Status Meetings:2011-03-30:Log
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Log from #camino-mtg starting 2011-03-30 15:59:26 -0400
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15:59 | » ardissone was promoted to operator by ChanServ. | |
15:59 | » pinkerton was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
15:59 | ardissone: | brb |
16:08 | ardissone: | guesses stuart's at lunch? |
16:08 | pinkerton: | not sure, haven't seem him around for a few hours |
16:09 | pinkerton: | idle 3 hours at work |
16:09 | ardissone: | yeah, he hasn't said anything in #camino since 2:45 |
16:09 | pinkerton: | maybe he's doing visa stuff |
16:10 | ardissone: | he's joining ss as a world traveller? :) |
16:10 | » smorgan joined the chat room. | |
16:10 | » smorgan was promoted to operator by ardissone. | |
16:10 | ardissone: | ok |
16:10 | pinkerton: | speak of the devil |
16:10 | » ardissone changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2011-03-30:Agenda". | |
16:10 | ardissone: | :) |
16:11 | ardissone: | I guess we lead this week with the doom-and-gloom |
16:11 | ardissone: | http://caminobrowser.org/blog/2011/#mozembedding for anyone who hasn't seen it |
16:12 | pinkerton: | i'm surprised i haven't gotten any pings about it |
16:12 | ardissone: | (stuart's also done a couple of nice follow-ups on his own; check them out via caminoplanet or escapedthoughts) |
16:12 | smorgan: | pinkerton: except that one email ;) |
16:12 | pinkerton: | except some fucknut on feedback telling us that we're not useful anymore |
16:12 | pinkerton: | yeah. |
16:12 | ardissone: | yeah, reaction has been muted |
16:13 | ardissone: | :P |
16:13 | ardissone: | not sure if everyone is distracted by comodogate, wwdc-is-broken-gate, or what |
16:14 | pinkerton: | heh |
16:14 | ardissone: | 10.6.7-font-crash-gate :P |
16:14 | pinkerton: | mmm yeah |
16:15 | ardissone: | but as the post said, we're back to work on Camino.now |
16:15 | ardissone: | since last Tuesday, we've got 2/3 of 2.0.6's users to 2.0.7, and 3/4 of 2.1a1's users to 2.1a2pre |
16:17 | ardissone: | the bizarre thing on 2.1.x is that there are still more crashes for 2.1a1 than for 2.1a2pre :P |
16:17 | smorgan: | That means we rock! ;) |
16:17 | ardissone: | i didn't really spend much time poking at that |
16:17 | ardissone: | ? |
16:17 | smorgan: | We fixed all the crashes |
16:17 | smorgan: | Even the ones we don't understand |
16:17 | ardissone: | oh, haha |
16:17 | smorgan: | Or are in Flash or Gecko |
16:17 | ardissone: | :D |
16:18 | ardissone: | s/we/smorgan/ ;) |
16:18 | ardissone: | on 2.0.7 |
16:19 | smorgan: | (Camino 2 Intel's Flash numbers for yesterday: 30%/12%/42%) |
16:19 | ardissone: | smorgan: do we have new Flash numbers? |
16:19 | ardissone: | haha! |
16:19 | ardissone: | what's the third value? |
16:19 | smorgan: | 10.1r102 |
16:19 | ardissone: | k |
16:20 | smorgan: | 2.0.7 overal is 40%/9%/38% |
16:20 | ardissone: | iirc, the first number has gone up since last week |
16:20 | smorgan: | These are both the including-welcome-and-start values |
16:20 | ardissone: | mhm |
16:20 | smorgan: | Yep, progress is being made on 10.2.latest |
16:20 | ardissone: | :) |
16:20 | smorgan: | I think having it be #1 for 2.0.7 users is new |
16:21 | ardissone: | :) |
16:21 | smorgan: | (Safari is 11%/16%/34% for comparison) |
16:21 | ardissone: | :O |
16:21 | smorgan: | Yeah, I think it's safe to say our prompt helps |
16:21 | pinkerton: | wait, what? |
16:22 | ardissone: | Vistors to cbo |
16:22 | smorgan: | Oh wait, 17% have "not set". Weird |
16:22 | ardissone: | no Flash? |
16:23 | smorgan: | I guess |
16:23 | smorgan: | (Chrome: 97%/1%/<1% in case you were wondering ;) ) |
16:24 | ardissone: | apparently shipping one's own Flash+silent updates really helps ;) |
16:24 | pinkerton: | shock |
16:24 | ardissone: | The other stat-of-the-day is that our PPC usage finally dropped below 25% this week (24.97%, so just barely) |
16:25 | pinkerton: | wow |
16:26 | smorgan: | We should run OS+arch numbers again sometime from raw data |
16:27 | ardissone: | 10.3 is under 8%; 10.4 ~17%, 10.5 ~25%, 10.6 ~50% |
16:28 | ardissone: | i can get you a weekly logfile; they're about 75MB uncompressed |
16:28 | smorgan: | Sounds good |
16:28 | ardissone: | depending on the # of garbage pings that week :P |
16:29 | ardissone: | ok, on to 2.0.7 crashes |
16:29 | ardissone: | crash rate is about what we'd expect for a week |
16:30 | ardissone: | a bit lower due to early adoption |
16:30 | ardissone: | also |
16:30 | ardissone: | It appears that certain font-related crashes are not triggering Breakpad |
16:30 | ardissone: | so any of them we cannot see :( |
16:32 | ardissone: | ( some crashes do) |
16:32 | ardissone: | otherwise, the crashes are as expected :P |
16:33 | ardissone: | smorgan: any idea why those apparently aren't triggering breakpad? |
16:33 | smorgan: | You said they were C++ exceptions, right? |
16:33 | smorgan: | Maybe Breakpad doesn't catch those? |
16:34 | ardissone: | I thought I saw something about C++ exceptions in the stacks, yes |
