Status Meetings:2010-02-17:Log
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Log from #camino-mtg starting 2010-02-17 14:50:10 -0500
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15:55 | pink_mbp: | hrm, it doesn't like my password |
15:56 | ardissone: | the servers appeared to have rebooted this afternoon |
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16:00 | » hendy was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:00 | ardissone: | brb |
16:06 | ardissone: | ok |
16:06 | ardissone: | i'm guessing this is all we're getting today :( |
16:06 | ardissone: | Everyone please open your Camino 2.0.2rc or newer to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2010-02-17:Agenda ;) |
16:07 | ardissone: | if this makes no sense today, i was trying to spin a release with bonsai down, with a headache, and other sorts of fun :P |
16:08 | ardissone: | On 2.0.1, there was a huge jump in crashes over the last week |
16:08 | ardissone: | up over 1K |
16:08 | ardissone: | the vast majority of them were Flash |
16:08 | ardissone: | surprise, surprise |
16:09 | ardissone: | there's also a series of Flash-triggered crashes in OS font code that have been coming on strong |
16:10 | ardissone: | the nativeThemeCocoa crash and Armen's crash were both up this week, too |
16:11 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else on 2.0.1? |
16:12 | ardissone: | on 1.6.10, crashes there continue to decline; the % of Flash crashes continue to rise |
16:12 | ardissone: | at 45% currently :P |
16:13 | ardissone: | nothing new on the 1.6.11 front, other than we'll not take the newer Flashblock there :P |
16:13 | ardissone: | Anyone have anything else on 1.6.x? |
16:15 | ardissone: | on 2.0.2, philippe found a last-minute Flashblock regression (blocked Silverlight unconditionally) on Monday |
16:15 | ardissone: | thanks to everyone who helped get a fix in in 24hrs |
16:16 | ardissone: | I built the 2.0.2rc last night in the midst of moz system failures |
16:16 | ardissone: | (so extra sanity-checking would help) |
16:17 | ardissone: | The Gecko release is going to be today; we're shooting for next Tues |
16:17 | ardissone: | have a few relnotes in from l10n, and Marcello's going to be in London EOW/weekend |
16:18 | ardissone: | on 2.0.3, cl reported he had nothing to report, so the Flash exceptions list fix is still in limbo |
16:18 | ardissone: | On Armen's crash, i think hendy should just ask bz for review; it seems to work |
16:19 | hendy: | righto |
16:21 | ardissone: | put it through the tryserver on 1.9.2 the other day and didn't see anything that seemed bad, though frankly it's hard to tell :P |
16:22 | ardissone: | also on the 2.0.x front is the evil 10.6 Flash spam |
16:23 | ardissone: | philippe got some more verbose logs this week |
16:24 | ardissone: | it's hard to tell from user comments whether things get bad during use, or only if log rotation hangs their machines |
16:25 | ardissone: | anything else on 2.0.x? |
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16:26 | ardissone: | ok, on 2.1 |
16:26 | ardissone: | on autocomplete, the ball is back in Dan's court |
16:27 | ardissone: | at least in the 1.9.2 build, the auto-appearing window isn't fixed |
16:27 | ardissone: | and sometimes autocomplete triggers random pages from history or incorrect URLs |
16:27 | ardissone: | i haven't been able to pin down good STRs for any of the things I've seen |
16:28 | ardissone: | cl alluded that he had seen some of them in 1.9.0 builds |
16:29 | ardissone: | so it's possible that something bizarre makes it worse |
16:29 | ardissone: | dunno |
16:30 | ardissone: | we haven't heard from dan in a few weeks; hopefully now that smorgan's done with the perf patch review we'll see him again soon |
16:31 | ardissone: | On history, kreeger says he hopes to get to hendy's patch EOW or the weekend |
16:32 | ardissone: | Monday night we put out a 1.9.2-based build and notified the forum |
16:32 | ardissone: | so far we haven't heard of too many issues, surprisingly |
16:33 | ardissone: | I've been pulling things out and listing them http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/User:Sardisson/Gecko_1.9.2_Bugs |
16:33 | hendy: | people are liking the speed |
