sample prefPane
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*** Can someone fix cl's nib for the prefPane docs? ({{bug|384800}} comment 18, 19, 26)
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** Can we get a quick list of some examples in our code (mxr links) of various ways of
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*** Calling private APIs
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*** Writing safe code for latest-OS-only features
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**: Add [[Development:Reviewing#Coding_for_latest-OS-version_features_or_using_private_APIs|here]]; we're getting more patches wanting to do these things, so even if "the" solution cannot be prescribed, examples of various situations and techniques will help
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* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
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** r queue starting to get full again
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==Specific bugs that need action==
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=== 2.0a1pre ===
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* See 2.0a1? list
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* Cocoa widgets still pretty scary; there are a number of regressions we'll be stuck with
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* Security UI cleanup
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=== 1.6.1 ===
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* More toolbar icons coming
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* OpenSearch POST fun
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===Other (if there's time)===
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* 10.5 Visual UX
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** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
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** Tab bar
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** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
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*** We have a designer working on polishing
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** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
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* xpfe cleanup
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<!--*** see older Agendas if you're interested -->
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** {{bug|383085}} has a patch to remove a number of xpfe directories
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** stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP [http://hem.fyristorg.com/s_her/camino/camino-test.diff patch]<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"<br>[4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code  :P
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==Queries==
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===Camino 2.0a1===
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0a1%3F  Blocking ?]  (5) {{greyText|[+2 since last week]}} <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0a1%2B  Blocking +]  (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!--  subtract FIXED here-->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0a1- Blocking -]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}  <!--  -->
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===Camino 2.0===
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0]  (47) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} <!-- -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F  Blocking ?]  (2) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B  Blocking +]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- (but [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&priority=P1&chfieldto=Now P1 bugs]—currently just tab dragging—are blocking) subtract FIXED here-->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!--  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target]  (602) {{greyText|['''-15''' since last week]}} <!-- '''first “CLOSEME” cleanup in a month''  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2008-04-23&chfieldto=2008-04-30&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting]  ('''7''') {{greyText|[-15 since last week]}} <!--('''5''' were 2.0-targeted, 9 were website) <!-- 1 was website, 4 were trunk-only, including 2 serious regressions) -->
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==Queues==
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review]  (11) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} <!-- '''1 untargeted''' -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview]  (3) {{greyText|[+2 since last week]}} <!-- (oldest now waiting for two weeks) (only 7 are 1.5 bugs) -->

Latest revision as of 22:39, 29 April 2008

Wed 30 Apr 9am PDT (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

General Plans

  • Camino 1.6
    • Released two Thursdays ago
    • Talkback (all 1.6 crashes—287 so far)
      • #1 is Flash
      • #2 is Core crash-on-quit
      • #3 is libobjc
      • #4 is libfontmanager.jnilib
      • #5 is old friend DesktopSericesPriv
    • Load was pretty heavy on the server, esp. on software update; need to figure out a solution that will work for 1.6.1
    • Cleaning up stuff from the website; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything.
    • Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
    • Josh says plugin bugs should be kicked to Core:Plug-ins to ensure a means of communication between Mozilla devs and plugin vendors, even if the bug is obviously the fault of the plugin. This also helps assure that such bugs don't get lost or forgotten.
  • Camino 2.0
    • Rough scoping doc at Development:Planning:Camino 2.0
    • Stuart's started triaging the 2.0 list (3 criteria: regressions, make life better now, someone working on it)
    • Stuart has started on the regressions
    • Cocoa Widget "fixes" are making life pretty rough
    • Anti-phishing update
    • Tabsposé update
    • Tab dragging?
  • Tinderboxen
    • boxset stopped reporting to tinderbox five Thurs ago; Sam working on new mail server - Bug 425138
    • something's wrong on cb-xserve01; reboot didn't help - Bug 421031
      • this happened again last week; we got it back to 421031 levels, but not pre-421031 levels
    • no new news on binus or maya?
    • ss has replacement minis for binus (to run 10.3) and mayaTrunk; mini-binus is in the colo but not accessible(?);
    • mini-mayaTrunk on loan to Sunbird; something happened to it on last week?
    • cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
    • we should think about setting up a testerbox to catch Core bugs breaking embedding APIs (mini-mayaTrunk alternate builds?)
  • Dev docs
    • Still some issues with the sample code and/or nib for the sample prefPane
      • Can someone fix cl's nib for the prefPane docs? (Bug 384800 comment 18, 19, 26)
    • Can we get a quick list of some examples in our code (mxr links) of various ways of
      • Calling private APIs
      • Writing safe code for latest-OS-only features
      Add here; we're getting more patches wanting to do these things, so even if "the" solution cannot be prescribed, examples of various situations and techniques will help
  • Weekly Bugs and Queues update
    • r queue starting to get full again

Specific bugs that need action

2.0a1pre

  • See 2.0a1? list
  • Cocoa widgets still pretty scary; there are a number of regressions we'll be stuck with
  • Security UI cleanup

1.6.1

  • More toolbar icons coming
  • OpenSearch POST fun

Other (if there's time)

  • xpfe cleanup
    • Bug 383085 has a patch to remove a number of xpfe directories
    • stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP patch
      [4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"
      [4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts
      [4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"
      [4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code :P

Queries

Camino 2.0a1

Camino 2.0

Queues

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