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Wed 29 Oct 9am PDT (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg <!--time change next week -->
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==General Plans==
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* Camino 2.0a1
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** Released a week ago
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** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM20a1/index.html Talkback] broken here, too ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=CaminoTrunk&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008101818&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 2.0a1 crashes] — 2 so far)
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* Camino 1.6.4
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** Released four weeks ago
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** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/camino/CM164/index.html Talkback] is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008091513&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=stack&rlimit=0 all 1.6.4 crashes] — 1383; increasing ~300/wk)
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*** Hard to tell much without topcrashers, but Flash looks like #1, libSystem.B seems to had a big uptick over the last week (RealPlayer, {{bug|448554}}, [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448554#c1 bug 448554 comment 1]), usual suspects + Core xmlhttpreq also up there
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<!--*** #1 is Flash
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*** #2/5 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=libSystem.B.dylib&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008080311&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid libSystem.B.dylib] - presumably a large degree are 1passwd in addition to plug-ins, although details remain illusive; bit of a spike this week
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*** #3 is Core crash-on-quit ({{bug|349463}})
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*** #4 is Cocoa - more random bits of Camino and Gecko code; Address Book, plug-ins
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*** #6 is libObjC.A.dylib - four 1passwd crashes and mostly useless stacks elsewhere
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*** No topcrash reports yet, but aside from the usual suspects, lots of reports of crashing on startup (1passwd, initMozillaPrefs, refreshStyleSheet, -[MainController checkForProblemAddOns]() ([http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=48463338 TB48463338x]/[http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=48528066 TB48528066x]), -[SiteIconCache readCacheFile]() {{bug|448554}})
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<!--**** RealPlayer - {{bug|441736}} (bug also some Flash and Silverlight)
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**** random bits of Camino code: 47958724 initMozillaPrefs, 48061310 refreshStyleSheet, 47710819
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**** A number of reports mention installing or upgrading 1passwd
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**** Some reports mention startup (initMozillaPrefs, refreshStyleSheet among others)-->
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<!--*** #4 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=libobjc.A.dylib.227.0.0&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid libobjc]-->
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<!--**** 46765023 -[KeychainService init]() on startup, 46195237; are these just corrupt keychains?  But see also 46195236 (CoreFoundation+1passwd from same user)
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**** 46228188 should-have-been-fixed Privacy crash on 10.3.9 (one only)-->
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<!--*** #5 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=Camino&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid  Camino]
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**** [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp?search=2&type=iid&id=48319457 TB48319457x] +[NSWorkspace(CaminoDefaultBrowserAdditions) osVersionString]() - handful of these
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--><!--*** #5 is [http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp?search=1&searchby=stacksig&match=contains&searchfor=CoreFoundation&vendor=MozillaOrg&product=Camino16&platform=MacOSX&buildid=2008051211&sdate=&stime=&edate=&etime=&sortby=bbid  CoreFoundation]
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**** 48001978 -[SiteIconCache readCacheFile]() at startup; this is fairly common
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**** Lots of crashes that contain the old tell-tale 1passwd signature
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**** Dozen or so CamiTools -->
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** Cleaning up stuff from the website; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything.
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** Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
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** Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
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* [[Releases:1.6.5:Links|Camino 1.6.5]]
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** Gecko release set for 12 Nov, code freeze Fri (24 Oct)
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** NSSpellchecker exceptions landed
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** We have a few nominations we should land/consider
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* Camino 2.0
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** Rough scoping doc at [[Development:Planning:Camino 2.0]]
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*** Need to retriage 2.0 list now; smorgan's done some
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*** Anything with l10n impact should be nominated for b1 and add '''''l10n''''' to the whiteboard
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*** Still a number of serious bugs in Widget:Cocoa needing Core investigation
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** Anti-phishing - can't get permission :(
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** Keyboard loop - Fixed a dozen old bugs, spawned about half-dozen new ones
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** Tabsposé update - needs more QA; collecting bugs we should fix
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** Tab dragging - r- on first patch
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** Fullscreen - hendy looking at other bugs
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** Icon work for 2.0 - need to coordinate through Sam; updates promised for this week
