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Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-02-03 02:59:41 -0500
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03:00 | ardissone: | er |
03:00 | ardissone: | i suppose i really don't need to be here for another 12+ hours :P |
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16:01 | ardissone: | ok, are we missing anyone? |
16:01 | ardissone: | re-scans the #camino list |
16:02 | ardissone: | unless ilya or dan show up, i guess |
16:02 | ardissone: | so, everyone please open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-02-03:Agenda in your Camino 2.0.1 or later :P |
16:02 | ardissone: | The most interesting thing about 2.0.1 is that crashes fell hard |
16:03 | ardissone: | not sure if Socorro is broken or what |
16:03 | ardissone: | we don't have ping stats for the past two weeks, but prior to that the numbers had been pretty stable |
16:04 | ardissone: | so i'm really not sure what's going on |
16:04 | smorgan: | Maybe the universe got better |
16:04 | ardissone: | everyone decided to turn off Flash! |
16:04 | pinkerton: | heh |
16:04 | ardissone: | well, not everyone, but another ~10% or so :P |
16:05 | ardissone: | so i really have nothing else to say about 2.0.1 |
16:05 | ardissone: | anyone else have anything to say about 2.0.1? |
16:06 | pinkerton: | no |
16:06 | Wevah: | i don't |
16:06 | ardissone: | ok |
16:07 | ardissone: | on 1.6.10, crashes fell slightly again; I forgot to count the Flash crashes this time, but seemed like about half by eyeballs |
16:07 | ardissone: | on 1.6.11, there are a few new nominations depending on when we ship (new Flashblock, new ad-blocking), but that's it |
16:07 | ardissone: | still no idea of a Gecko ship date |
16:08 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else on 1.6.x? |
16:08 | ardissone: | on the 2.0.2 front, we're getting closer to the Gecko release date |
16:09 | ardissone: | as far as Camino, we're basically waiting on a new patch from cl for the Flash exceptions list validation |
16:10 | ardissone: | hendy: can you recap what you discovered about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541743 ? |
16:10 | ardissone: | has half-asleep memories of something |
16:10 | hendy: | well, i did an NS_ADDREF on the docshell in that method |
16:11 | hendy: | and it stopped crashing |
16:11 | hendy: | but it leaked a lot, so i'm guessing we need a release call somewhere |
16:12 | ardissone: | somewhere else in docshell? |
16:12 | hendy: | somewhere in nsWebBrowser |
16:12 | ardissone: | er, right |
16:13 | smorgan: | You should post the fact that it fixes it to the bug |
16:13 | smorgan: | bzbarsky may have more suggestions from there |
16:13 | hendy: | righto |
16:13 | ardissone: | yeah, that's true; he might even come up with a patch magically |
16:14 | ardissone: | it's been known to happen |
16:14 | ardissone: | :) |
16:15 | ardissone: | on bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541897 we've got a lot of logging info |
16:15 | ardissone: | i have no clue what it means |
16:16 | ardissone: | other than plug-ins suck |
16:16 | ardissone: | so if we have some other ideas where to go next, that would be good |
16:17 | smorgan: | Looks like we aren't telling plugins when windows are hidden |
16:17 | ardissone: | if the bug is as bad as Armen says it is for people who do use Flash on 10.6, it's pretty awful |
16:18 | ardissone: | oh, i remember now poking around in ChildView trying to find something, too |
16:18 | smorgan: | Ideally the next step would be for someone to build Firefox and see what the stack is for the NPP_SetWindow call on hid |
16:18 | smorgan: | e |
16:18 | smorgan: | So we can see what it is that we need to be calling to inform the plugin |
16:18 | ardissone: | ok |
16:19 | smorgan: | Actually... that may not be the problem |
16:19 | smorgan: | I'd need to look at the plugin source to see what those NULLs are |
