Status Meetings:2009-09-16:Log
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[03:26am] You were promoted to operator by ChanServ. [03:26am] You changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-09-16:Agenda". [11:01am] ss left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [11:05am] ss joined the chat room. [11:05am] ss was promoted to operator by ChanServ. [12:01pm] murph joined the chat room. [12:01pm] smorgan joined the chat room. [12:04pm] You left the chat by being disconnected from the server. [12:06pm] You rejoined the room. [12:06pm] You were promoted to operator by ChanServ. [12:06pm] murph was promoted to operator by you. [12:06pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by you. [12:06pm] You are now known as ardissone|foraging. [12:11pm] ardissone|foraging: well [12:11pm] ardissone|foraging: smorgan: are we expecting pink? [12:12pm] smorgan: checking... [12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: um? [12:17pm] smorgan: no pink [12:17pm] ardissone|foraging: ok [12:18pm] ardissone|foraging: everyone (all 2 of you ) please open your 2.0b4rc1 or newer to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-09-16:Agenda [12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: there's nothing particularly new and exciting about the b3 crashes, other than the JEP now accounts for almost half of them (and growing) [12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: [12:19pm] ardissone|foraging: looking forward to not seeing that [12:19pm] smorgan: If only we had a fix ready to ship! [12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: which segues right into b4 [12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: we froze monday night [12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: we built last night [12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: looking to release end-of-week [12:20pm] ardissone|foraging: i have to do that bit-of-web stuff that the milestone takes, and stuart has to do the signing [12:21pm] ardissone|foraging: so far no crashes reported [12:22pm] ardissone|foraging: anyone else have anything on b3/b4? [12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: ok then [12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: 1.6.9 [12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: Flash still the topcrasher there [12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: #2 this week is disturbing, though [12:23pm] ardissone|foraging: its in ATS on 10.4.11 [12:24pm] ardissone|foraging: a variety of codepaths leading in (plugins, layout, etc) [12:24pm] ardissone|foraging: i wonder if the recent security update might have caused it? [12:25pm] smorgan: tries to load the reports [12:25pm] smorgan: I'm sure going to miss this server [12:25pm] You are now known as ardissone. [12:25pm] ardissone: yeah, for sure [12:26pm] ardissone: just think, though: at one point it was faster and more useable than socorro! [12:28pm] ardissone: also on 1.6.9/10.6, we've got a guy in the forum who looks like he's got nativescollbar crashes: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=7527685#p7527685 [12:28pm] smorgan: Weird [12:29pm] ardissone: which one? [12:29pm] smorgan: Just Camino, not other apps? [12:29pm] ardissone: i assume so [12:30pm] ardissone: no haxies, it appears [12:31pm] smorgan: I'm not really sure how to debug that, since it doesn't involve our code as far as I can tell [12:31pm] smorgan: And we don't do anything wacky with scrollbars [12:31pm] ardissone: yeah [12:31pm] ardissone: objc[188]: FREED(id): message setDoubleValue: sent to freed object=0x164b0ca0 [12:31pm] ardissone: hrm, both crashes he posted are still 10.6, too; at very least, he should try 10.6.1 [12:32pm] ardissone: i'll poke him further [12:32pm] smorgan: I wonder if it's a specific page [12:32pm] smorgan: Scrollbar in the page getting ripped out at an inopportune moment [12:32pm] smorgan: Maybe also just try b4 [12:32pm] ardissone: dunno; he just mentioned "crashing more than usual" [12:33pm] ardissone: yeah [12:33pm] ardissone: have you found anything interesting in the ATS reports? [12:33pm] smorgan: Oh hey, now it loads [12:33pm] ardissone: haha [12:35pm] smorgan: I wonder if this is the same person [12:35pm] smorgan: Lots of low since-last-crash numbers [12:35pm] ardissone: mm [12:35pm] ardissone: was awful crashy for him/her then [12:36pm] smorgan: Bad font, potentially [12:37pm] ardissone: ok then [12:37pm] ardissone: 1.6.10 [12:38pm] ardissone: we're just waiting on kill-java, as long as nothing else surfaces [12:38pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 1.6.x? [12:40pm] ardissone: ok, backstretch-to-2.0 roundup [12:40pm] ardissone: murph: have you done any poking on forcing the tooltip to display on 10.5 and up? [12:41pm] murph: Unfortunately I haven't been able to experiment a great deal with that yet, but I will see if I can determine a way [12:42pm] ardissone: it's a lower priority than, say, guessing good zoom increments or helping finish up tabsposé [12:42pm] murph: ok, I will put those higher on the list for sure then [12:43pm] ardissone: we might have to send you up to Boston to pry that NSControl patch off of jeff's HD [12:44pm] murph: hehe well I will be up there staying with him next month for an iPhone conference [12:44pm] ardissone: that's probably too late [12:44pm] ardissone: no one's mentioned anything in the forum about the new zoom increment so far, which i find odd [12:46pm] ardissone: smorgan: what's the latest on the key blackhole stuff? [12:47pm] smorgan: I suggested a couple small changes to josh, but haven't heard anything since. I'll try to get a patch made this weekend if josh doesn't [12:47pm] smorgan: Then I'll rework our delete and esc code [12:47pm] ardissone: you have the Camino changes written? [12:47pm] smorgan: Not yet [12:47pm] ardissone: ah, ok [12:49pm] ardissone: getting breakpad to offer to resend a report that failed (e.g., on next launch, like Talkback) would have to be done upstream, no? [12:50pm] smorgan: Probably, yeah [12:50pm] ardissone: k [12:51pm] ardissone: i think that and console scraping are the only things on the breakpad list it would be nice to have [12:51pm] smorgan: It would also need more UI/stings [12:51pm] ardissone: but neither of them are critical [12:51pm] smorgan: strings, even [12:51pm] ardissone: mmm [12:51pm] ardissone: yes, indeed [12:52pm] ardissone: sparkle: will 1.5 ever go final? if so, will we take it, or stick with our current rev? [12:52pm] ardissone: (strings permitting) [12:52pm] smorgan: Dunno if it'll go final, but I'll continue to watch and evaluate changes [12:52pm] ardissone: k [12:53pm] ardissone: fun fonts tab done; no more advanced sheet! [12:53pm] smorgan: We could cherry-pick if necessary, but I'm hoping we won't [12:53pm] ardissone: k [12:53pm] ardissone: thanks to murph and hendy and smorgan for all the code that enabled us to get rid of it! [12:54pm] ardissone: i already mentioned we checked in a small change to zoom to get feedback on it from b4 [12:54pm] ardissone: Gecko strings: heroic debugging by smorgan got us NSS strings! [12:55pm] ardissone: which is good, because we were using two stringbundles in our own Cocoa UI code [12:55pm] ardissone: so that's all done for 2.0 [12:55pm] ardissone: we're missing two minor properties files, and of course DTDs, but 2.0 will be 100x better for l10n than anything ever before [12:56pm] ardissone: hopefully we'll see some feedback (or maybe lack of feedback will continue) from 10.4 folks on the new tab bar [12:56pm] ardissone: hoping it looks OK [12:57pm] ardissone: On the 2.0 front, we have 10 bugs currently targeted at 2.0, 2 blocking; and also 10 bugs nominated [12:57pm] ardissone: that's where we need to focus our efforts, obviously ;) [12:58pm] ardissone: whittle those lists down with fixes and minuses where appropriate [12:58pm] ardissone: that's not counting Esc and delete, though [12:58pm] kreeger joined the chat room. [12:59pm] ardissone: since we've been pessimistic on them for 6mos now and don't want to raise a riot of bugpeople :P [12:59pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else on 2.0? [1:01pm] ardissone: how about on anything else? [1:02pm] ardissone: ok then [1:03pm] ardissone: everyone have a good week and work on those 2.0 bugs/patches :D