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Latest revision as of 20:48, 16 June 2009
[11:55am] You were promoted to operator by chanserv. [11:55am] cl|zzz was promoted to operator by you. [11:55am] You changed the topic to "http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-06-10:Agenda". [11:59am] peeja joined the chat room. [11:59am] peeja was promoted to operator by you. [11:59am] kreeger joined the chat room. [11:59am] kreeger was promoted to operator by you. [12:03pm] smorgan joined the chat room. [12:03pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by you. [12:05pm] ardissone: ok, i think this is probably it for today [12:05pm] ardissone: dan's been in and out, so keep your ears on for him to reappear in #camino [12:06pm] ardissone: everyone please open http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2009-06-10:Agenda in your 2.0b3 or newer [12:07pm] ardissone: sorry, was fighting the end of the peanut butter [12:08pm] ardissone: big news is of course 2.0b3 was released a week ago tomorrow [12:08pm] cl|zzz: heh [12:08pm] cl|zzz is now known as cl. [12:09pm] ardissone: breakpad's pseudo-topcrash report shows us the crashes [12:09pm] ardissone: top crash is objc_msgSend, which started getting broken up very late last night [12:09pm] ardissone: so we'll have more useful split-up signatures going forward [12:10pm] ardissone: right now it consists of this unknown crash [12:10pm] ardissone: the Flash fullscreen+Exposé [12:10pm] ardissone: and a 1password crashg [12:11pm] ardissone: 1p released an update yesterday that disables themselves for all Camino 2-anything builds [12:11pm] ardissone: so that should help that [12:11pm] ardissone: hopefully not too many users will hack the plist to allow 1p to crash them again [12:11pm] ardissone: [12:12pm] smorgan: I'm not sure how they autoupdate, if at all, so I don't know what the saturation of the new version will be [12:12pm] ardissone: I think they at least have notifications, but I'm not sure [12:13pm] ardissone: We have a dozen different Flash Player stacks, plus the CF*-Flash-on-thread-20 crashes [12:13pm] ardissone: which makes Flash in aggregate #2 [12:14pm] ardissone: #3 is something in Gecko, I think [12:14pm] peeja left the chat room. (Quit: peeja) [12:14pm] ardissone: last before a big dropoff is Bug 496582 [12:15pm] ardissone: caused by Gecko making bad assumptions about how OS methods they swizzle really behave [12:15pm] ardissone: there's a patch, so hopefully by b4 it will be gone [12:15pm] peeja joined the chat room. [12:16pm] ardissone: we had ~165 crashes in the last almost-week [12:16pm] peeja was promoted to operator by you. [12:16pm] ardissone: which is about 4x what we were seeing from PPC-only talkback [12:16pm] ardissone: which seems about right [12:17pm] ardissone: anyone have anyghting else on b3? [12:19pm] smorgan: is guessing not [12:20pm] ardissone: ok [12:20pm] ardissone: yay [12:20pm] ardissone: 1.6.7 [12:20pm] ardissone: the main thing to report here, besides 1.6.8 replacing it next week [12:21pm] ardissone: is that last week's spike in # of crashes went down [12:21pm] smorgan: internets: 1, networking regression: 0 [12:21pm] ardissone: back to about normal [12:21pm] ardissone: yup [12:22pm] ardissone: the other 1.6.x news [12:22pm] ardissone: looks likely that we will be adding zh-Hant in 1.6.8 [12:22pm] ardissone: last in Camino 0.8.x [12:23pm] ardissone: er, zh-Hans [12:23pm] ardissone: [12:23pm] ardissone: the translator seems really excited about making Camino in SimpChinese [12:24pm] ardissone: dan hasn't popped back in yet [12:25pm] ardissone: he's been working on autocompleting from bookmarks over the last week [12:25pm] ardissone: i believe [12:25pm] ardissone: it sounds like he and jeff are at least playing tag about the website [12:25pm] ardissone: so hopefully that'll be up soon [12:26pm] smorgan was promoted to operator by chanserv. [12:26pm] ardissone: and when I get some time, I'll get a blog post up on cbo [12:26pm] ardissone: rememeber we're going to discuss the proposal next week, so be sure to read it before then: http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Summer_of_Code_2009 [12:27pm] ardissone: On to other 2.0 stuff [12:27pm] ardissone: resolution on the Breakpad/Sparkle incompatible with GPL bit seems to be moving forward [12:28pm] smorgan: Before we get into 2.0 details, I have a proposal [12:28pm] ardissone: k [12:28pm] smorgan: It's not well-thought-out, but I want to suggest it so you can tell me why it's stupid [12:29pm] smorgan: Call 2.0b3 the l10n freeze, and ship 2.0 once the localizations are ready [12:29pm] smorgan: Push safe browsing to a rapid 2.1 [12:29pm] smorgan: (I know we always say rapid and then don't do it, but we really could if we tried) [12:29pm] ardissone: make it more like 2.0.1? [12:30pm] smorgan: I feel like Gecko has finally stabilized for us enough that there's no reason someone who could run 2.0b3 should be using 