16:20 | ardissone: | "Hide" is implemented all automatically for us by some bit of Cocoa, right? |
16:20 | smorgan: | Not telling the plugin that it is hidden should just be a perf hit, now that I think about it |
16:20 | ardissone: | heh |
16:21 | smorgan: | I'll look at the plugin source |
16:21 | ardissone: | OK |
16:22 | ardissone: | i still haven't gotten back to that idea of alternate method of l10n for error/certerror pages |
16:23 | ardissone: | so, given other things, probably not a 2.0.x thing any more |
16:23 | ardissone: | anyone else have anything for 2.0.x? |
16:24 | ardissone: | ok, on to 2.1 |
16:25 | ardissone: | dan's "auto-appearing autocomplete window" got sr along with one of the minor patches; need new patches for checkin |
16:25 | ardissone: | the perf patch, smorgan is in the middle of reviewing |
16:25 | ardissone: | i think it looks like it will need at least another go-round? |
16:26 | smorgan: | Yeah |
16:27 | ardissone: | and i think we really need to have that worked out for an alpha; i can't dogfood the current perf |
16:28 | ardissone: | philippe has started working on fixing our issues with the toolbar icons :) |
16:29 | ardissone: | and now over to hendy for the weekly mork-EOL update :) |
16:29 | cl: | I've been living with it, but current perf is *really* starting to wear on me. |
16:29 | hendy: | well, there's a patch up |
16:29 | cl: | especially because I use history as bookmarks so much of the time |
16:29 | hendy: | seems to work ok |
16:30 | hendy: | it's more or less the same way of loading the history from the db |
16:30 | hendy: | and performance is about the same |
16:31 | cl: | That's better than nothing :) |
16:31 | hendy: | but it should be enough for 2.1 |
16:32 | hendy: | going forward, i think we can begin moving towards smarter loading and querying |
16:32 | ardissone: | be sure we file follow-ups on that, maybe even right now |
16:32 | hendy: | ie: translate autocomplete searches straight into navhistoryqueries |
16:33 | hendy: | yeah, i'll file stuff as soon as i get a better handle on what areas need improving, and in what way |
16:33 | ardissone: | k |
16:34 | ardissone: | i'll start trying to get a 1.9.1 build to track down basic build-config and packaging changes |
16:35 | hendy: | the good news is that dan's perf patch looks compatible with my changes |
16:35 | ardissone: | :D |
16:35 | ardissone: | over the last week or so, I've managed (with much pain and some less-than-optimal results) to get camino/ into an Hg test repo: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/alqahira_ardisson.org/camino-test/ |
16:36 | ardissone: | lots of checkins got split into multiple parts, for unknown reasons |
16:36 | smorgan: | Dog slow CVS checkins? |
16:36 | ardissone: | not really |
16:36 | ardissone: | i mean, that's some of it |
16:37 | ardissone: | but look at the timestamps on the 2.0.1 relnotes or your bookmark refactor |
16:38 | ardissone: | there's a missed file or something in the last part of the bookmark refactor, but the other checkins for it are all the same timestamp |
16:38 | ardissone: | (click the stupid ... at the bottom of the table to show more checkins) |
16:40 | ardissone: | at any rate, i hadn't gotten to the point of figuring out how to make a unified pull/build, which is the next thing before a repo is usable |
16:41 | ardissone: | but for the moment, i'm going to switch tracks to the build-changes for 1.9.1, so we can see what a 1.9.1 looks like |
16:41 | ardissone: | and see if it seems viable or "a waste of time" ;) |
16:42 | ardissone: | which brings us back to today |
16:42 | ardissone: | we have no idea if 1.9.1 is feasible yet, but we also don't have dan's perf patch, either |
16:44 | ardissone: | so we need to push back Alpha 1 until then, and reasonably the 1.9.1 yes/no decision, too |
16:45 | ardissone: | anyone have any other thoughts on 2.1? |
16:46 | Wevah: | i wish i had something to interject |
