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Wed 20 Aug 9am PDT (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg
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==General Plans==
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* Camino 1.6.3
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** Released two weeks ago Thursday; nothing bad so far
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** Website held up pretty well (used static feed files again), though ss had to do some finagling
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** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM163/index.html Talkback] ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008080311&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=2000 all 1.6.3 crashes] — 797 so far)
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*** #1/3 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=libSystem.B.dylib&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008080311&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid libSystem.B.dylib] - presumably a large degree are 1passwd in addition to plug-ins
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*** #2 is Flash
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*** #4 is Cocoa - more random bits of Camino code + old 1passwd signature
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*** #5 is Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})
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*** No topcrash reports yet, but aside from the usual suspects, lots of reports of crashing on startup (1passwd, initMozillaPrefs, refreshStyleSheet, -[MainController checkForProblemAddOns]() ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=48463338 TB48463338x]/[http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=48528066 TB48528066x]), -[SiteIconCache readCacheFile]() {{bug|448554}})
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<!--**** RealPlayer - {{bug|441736}} (bug also some Flash and Silverlight)
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**** random bits of Camino code: 47958724 initMozillaPrefs, 48061310 refreshStyleSheet, 47710819
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**** A number of reports mention installing or upgrading 1passwd
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**** Some reports mention startup (initMozillaPrefs, refreshStyleSheet among others)-->
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<!--*** #4 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid libobjc]-->
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<!--**** 46765023 -[KeychainService init]() on startup, 46195237; are these just corrupt keychains?  But see also 46195236 (CoreFoundation+1passwd from same user)
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**** 46228188 should-have-been-fixed Privacy crash on 10.3.9 (one only)-->
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<!--*** #5 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=Camino&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid  Camino]
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**** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=48319457 TB48319457x] +[NSWorkspace(CaminoDefaultBrowserAdditions) osVersionString]() - handful of these
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--><!--*** #5 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=CoreFoundation&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid  CoreFoundation]
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**** 48001978 -[SiteIconCache readCacheFile]() at startup; this is fairly common
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**** Lots of crashes that contain the old tell-tale 1passwd signature
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**** Dozen or so CamiTools -->
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** Cleaning up stuff from the website; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything.
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** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
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** Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
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* [[Releases:1.6.4:Links|Camino 1.6.4]]
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** We've collected a half-dozen or so fixes, of which smorgan has landed a few
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** 1.8.1.17 set to release Sept 3
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** Will be updating the F4M and Flash known issues (point to fixed beta/RC versions) and adding a new issue about 1passwd (among other things, it seems [http://support.agilewebsolutions.com/showthread.php?t=10174 persistently incompatible on PPC])
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* Camino 2.0
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** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
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** Stuart's started triaging the 2.0 list (3 criteria: regressions, make life better now, someone working on it)
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** Target date for Camino 2.0a1 is end of this month
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** Security exceptions: some UI changes involved
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** Anti-phishing: Core patch landed; initial r+ with comments. Many follow-up bugs on file, including {{bug|441733}} - Display a warning bar while browsing an unsafe site after dismissing the "site blocked" page (UNCO)
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** Keyboard loop - Håkan can't review the big patch, perhaps can do the smaller one
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** Tabsposé update
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** Tab dragging?
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** Full content zoom - Need a final patch with a few tweaks and a 10.4/IB2.5.4 nib; this should make a1
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* Tinderboxen
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** cb-x1 back to life (but reporting with .local hostname); resurrection also fixed the Ts anomaly
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** cb-minimaya and cb-minibinus have both gone missing yet again
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<!--** cb-minimaya producing "1.6-M1.8" builds (4 hr clobber, 65 min dep)
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** cb-minibinus producing "2.0-M1.9" builds (4 hr clobber, 45 min dep)-->
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** boxset stopped reporting to tinderbox almost 4 months ago; Sam working on new mail server - {{bug|425138}}
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** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
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* Dev docs
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** cl rev'ed CBSamplePane; can't build branch-compatible pane using trunk files, other prefs window bugs
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<!--** Can we get a quick list of some examples in our code (mxr links) of various ways of
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*** Calling private APIs
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*** Writing safe code for latest-OS-only features
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**: Add [[Development:Reviewing#Coding_for_latest-OS-version_features_or_using_private_APIs|here]]; we're getting more patches wanting to do these things, so even if "the" solution cannot be prescribed, examples of various situations and techniques will help-->
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* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
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** smorgan and pink are keeping the sr queue pretty empty, but the r queue remains pretty full (still grew week-over-week despite a half-dozen reviews in the course of the week).
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==Specific bugs that need action==
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=== 2.0a1pre ===
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* See 2.0a1? list
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* Cocoa widgets still pretty scary; there are a number of regressions we'll be stuck with
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* Security UI cleanup
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=== 1.6.4 ===
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* More toolbar icons coming?
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===Other (if there's time)===
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* 10.5 Visual UX
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** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
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** Tab bar
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** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
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*** We have a designer working on polishing
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** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
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** Folders (UNCO) - {{bug|436012}}
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* cl's buglist
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**{{bug|175748}} - Need mechanism for creating new blank bookmarks
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**{{bug|313079}} - Control characters in bookmark titles cause strange visual effects
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**{{bug|318931}} - History/Bookmarks title changes but URL doesn't (maybe fixed by patch on {{bug|438256}}?)
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**{{bug|363664}} - When right clicking on folder "Bookmark Info" should read "Folder Info"
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* xpfe cleanup
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<!--*** see older Agendas if you're interested -->
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** {{bug|389140}} gets us using the right theme files; needs r=mento
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** {{bug|428333}} license.html; needs r=mento
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** stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP [http://hem.fyristorg.com/s_her/camino/camino-test.diff patch]<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"<br>[4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code  :P
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==Queries==
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===Camino 2.0a1===
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0a1%3F  Blocking ?]  (4) {{greyText|[-1 since last week<!--unchanged-->]}} <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0a1%2B  Blocking +]  (2) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} <!--  subtract FIXED here-->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0a1- Blocking -]  (1) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}}  <!--  -->
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===Camino 2.0===
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0]  (49) {{greyText|[+3 since last week]}} <!-- -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F  Blocking ?]  (2) {{greyText|[-1 since last week]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B  Blocking +]  (1) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} <!-- (but [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&priority=P1&chfieldto=Now P1 bugs]—currently just tab dragging—are blocking) subtract FIXED here-->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!--  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target]  (617) {{greyText|['''-9''' since last week]}} <!-- '''first “CLOSEME” cleanup in a month''  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2008-08-13&chfieldto=2008-08-20&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting]  ('''4''') {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} ('''3''' were 2.0-targeted<!--; 2 were ad-blocking, 1 was code comment-->)
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==Queues==
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review]  (20) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} '''3 untargeted''' <!--  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview]  (1) {{greyText|[+1 since last week]}} <!-- (oldest now waiting for two weeks) (only 7 are 1.5 bugs) -->