16:34 | smorgan: | I don't know enough about the exact implementation of how Breakpad watches crashes to know if that's true |
16:34 | ardissone: | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1194790 |
16:35 | pinkerton: | i'm pretty sure C++ exceptions aren't the kind of signals that breakpad catches. i think it just calls exit() at the top level |
16:35 | pinkerton: | ah, abort |
16:35 | pinkerton: | maybe ask mento? |
16:35 | smorgan: | mento says "iffy" on 10.6 |
16:35 | pinkerton: | doesn't seem like that would be caught. |
16:35 | ardissone: | k |
16:36 | smorgan: | So it's nothing we are doing wrong |
16:36 | ardissone: | :) |
16:36 | pinkerton: | what's throwing an exception? is that 3rd party code? |
16:36 | pinkerton: | gecko doesn't use exceptions |
16:36 | ardissone: | still sad, but good things aren't us |
16:36 | ardissone: | libFontParser.dylib ? |
16:37 | pinkerton: | shouldn't throw C++ exceptions, nothing in the frameworks should be doing that |
16:37 | ardissone: | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646016#c4 is a the full report i excerpted |
16:37 | ardissone: | it's all OS until frame 24 |
16:38 | ardissone: | 24 org.mozilla.camino 0x007418da gfxAtsuiFont::InitMetrics(unsigned long, unsigned long) + 364 |
16:38 | pinkerton: | yuck |
16:38 | pinkerton: | that's pretty shitty |
16:38 | smorgan: | pinkerton: I'm pretty sure the frameworks shouldn't be crashing in any form ;) |
16:38 | ardissone: | the font fixes in 10.6.7 seem pretty broken |
16:39 | ardissone: | they broke PS fonts again, apparently |
16:39 | pinkerton: | maybe post to frameworksIT and say "hey, why is your shitty framework throwing exceptions through my code?!" |
16:39 | smorgan: | The good news is that since breakpad is firing, they are getting all of these |
16:39 | ardissone: | s/is/isn't/ |
16:39 | ardissone: | :) |
16:39 | smorgan: | Right |
16:39 | ardissone: | yeah |
16:39 | pinkerton: | like they care |
16:39 | smorgan: | So unless everyone already updated to FF4, the FF3.6 flood should be pretty big |
16:40 | ardissone: | and that hasn't been pushed yet |
16:40 | ardissone: | i've heard very scattered reports of Chrome having the same problems, too |
16:40 | smorgan: | Oh, it doesn't AU yet? |
16:40 | ardissone: | no |
16:40 | ardissone: | they have to shake out all the bugs yet |
16:40 | ardissone: | maybe not until 4.0.1 |
16:41 | ardissone: | a manual check for updates might get 4 now; i forget |
16:41 | ardissone: | they were talking about doing that at one point |
16:41 | ardissone: | anyway… |
16:41 | ardissone: | font crashes suck |
16:42 | ardissone: | i blogged the fix |
16:42 | ardissone: | http://www.ardisson.org/afkar/2011/03/29/camino-crashes-after-upgrading-to-mac-os-x-10-6-7/ |
16:42 | ardissone: | so hopefully some people will see that |
16:42 | ardissone: | plus we've got a thread on the forum |
16:43 | ardissone: | there's one 1P toolbar crash with an email; i'll try to email him |
16:43 | ardissone: | LastPass must have a new version |
16:44 | ardissone: | LastPass |
16:44 | smorgan: | I still haven't emailed them again |
16:44 | ardissone: | where the next frame is the old [BWC tabView:didSelectTabViewItem:] |
16:44 | smorgan: | I'll do a roundup and send them off RSN |
16:44 | ardissone: | no emails for those people |
16:44 | ardissone: | k |
16:45 | ardissone: | anything else on 2.0.7? |
16:46 | ardissone: | on 2.0.8, we're basically just waiting on b1 and me to have time |
16:46 | ardissone: | steven's new jep is out, which was the thing we were waiting on outside of Camino |
16:47 | ardissone: | there are some patches for Camino and Gecko that both need to land, but we're basically set now |
16:48 | ardissone: | anything esle on 2.0.8? |
16:48 | ardissone: | on 2.1 |
16:49 | ardissone: | for b1, we have a couple of pseudo-blockers waiting on reviews/in-flight: the rest of the chrome reg stuff/ad-blocking overrides, and autocomplete hover |
16:49 | ardissone: | and the blocker is Gecko strings |
16:49 | ardissone: | which i've started, but I've been swamped between RL and comodo :P |
16:50 | ardissone: | hope to get a little time again this weekend |
16:51 | ardissone: | post-b1, we'll have a few other things to try and wrap up (e.g., pinch) |
16:52 | ardissone: | but i think we can likely make the schedule Stuart promised in the blog post :) |
16:53 | ardissone: | and, one day, we hope pink will be able to attack his sr queue and make sure there's nothing that's been overlooked accidentally :) |
16:53 | pinkerton: | sorry |
16:53 | ardissone: | 's ok; hyatt's been very helpful keeping us moving ;) |
16:54 | smorgan: | He's a sport |
16:55 | ardissone: | anything else today? |
16:56 | smorgan: | Nothing from me |
16:56 | ardissone: | pinkerton: good to see you again :) |
16:57 | pinkerton: | :) |
16:57 | pinkerton: | next week i'll be in london, so you won't see me |
16:57 | ardissone: | nothing like a visit from the fearless leader :) |
16:57 | ardissone: | k |
16:57 | ardissone: | have a good time, then, and safe travels |
16:58 | ardissone: | ok, then; everyone please have a good week, and work on 2.1/b1 bugs/reviews :) |