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12:02 <@froodian> k, I guess pink will join to lurk when he gets the chance 12:02 <@froodian> shall we begin? 12:03 <@murph> yea, sounds good 12:03 <@froodian> everybody browse to http://wiki.caminobrowser.org/Status_Meetings:2007-02-07:Agenda 12:04 <@froodian> a2 continues to have a low crash rate, which is good. 12:05 <@froodian> it's mostly those two bugs (flash and downloadin) 12:05 <@froodian> smorgan has done some digging into our annoying bugs 12:05 <@froodian> anything other than what's in the bug on that front? 12:06 <@froodian> s/bug/bugs 12:06 -!- pnhChris has joined #camino-mtg 12:07 <@smorgan> nope, not yet 12:07 <@smorgan> I haven't had much time still 12:07 <@froodian> k. still, it's nice to see any movement on those 12:07 <@froodian> 1.1b1 12:08 <@froodian> /nick pinkerton "ship it" /nick froodian 12:08 <@froodian> :p 12:08 <@froodian> there are bugs. they must be fixed. 12:09 <@froodian> ardissone|pre-zZz went through and tagged all the l10n related bugs with l10n 12:09 <@froodian> and that query is on the agenda page 12:10 * smorgan votes we punt 303085 12:10 <@froodian> well, since wevah seems MIA 12:10 <@froodian> I concur 12:10 <@froodian> :( 12:10 <@smorgan> And since the lock is worthless anyway :P 12:11 <@froodian> why is the lock worthless anyway? 12:11 <@smorgan> Because almost nobody understands it 12:11 <@smorgan> There have been studies 12:11 <@froodian> that's a sad state for internet security 12:12 <@smorgan> Yup 12:12 <@smorgan> So mostly that list is blocked on me, I guess 12:12 <@murph> the 2nd half of my spelling UI bugs, providing a way to switch languages, is almost ready... 12:12 <@froodian> :) 12:13 <@ardissone|pre-zZz> !clone smorgan 12:13 <@froodian> the agenda asks "how many days of work/reviews yet" 12:13 <@smorgan> That's implementing the panel? 12:13 <@froodian> I'm not sure what that means... 12:13 <@froodian> ardissone|pre-zZz? 12:13 <@murph> smorgan: yeah, do you think that's the best approach? 12:13 <@smorgan> It means I mean to get my butt in gear, probably 12:13 <@smorgan> murph: sounds good 12:13 <@ardissone|pre-zZz> how many days of work/reviewing does everyone think their b1 bugs will take? 12:14 -!- ardissone|pre-zZz is now known as ardissone 12:14 * froodian can review the one hanging on him today 12:14 <@murph> cool. if the inline/editor spell checker had a way to retrieve the next misspelled word, I'd be done by now... 12:15 <@smorgan> Realistically I'm the long pole here, and I can't give a good estimate right now 12:15 <@smorgan> I'll try to make more time in the next week 12:15 <@froodian> Oh, I also have my regression(s?) 12:15 <@froodian> but have to more 12:15 <@froodian> :( 12:15 <@ardissone> mhm :p 12:16 <@ardissone> we need a little bit from mento on flashblock build stuff 12:16 <@ardissone> it's not all smorgan :) 12:16 <@murph> I will do everything I can to have the spelling panel integration available for review in the next two days, I really want it to make b1 12:17 <@froodian> ok. 1.0.4 will be released shortly after 1.1b1 12:17 <@froodian> and password stealing will be in 1.0.5 instead 12:17 <@froodian> (as stands the current plan) 12:17 <@froodian> the next one is pawn, so mento 12:18 <@ardissone> we've updated ludo and l10n about the state of our plans 12:19 <@froodian> ok, anything else before we move to bugs? 12:20 -!- thebot has joined #camino-mtg 12:20 <@froodian> Bug 295755 has an issue 12:20 < thebot> froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295755 nor, --, Camino1.1, email@example.com, NEW, Implement Flashblock as a default Camino preference 12:20 <@froodian> which is dealing with chrome.rdf cruft from CamiTools 12:20 <@smorgan> Why do we care? 12:21 <@froodian> because it won't work 12:21 <@ardissone> because flashblock won't work 12:21 <@smorgan> I understand that 12:21 <@smorgan> But they went out of their way to install something. Why don't we just tell them to undo it? 12:21 <@froodian> because I'll have to answer "this checkbox doesn't work" email for all eternity 12:21 <@ardissone> ^^^ 12:21 <@ardissone> and bugs 12:22 <@froodian> i mean, it's clearly not the end of the world, if we don't 12:22 <@smorgan> CamiTools users already have stuff that doesn't work, right? 12:22 <@froodian> but man, if there's a solution, I'd like to take it 12:22 <@froodian> this is even if they've uninstalled it though 12:22 <@froodian> if they tested it once for one day 12:22 <@ardissone> mhm 12:24 <@ardissone> there's no way to just wack that file once, is there? 