1.6.7 instead of it [12:30pm] smorgan: So that feels like we should ship, rather that delay an unknown amount of time for the safe-browsing UI [12:30pm] smorgan: If it gets done on the new trunk in parallel, the 2.1 can be really, really fast, but if not we don't keep spinning [12:31pm] smorgan: Yes there are a couple of minor regressions, but not many, and I can't think of any that are as important as all the things that work better [12:32pm] ardissone: the other option is to declare 2.0b3 a "stable build" like we did before [12:32pm] ardissone: for 1.0b2 or whatever [12:33pm] smorgan: We wouldn't autoupdate people to it though, I assume [12:33pm] ardissone: of the other 2.0 stuff, do we fix zoom and utf-8? [12:33pm] ardissone: i suppose not [12:33pm] smorgan: What does "fixing" zoom mean? [12:34pm] smorgan: It's no worse than it was [12:34pm] ardissone: though I hadn't given it much thought [12:34pm] ardissone: the increment that everyone's complaining about [12:34pm] smorgan: I forget if we have UTF-8 regressions [12:34pm] smorgan: The increment can be fixed while we wait for l10n [12:34pm] ardissone: yeah, we break some drags or copy/paste [12:35pm] ardissone: what about the nasty CJK pref pane? [12:35pm] ardissone: that's a regression from 1.6, and needs l10n [12:36pm] smorgan: ardissone: I can never keep track of that bug What's the regression from 1.6? [12:36pm] ardissone: you can't select CJK fonts, because the Gecko API changed [12:36pm] ardissone: we fixed the Advanced sheet in 1.5 for the old Carbon font code [12:37pm] smorgan: Okay, then maybe we fix that and bless a random later build for l10n [12:37pm] ardissone: but we have new font code that doesn't work with plain Cocoa (the main widnwo) nor with our Carbon work-arind [12:38pm] smorgan: I just feel like our rapid 2.0 progress has ground to a crawl, and we should be getting all the improvements out sooner rather than waiting for everything to be in [12:39pm] smorgan: And most of what's left we can just cut off right now with no ill effects [12:39pm] ardissone: i don't disagree with that [12:39pm] ardissone: i don't know how fast l10n can be ready [12:39pm] smorgan: Can they do everything but the appearance pane now? [12:39pm] ardissone: i know a couple of people have started [12:40pm] ardissone: but the Gecko strings add a lot [12:40pm] ardissone: and it is holidays season [12:40pm] ardissone: so we might be looking at a month or we might be looking at 2 months [12:40pm] smorgan: Ouch [12:41pm] smorgan: Maybe we should consider not simul-shipping 2.0 l10n? [12:41pm] ardissone: we can try to survey them and see where they are for next week [12:41pm] ardissone: l10n will really hate us if we do that [12:43pm] smorgan: (to be clear, I'm suggesting English followed later by a big l10n package, not trickling out languages) [12:43pm] ardissone: i think that's worse than shopping who's done [12:44pm] ardissone: assuming we have Spanish, French, and German ready at release [12:44pm] ardissone: Anyway, I think we need to investigate and come back next week [12:45pm] jeff joined the chat room. [12:45pm] jeff was promoted to operator by chanserv. [12:45pm] smorgan: okay. Now back to your regularly scheduled meeting [12:45pm] ardissone: jeff: how's Tabsposé? [12:46pm] ardissone: we're shipping next week, so it needs to be done yesterday [12:46pm] jeff: okay, trying to finish up a patch while at wwdc [12:46pm] jeff: haha [12:46pm] jeff: gets in time machine [12:46pm] ardissone: "cannot restore last known jeff" [12:47pm] ardissone: ok [12:47pm] ardissone: that's good [12:47pm] ardissone: because we may in fact be shipping sooner than later [12:48pm] ardissone: smorgan: any updates on Esc, or just on pinch? [12:48pm] smorgan: Just pinch, no esc yet [12:49pm] ardissone: i poked that 10.4 dragging bug last night (for the second time); if we don't hear soon, we should assume we've fixed it [12:50pm] ardissone: hendy said he was working on the zoom menu stuff; last real detalied info I knew there were issues with alternates if you changed the shortcut in sysprefs, which I don' think is a showstopper [12:50pm] ardissone: (just set the alternates in sysprefs, too) [12:51pm] ardissone: after that, he was going to work on the zoom increment [12:51pm] ardissone: and he has a new patch on the utf-8 bug blocking the rest of the work [12:51pm] ardissone: awaiting smorgan, i think [12:51pm] smorgan: It's on my radar [12:51pm] ardissone: !clone smorgan [12:52pm] ardissone: cl: any updates from you? [12:54pm] ardissone: anyone else have anything on the 2.0? [12:55pm] ardissone: ok [12:56pm] ardissone: branching info is at http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Development:Planning:Branching_for_Camino_2.0 [12:56pm] ardissone: anyone have anything else about anything else? [12:58pm] ardissone: ok then [12:58pm] ardissone: remember to read dan's proposal and work on those 2.0 bugs and reviews [12:58pm] ardissone: and have a good week