16:33 | ardissone: | generally, there are some focus-related issues (I added another one today) |
16:34 | ardissone: | the random IdleTimerVector crashes |
16:34 | ardissone: | and there's a dl folder regression |
16:34 | smorgan: | The Internet Config stuff got ripped out IIRC |
16:34 | ardissone: | yeah |
16:35 | ardissone: | i think it's two prefs now |
16:35 | ardissone: | one for the folder, and one to say if you use the pref for the folder |
16:36 | ardissone: | i think sdwilsh changed it before the IC stuff got ripped out, which is why josh could say the IC code was dead |
16:36 | smorgan: | It certainly should be dead :P |
16:37 | ardissone: | i'm going to see about rebuilding this PM with smichaud's fix-for-the-fix-for-the-original-IdleTimerVector crash and see if it helps |
16:37 | ardissone: | that's the thing that's most worrisome to me right now |
16:38 | ardissone: | (smaug showed up in the forum thread and asked us to file bugs on focus issues and cc him and enn, so I have hope that any Core parts will get fixed) |
16:38 | ardissone: | so |
16:39 | ardissone: | i *think* probably by next week we should be able to say whether 1.9.2 will be viable |
16:40 | ardissone: | anyone have anything else on 2.1? |
16:42 | ardissone: | oh, i should say i'm still wrestling with the cvs->hg conversion; this last attempt turned out even worse, with more changesets split up, and some random tags :P |
16:43 | ardissone: | Summer of Code: still adding things to the scratchpad |
16:43 | ardissone: | keep adding ideas you have |
16:44 | ardissone: | someone pointed out in the forum that we're also nominated in "Best Mac Browser" in the about.com awards |
16:45 | ardissone: | we're losing to everyone but OW there :P |
16:45 | ardissone: | http://macs.about.com/od/readertoreader/ss/readers-choice-2010-vote_8.htm |
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16:45 | smorgan: | Wow, almost 500 total votes |
16:45 | » ilya was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:45 | ardissone: | yeah :P |
16:45 | smorgan: | Clearly getting a good sample of the whole internet |
16:46 | ardissone: | there are far more votes in the independent browser category :P |
16:47 | ardissone: | (most of them for K-Meleon) :P |
16:47 | ardissone: | ss: any updates on the AppZapper stuff? |
16:50 | ardissone: | ahem |
16:51 | ardissone: | well, on the bugs front, we've done a lot of work that's not showing up in bugs |
16:52 | ardissone: | anyone have anything on anything else today? |
16:54 | ilya: | oh, on the website front -- the main picture |
16:54 | ilya: | are we using JS to do the image rotation? |
16:54 | ardissone: | mhm |
16:54 | ilya: | it bugs me that I have "play animated images only once" checked and it continues to loop :P |
16:54 | ardissone: | haha |
16:55 | ardissone: | go ahead and file that |
16:55 | ardissone: | we need to have a better non-js experience for it, too |
16:55 | ilya: | k |
16:56 | ardissone: | also, i meant to say before on the 1.9.2 bugs |
16:56 | ardissone: | there's a multitouch problem, too; not sure if it's focus or something else |
16:57 | smorgan: | Gecko added multi-touch support |
16:57 | smorgan: | They are probably eating them before we see them |
16:57 | ardissone: | and that broke ours? |
16:57 | ardissone: | ah |
16:57 | ardissone: | ew |
16:58 | smorgan: | I had been watching the bug back in the day, but when it became clear it was post-1.9.0-only I stopped paying attention |
16:58 | ardissone: | any idea off-hand if it'd be easily fixable? |
16:59 | smorgan: | I imagine it would mean setting up event handlers for the events they send, however that works |
16:59 | smorgan: | Assuming embedders can do that |
16:59 | ardissone: | heh |
16:59 | ardissone: | "js-only" :P |
16:59 | smorgan: | I don't know how they ended up being plumbed |
17:00 | ardissone: | ok |
17:01 | smorgan: | bug 412486 comment 46 sounds like the answer |
17:02 | ardissone: | ok |
17:03 | ardissone: | at any rate, please do keep playing with the 1.9.2 builds so that we see what's broken; the more things we try, the better our decision-making will be and the less likely we'll be blind-sided later on by something we've missed |
17:05 | ardissone: | ok, everyone please work on 2.1-related bugs/reviews and have a good week :) |