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** breakpad -
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** Gecko strings l10n -
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* Tinderboxen
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** boxset had a 2+% Ts regression while it was down
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** cb-x1 still reporting with truncated hostname; also, starting to die again {{bug|458217}}
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** cb-minimaya running "1.6-M1.8" Ts (<!--4 hr clobber, -->65 min dep)
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** cb-minibinus running "2.0-M1.9" Ts (<!--4 hr clobber, -->45 min dep)
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** cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
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* Dev docs
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** CBSamplePane: can now build branch-compatible pane using trunk files; cl needs to address review comments
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<!--** Can we get a quick list of some examples in our code (mxr links) of various ways of
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*** Calling private APIs
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*** Writing safe code for latest-OS-only features
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**: Add [[Development:Reviewing#Coding_for_latest-OS-version_features_or_using_private_APIs|here]]; we're getting more patches wanting to do these things, so even if "the" solution cannot be prescribed, examples of various situations and techniques will help-->
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* Weekly Bugs and Queues update
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** Some bug movement again this week; r queues still fairly full.
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==Specific bugs that need action==
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=== 2.0b1pre ===
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* See 2.0b1? list
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* Cocoa widgets still pretty scary; there are a number of regressions we'll be stuck with
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=== 1.6.5 ===
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===Other (if there's time)===
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* {{bug|409679}} - Option-return in location bar doesn't work without scheme://
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* 10.5 Visual UX
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** Bookmark bar - {{bug|401340}}
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** Tab bar
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** Toolbar icons - {{bug|384725}}
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*** We have a designer working on polishing; need updates from Sam
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** App icon lines - {{bug|402967}}
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** Folders (UNCO) - {{bug|436012}}
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* cl's buglist
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**{{bug|175748}} - Need mechanism for creating new blank bookmarks
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**{{bug|318931}} - History/Bookmarks title changes but URL doesn't (maybe fixed by patch on {{bug|438256}}?)
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**{{bug|363664}} - When right clicking on folder "Bookmark Info" should read "Folder Info"
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* xpfe cleanup
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<!--*** see older Agendas if you're interested -->
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** {{bug|389140}} gets us using the right theme files; needs r=mento
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** {{bug|428333}} license.html; needs r=mento
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** stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP [http://hem.fyristorg.com/s_her/camino/camino-test.diff patch]<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts<br>[4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"<br>[4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code  :P
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==Queries==
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===Camino 2.0b1===
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b1%3F  Blocking ?]  (8) {{greyText|[<!--+3 since last week-->unchanged]}} <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b1%2B  Blocking +]  (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- --> <!--  subtract FIXED here-->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0b1- Blocking -]  (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}}  <!--  -->
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===Camino 2.0===
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs targeted at 2.0]  (35) {{greyText|[-5 since last week]}} <!-- -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%3F  Blocking ?]  (9) {{greyText|[+2 since last week]}} (bugs not on the 2.0 list that need evaluation) <!--  (subtract FIXED here, except when only FIXED on trunk -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0%2B  Blocking +]  (1) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- (but [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=Camino2.0&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&priority=P1&chfieldto=Now P1 bugs]—currently just tab dragging—are blocking) subtract FIXED here-->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&cmdtype=doit&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=camino2.0- Blocking -]  (0) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!--  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&target_milestone=---&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Bugs without target]  (647) {{greyText|['''+9''' since last week]}} <!-- '''first “CLOSEME” cleanup in a month''  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Camino&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&chfieldfrom=2008-10-22&chfieldto=2008-10-29&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED Bugs fixed since last meeting]  ('''9''') {{greyText|[+2 since last week]}} ('''3''' were 2.0-targeted; 1 was ad-blocking; 1 was website)
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==Queues==
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=review&group=type Review]  (12) {{greyText|[-5 since last week]}} <!--'''2 untargeted'''  -->
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* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/request.cgi?action=queue&requester=&product=Camino&type=superreview&group=type Superreview]  (2) {{greyText|[unchanged]}} <!-- (oldest now waiting for two weeks) (only 7 are 1.5 bugs) -->