16:46 | Wevah: | but no :) |
16:46 | ardissone: | hehe |
16:46 | ardissone: | ok, i want to flip-around the other items |
16:46 | ardissone: | Did everyone see that we're one of the finalists for About.com's Best Independent Web Browser? |
16:47 | cl: | I did. And voted for us. :) |
16:47 | pinkerton: | really? |
16:47 | ardissone: | yes |
16:47 | pinkerton: | nice. |
16:47 | cl: | pinkerton: don't get too excited; the competition we're up against isn't very good, IMO :-p |
16:47 | ardissone: | (note that despite MoCo PR's efforts to get fx in that category, fx is only in the major browser category ;) ) |
16:47 | pinkerton: | is the webkit browser steve jobs built onstage also in the running? |
16:47 | cl: | (as in, one of them I had never even heard of) |
16:47 | ardissone: | no, just Flock :P |
16:48 | ardissone: | two IE shells |
16:48 | ardissone: | and...i can't remember #5 |
16:48 | cl: | pinkerton: I think that browser has more users than the IE shell other than Maxthon that's in it |
16:48 | cl: | at least people have heard of Maxthon :-p |
16:48 | pinkerton: | heh |
16:48 | cl: | this other thing was some crazy IE shell that had all of one vote :-p |
16:49 | ardissone: | anyway, going to try to write up a post for the Camino blog like for the last time one of these contests had us in it |
16:49 | pinkerton: | nice |
16:49 | ardissone: | not sure yet when the voting ends |
16:50 | ardissone: | anyway, that's pretty cool that a Mac-only browser made it :) |
16:50 | ardissone: | next |
16:50 | ardissone: | ss: updates on AppZapper? |
16:51 | ardissone: | ok |
16:51 | ardissone: | also, Summer of Code |
16:52 | ardissone: | it always jumps up on us |
16:52 | ardissone: | http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Good_Bugs_and_Projects#Summer_of_Code_2009 shows what we ended up with last year |
16:52 | cl: | wow, way to be proactive on that one |
16:52 | ardissone: | it's Feb |
16:52 | ardissone: | projects are due in Mar usually |
16:52 | cl: | heh. I probably would have thought of that around the end of March :-p |
16:53 | ardissone: | pinkerton, smorgan: will you both be available for mentors again this summer? |
16:53 | pinkerton: | probably, not sure if i'm doing anything with chromium.org |
16:53 | smorgan: | I'm not sure yet |
16:54 | pinkerton: | we can probably make something work |
16:54 | ardissone: | ok |
16:55 | ardissone: | next question: do we still think the "Suggestions" are valid, aside from the mentor question and the one dan did? |
16:56 | smorgan: | I'd say so |
16:56 | ardissone: | ok, i'll go ahead and update that part of the page for 2010 |
16:57 | ardissone: | and if you have additional project ideas, add them in the scratchpad section |
16:58 | ardissone: | pinkerton: wrt that patch of mine: are you saying we should dispense with sr for trivial patches? |
16:59 | pinkerton: | it looked like a bookkeeping question ("which url to send something to") not really a coding question |
16:59 | pinkerton: | if someone else says "yes, that's the right url" you don't need me to bless it. |
16:59 | ardissone: | ok |
17:00 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else on anything today? |
17:02 | ardissone: | whoever next sees ss should poke him about AppZapper |
17:02 | pinkerton: | alaina wants a monkey |
17:02 | ardissone: | not a pony? |
17:02 | pinkerton: | don't give her any ideas |
17:02 | ardissone: | whoops |
17:02 | Wevah: | haha |
17:03 | ardissone: | likewise, we should poke cl about his formatter ;) |
17:03 | cl: | is wearing poke-resistant clothing |
17:03 | cl: | grumbles something about doing the right thing for users even if it's extra work |
17:03 | ardissone: | it feels like a better, more productive meeting today; not sure if that's true or just me |
17:04 | ardissone: | "4pm placebo effect" :P |
17:04 | Wevah: | which formatter? |
17:04 | ardissone: | ok, everyone have a good afternoon then, and see you next week |