Latest revision as of 00:06, 20 August 2008

Wed 20 Aug 9am PDT (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

General Plans

  • Camino 1.6.3
    • Released two weeks ago Thursday; nothing bad so far
    • Website held up pretty well (used static feed files again), though ss had to do some finagling
    • Talkback (all 1.6.3 crashes — 797 so far)
      • #1/3 is libSystem.B.dylib - presumably a large degree are 1passwd in addition to plug-ins
      • #2 is Flash
      • #4 is Cocoa - more random bits of Camino code + old 1passwd signature
      • #5 is Core crash-on-quit (Bug 349463)
    • Cleaning up stuff from the website; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything.
    • Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
    • Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
  • Camino 1.6.4
    • We've collected a half-dozen or so fixes, of which smorgan has landed a few
    • 1.8.1.17 set to release Sept 3
    • Will be updating the F4M and Flash known issues (point to fixed beta/RC versions) and adding a new issue about 1passwd (among other things, it seems persistently incompatible on PPC)
  • Camino 2.0
    • Rough scoping doc at Development:Planning:Camino 2.0
    • Stuart's started triaging the 2.0 list (3 criteria: regressions, make life better now, someone working on it)
    • Target date for Camino 2.0a1 is end of this month
    • Security exceptions: some UI changes involved
    • Anti-phishing: Core patch landed; initial r+ with comments. Many follow-up bugs on file, including Bug 441733 - Display a warning bar while browsing an unsafe site after dismissing the "site blocked" page (UNCO)
    • Keyboard loop - Håkan can't review the big patch, perhaps can do the smaller one
    • Tabsposé update
    • Tab dragging?
    • Full content zoom - Need a final patch with a few tweaks and a 10.4/IB2.5.4 nib; this should make a1
  • Tinderboxen
    • cb-x1 back to life (but reporting with .local hostname); resurrection also fixed the Ts anomaly
    • cb-minimaya and cb-minibinus have both gone missing yet again
    • boxset stopped reporting to tinderbox almost 4 months ago; Sam working on new mail server - Bug 425138
    • cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
  • Dev docs
    • cl rev'ed CBSamplePane; can't build branch-compatible pane using trunk files, other prefs window bugs
  • Weekly Bugs and Queues update
    • smorgan and pink are keeping the sr queue pretty empty, but the r queue remains pretty full (still grew week-over-week despite a half-dozen reviews in the course of the week).

Specific bugs that need action

2.0a1pre

  • See 2.0a1? list
  • Cocoa widgets still pretty scary; there are a number of regressions we'll be stuck with
  • Security UI cleanup

1.6.4

  • More toolbar icons coming?

Other (if there's time)

  • cl's buglist
    • Bug 175748 - Need mechanism for creating new blank bookmarks
    • Bug 313079 - Control characters in bookmark titles cause strange visual effects
    • Bug 318931 - History/Bookmarks title changes but URL doesn't (maybe fixed by patch on Bug 438256?)
    • Bug 363664 - When right clicking on folder "Bookmark Info" should read "Folder Info"
  • xpfe cleanup
    • Bug 389140 gets us using the right theme files; needs r=mento
    • Bug 428333 license.html; needs r=mento
    • stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP patch
      [4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"
      [4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts
      [4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"
      [4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code :P

Queries

Camino 2.0a1

Camino 2.0

Queues

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