12:24 <@smorgan> I don't think we can consider blowing away the file 12:25 <@smorgan> I am not comfortable with the idea of destroying user data because we think it may be safe 12:25 <@ardissone> what other chrome packages will a user have installed? 12:25 <@smorgan> I have no idea 12:26 <@peeja> we could ask the user 12:26 <@ardissone> :P 12:26 <@smorgan> No 12:26 <@peeja> seriously, why not? 12:26 <@ardissone> they won't have a clue 12:26 <@smorgan> "Would you like to delete chrome.rdf? Yes No" 12:27 <@froodian> "Camino has detected what appears to be a former installation of Flashblock. Would you like to overwrite this with the built-in Flashblock Camino now provides?" 12:27 <@peeja> something like that 12:27 <@smorgan> How would we detect it? 12:27 <@ardissone> but that assumes only flashblcok 12:27 <@froodian> if there's a $PROFILE/chrome/chrome.rdf 12:27 <@ardissone> we'd have to parse chrome.rdf 12:27 <@froodian> mmm, yeah 12:28 <@froodian> :/ 12:28 <@froodian> :( 12:28 <@peeja> is that bad? 12:28 <@ardissone> that file exists all the time 12:28 <@smorgan> Yeah, I have that file 12:28 <@ardissone> we have no way of knowing if it's good or bad without looking 12:28 <@ardissone> at the contents 12:28 <@peeja> but how hard is it to look at the contents? 12:28 <@froodian> I'm thinking it's way more trouble than it's worth. Let's just post in the forum, close the bugs, and I'll make a snippet response 12:28 <@peeja> that's what rdf is for :) 12:29 * ardissone hands peeja the moz rdf apis 12:29 <@smorgan> peeja: You want us to slow down browser launch for all users for the forseeable future to fix a handful of users who used a third party utility? 12:29 * peeja cringes at the docs and backs away from the issue. 12:30 <@ardissone> "Do you have a convenient wrapper to the chrome rdf:datasource? You could remove 12:30 <@ardissone> the flashblock entries from chrome.rdf by simply unasserting them." 12:30 <@peeja> for the record, i just meant to check on enabling flashblock... 12:30 <@ardissone> that what philip chee said 12:31 <@ardissone> i'm guessing the answer is no 12:32 <@smorgan> There are a lot of ways CamiTools users can break themselves; we don't check for any of the others 12:32 <@froodian> (but those other ways all require CamiTools to still be insalled) 12:32 <@smorgan> I thought the nib-replacement stuff broke things forever 12:33 <@froodian> (for the record, I do think that around 50% of long-term Camino users tried CamiTools at some point) 12:33 <@froodian> forever until they upgrade Camino 12:33 <@smorgan> The broken cache prefs too 12:33 <@froodian> yeah 12:33 <@smorgan> Where is this 50% number coming from? 12:33 <@froodian> i made it up 12:33 <@ardissone> well, people broke cache manually, too 12:33 <@ardissone> because we told them how 12:34 <@ardissone> it's all over the internet 12:34 <@froodian> like porn! 12:34 <@ardissone> it was every blog/news article's "must have" for Camino 12:36 <@froodian> ok, here's the thing 12:36 <@froodian> we barely have enough time for getting b1 out on time as it is 12:36 <@froodian> we want that to include Flashblock 12:36 <@froodian> what if we release b1 without any check 12:36 <@froodian> and if it's a huge problem, we can fix it before 1.1 12:37 <@ardissone> that's ok with me 12:37 <@ardissone> sounds like it's ok with smorgan ;) 12:37 <@murph> that seems reasonable to me 12:38 <@smorgan> Anything else? 12:39 <@froodian> Bug 337261 needs mento, right? 12:39 < thebot> froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337261 nor, --, Camino2.0, firstname.lastname@example.org, NEW, Review dom_storage build changes on the Camino/1.8 branch 12:39 <@ardissone> yeah, more poking of him 12:39 <@froodian> I think Bug 361157 needs some pink input, but we can talk about it now if people want 12:39 < thebot> froodian: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361157 nor, --, ---, email@example.com, ASSI, Opening files should open them in a new window 12:40 <@froodian> I'm taking that as a "no" 12:41 <@smorgan> I really don't think we want a pref 12:41 <@smorgan> I think we should do it, or WF it 12:41 <@froodian> I really really really don't want new window opening on me 12:41 <@froodian> s/window/window 12:41 <@froodian> grr 12:41 <@froodian> w/window/windows date 12:43 <@froodian> ooh, that option sounds safe! 12:43 <@froodian> ;) 12:43 <@froodian> :) 12:43 <@froodian> ffffffff 12:44 <@ardissone> ok, it won't get copied into next week's agenda ;)\ 12:45 <@froodian> alright, if nobody has anything else...? 12:46 <@froodian> Good meeting everyone, work on b1 bugs 12:46 <@ardissone> let's work hard to make b1 date :) 12:46 <@murph> take care everyone 12:46 <@murph> ardissone: will do!