Revision as of 20:58, 28 October 2008

Wed 29 Oct 9am PDT (17:00 GMT/UTC) in #camino-mtg

General Plans

  • Camino 2.0a1
  • Camino 1.6.4
    • Released four weeks ago
    • Talkback is broken; waiting on MoCo, w/no ETA (all 1.6.4 crashes — 1383; increasing ~300/wk)
      • Hard to tell much without topcrashers, but Flash looks like #1, libSystem.B seems to had a big uptick over the last week (RealPlayer, Bug 448554, bug 448554 comment 1), usual suspects + Core xmlhttpreq also up there
    • Cleaning up stuff from the website; file bugs against Product Site if you see anything.
    • Need to be more diligent about asking about IMs up-front: "I have problem x" "Do you have any input managers installed (e.g., 1Password)?" (We'll have to specifically mention 1Password, since people mostly don't know how it's implemented)
    • Be very careful asking people to test trunk nightlies, since they do irreversible profile damage.
  • Camino 1.6.5
    • Gecko release set for 12 Nov, code freeze Fri (24 Oct)
    • NSSpellchecker exceptions landed
    • We have a few nominations we should land/consider
  • Camino 2.0
    • Rough scoping doc at Development:Planning:Camino 2.0
      • Need to retriage 2.0 list now; smorgan's done some
      • Anything with l10n impact should be nominated for b1 and add l10n to the whiteboard
      • Still a number of serious bugs in Widget:Cocoa needing Core investigation
    • Anti-phishing - can't get permission :(
    • Keyboard loop - Fixed a dozen old bugs, spawned about half-dozen new ones
    • Tabsposé update - needs more QA; collecting bugs we should fix
    • Tab dragging - r- on first patch
    • Fullscreen - hendy looking at other bugs
    • Icon work for 2.0 - need to coordinate through Sam; updates promised for this week
    • breakpad -
    • Gecko strings l10n -
  • Tinderboxen
    • boxset had a 2+% Ts regression while it was down
    • cb-x1 still reporting with truncated hostname; also, starting to die again Bug 458217
    • cb-minimaya running "1.6-M1.8" Ts (65 min dep)
    • cb-minibinus running "2.0-M1.9" Ts (45 min dep)
    • cb-miniosx01 has Ts disabled due to paging/low installed RAM
  • Dev docs
    • CBSamplePane: can now build branch-compatible pane using trunk files; cl needs to address review comments
  • Weekly Bugs and Queues update
    • Some bug movement again this week; r queues still fairly full.

Specific bugs that need action

2.0b1pre

  • See 2.0b1? list
  • Cocoa widgets still pretty scary; there are a number of regressions we'll be stuck with

1.6.5

Other (if there's time)

  • Bug 409679 - Option-return in location bar doesn't work without scheme://
  • cl's buglist
    • Bug 175748 - Need mechanism for creating new blank bookmarks
    • Bug 318931 - History/Bookmarks title changes but URL doesn't (maybe fixed by patch on Bug 438256?)
    • Bug 363664 - When right clicking on folder "Bookmark Info" should read "Folder Info"
  • xpfe cleanup
    • Bug 389140 gets us using the right theme files; needs r=mento
    • Bug 428333 license.html; needs r=mento
    • stefanh has a "build finishes, crashes on startup" MOZ_XUL_APP patch
      [4:16pm] stefanh: "<Standard8>stefanh, so, my guess is you need to implement something like http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/app/ (nsSuiteApp.cpp, application.ini, Makefile.in) somewhere in camino"
      [4:16pm] stefanh: "stefanh, when you flip the flags, the main things that'll affect you immediately are the startup code, command line handlers and possibly alerts
      [4:16pm] stefanh: stefanh, so xpfe/components/startup/ -> toolkit/components/commandlines toolkit/components/startup etc"
      [4:17pm] stefanh: ardissone|ish: feel free to play with the code :P

Queries

Camino 2.0b1

Camino 2.0

Queues

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