Status Meetings:2009-02-25:Log
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[02:30am] You were promoted to operator by chanserv. [02:30am] You changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-02-25:Agenda". [02:30am] cl was promoted to operator by you. [02:30am] jeff was promoted to operator by you. [02:30am] peeja was promoted to operator by you. [10:00am] cl is now known as cl|out. [12:06pm] smorgan joined the chat room. [12:06pm] ilya joined the chat room. [12:09pm] murph joined the chat room. [12:10pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by you. [12:10pm] ilya was promoted to operator by you. [12:10pm] murph was promoted to operator by you. [12:10pm] mento joined the chat room. [12:10pm] mento was promoted to operator by chanserv. [12:10pm] pinkerton joined the chat room. [12:10pm] pinkerton was promoted to operator by chanserv. [12:10pm] ardissone: murph++ [12:11pm] hendy joined the chat room. [12:11pm] hendy was promoted to operator by you. [12:11pm] ardissone: everyone please open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-02-25:Agenda in your Camino 2.0b2 RC1 [12:12pm] ardissone: and we'll make that the first item today, even though sam is probably not here yet [12:13pm] ardissone: per the discussion last week, we now have a 2.0b2 build [12:13pm] ardissone: hopefully everyone's been using it the past couple of days and has found nothing wrong [12:14pm] ardissone: s/nothing wrong/nothing new, stop-ship, wrong/ [12:15pm] ardissone: firefox is set to do a release on Mar 4, which I think is next Wed [12:15pm] ardissone: yes [12:15pm] ardissone: so, we don't want to get swallowed by that [12:16pm] ardissone: when do we want to release b2? [12:17pm] smorgan: ship it! [12:18pm] pinkerton: everyone else is shipping this week [12:18pm] ardissone: i don't know that i can be ready tomorrow [12:18pm] smorgan: Monday? [12:19pm] ardissone: k [12:19pm] smorgan: Assuming everyone hasn't switch to OW [12:19pm] ardissone: that gives us two.5 days on firefox [12:19pm] ardissone: nice browser, but not under development [12:20pm] smorgan: Sadly, that's what people say about Camino too [12:20pm] smorgan: Being off by a couple of days seems good enough [12:20pm] ardissone: we need a PR firm [12:20pm] ardissone: ok, and monday's definitely do-able [12:21pm] ardissone: (friday propbably is, too) [12:21pm] smorgan: Whichever looks good on the day in question then? [12:21pm] ardissone: ok [12:21pm] ardissone: i'll shoot for having the website ready for Friday [12:22pm] ardissone: on to b1 [12:22pm] ardissone: nothing terribly new in the crashes [12:22pm] ardissone: another swizzling+Address Book [12:22pm] ardissone: http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=53075806 looked unpleasant, though [12:23pm] ardissone: don't think we see it a lot [12:24pm] ardissone: nothing new on the 1.6.x fronts, either; i noted in my schedule update that 1.6.7 is coming mid-month [12:24pm] ardissone: there's supposed to be an NSS upgrade this week on 1.8.1 [12:25pm] ardissone: so we will need to do some cursory examination after that, since Firefox QA will no longer be watching [12:26pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.0b2, 2.0b1, or 1.6.x? [12:28pm] ardissone: ok [12:28pm] ardissone: on to the 2.0 train [12:29pm] ardissone: stuart's tree-shaking hasn't produced any ripe fruit yet [12:30pm] ardissone: there has been some argument on the bug about swizzling+exceptions in our Cocoa windows [12:30pm] ardissone: also on the swizzling front [12:31pm] ardissone: cl|out seems to have determined last night that swizzling is causing all the "stuck button" bugs [12:32pm] ardissone: smorgan has suggested some additional tests to run [12:33pm] smorgan: As much as I despise that code, I'm actually surprised that it appears to be the cause [12:33pm] smorgan: I'm curious to find out what specifically causes it [12:34pm] ardissone: is there any hope of a fix? [12:34pm] smorgan: Depends on how exactly it's happening [12:34pm] ardissone: k [12:34pm] ardissone: hopefully cl|out will have time to follow-up soon [12:35pm] ardissone: anti-phishing [12:35pm] ardissone: we turned off the prefs unconditionally before b2 [12:35pm] ardissone: and will turn them on again when the UI is in better shape [12:36pm] ardissone: looks like murph has a treat for l10n today, though [12:37pm] murph: yep! Very happy to have found a solution [12:38pm] murph: As one of the next steps, I would really like to change the style of the blocked page overlay [12:38pm] ardissone: how so? [12:39pm] murph: hmmm, well maybe at least just tweaking things... [12:39pm] murph: I at least want to move the buttons to the right hand side, to make it more Mac-dialog like [12:39pm] murph: and I was thinking that the "why was this site blocked?" button might make more sense as a link instead, rather than a button [12:40pm] murph: instead having the buttons "Get Me Out" and "Ignore" [12:40pm] ardissone: i don't like "Get me out" in general [12:41pm] murph: yeah, I know what you mean there... [12:41pm] ardissone: it's on my UI hitlist [12:41pm] ardissone: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/User:Sardisson/Safebrowsing_UI_Improvements [12:41pm] murph: Safari just offers a "close page" button [12:41pm] ardissone: i don't really think we should make ignore a prominent button [12:41pm] ardissone: but at any rate, i agree there are some changes needed [12:42pm] ardissone: i'd like to see you get the blocker bar working first, though, personally [12:42pm] murph: alright, I can definitely tackle that one next [12:42pm] ardissone: but we should file a bug for improvements to the overlay [12:43pm] murph: to clarify, the blocker bar is displayed after clicking on "ignore warning" and moving into the unsafe page, right? [12:43pm] ardissone: yeah [12:43pm] ardissone: and persists while on that site [12:44pm] murph: ok, I'll start working on that [12:44pm] smorgan: It should probably play Jaws music while it's showing [12:44pm] ardissone: hehe [12:45pm] ardissone: you also have a review for smorgan on the site icon [12:45pm] murph: oh that's right, I'll get to that one right away [12:45pm] ardissone: anything else from you? [12:46pm] ardissone: smorgan: any breakpad news, or other news? [12:46pm] smorgan: I've been doing some digging in breakpad, but nothing to report yet [12:47pm] ardissone: k [12:47pm] murph: nothing else from me, I'll get to those two things! [12:47pm] ardissone: [12:47pm] ardissone: hendy: news on utf-8 or flashblock CM? [12:47pm] hendy: well, i finally got back to doing some Camino coding yesterday [12:47pm] ardissone: ...and then Flash attacked [12:48pm] hendy: yeah [12:48pm] hendy: flashblock CM is nearly ready to attach to the bug [12:48pm] ardissone: [12:48pm] hendy: there are a few issues which i need others' advice about [12:48pm] hendy: but i'll put up the patch and people can have at it then [12:48pm] ardissone: sound great! [12:49pm] hendy: utf-8 needs a bit more work [12:49pm] hendy: mainly getting my head around pasteboard flavours [12:49pm] hendy: but that should be ok [12:49pm] ardissone: fun! [12:50pm] ardissone: sounds good, though [12:50pm] hendy: yeah, it was good to get back into it again [12:50pm] ardissone: [12:50pm] ardissone: ilya: you've escaped homework and have been poking downloads again? [12:51pm] ilya: brief escape, yeah [12:52pm] ilya: still pretty busy though [12:52pm] ardissone: k [12:52pm] ardissone: !seen NSControl [12:52pm] ardissone: er, jeff [12:53pm] ardissone: jeff: besides late night cursing of murph, anything else to tell us? [12:53pm] murph: hehehe [12:53pm] ilya: brb [12:53pm] ilya left the chat room. (Quit: ilya) [12:54pm] ardissone: suspects jeff's not here [12:54pm] ardissone: anyone else have anything on 2.0 in general? [12:55pm] ardissone: i think the only other news we have is that boxset's stopped reporting to tinderbox yet again [12:55pm] ardissone: it seems to have corresponded with an internet outage at Sam's [12:55pm] ardissone: but he says everything looks fine [12:55pm] ardissone: so he's supposed to be talking to IT [12:55pm] hendy: eric meyer is getting impatient [12:56pm] ardissone: yeah ;) he's not seen the poor-man's whitelist, i guess [12:57pm] ardissone: (in the meantime, continue monitoring perf via the at-a-glance page, http://www.ardisson.org/smokey/moz/perf.html?size=50&days=2&avg=1&autoscale=1 ) [12:58pm] ilya joined the chat room. [12:58pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on anything? [1:00pm] ardissone: ok then [1:00pm] ardissone: let's try to keep going and finish off (and polish) our 2.0 goals/features [1:00pm] ardissone: we've started to pick up some momentum again :D [1:01pm] ardissone: ...and we can't keep keeping eric meyer waiting ;) [1:01pm] ardissone: have a great week, everyone!