Status Meetings:2007-03-14:Log

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[11:55am] froodian: I'm not really here
[11:55am] murph was promoted to operator by froodian.
[11:56am] froodian: so somebody notme should chair/lead/whatever today
[11:58am] TheJosh joined the chat room.
[12:00pm] mento joined the chat room.
[12:00pm] mento was promoted to operator by chanserv.
[12:01pm] ardissone|away: mr burning red boxen himself 
[12:01pm] You are now known as ardissone|food.
[12:01pm] mento: i don't know what that's about
[12:01pm] TheJosh: hi everyone 
[12:01pm] mento: only affects trunk
[12:01pm] mento: unless someone fucked the tinder-config
[12:01pm] ardissone|food: no, 1.8 on the xserve is complaining about no compiler
[12:01pm] ardissone|food: er, no working compiler
[12:02pm] ardissone|food: which may be fscked tinder-config
[12:02pm] murph: hello TheJosh (and everyone else)
[12:02pm] mento: ardissone|food: 1.8 on the xserve is coop's deal
[12:03pm] mento: trying to build for x86 using 3.3
[12:03pm] mento: that's just not right
[12:03pm] ardissone|food: yeah
[12:03pm] mento: we'll move maya's builds onto that machine soon
[12:03pm] ardissone|food: that's what i thought that said
[12:03pm] smorgan_away joined the chat room.
[12:04pm] ardissone|food: do we think pink is coming to irc today?
[12:04pm] smorgan_away was promoted to operator by you.
[12:04pm] TheJosh was promoted to operator by you.
[12:04pm] mento: oh yeah, mofo fricking changed the config
[12:04pm] mento: ugh
[12:04pm] mento: does something
[12:04pm] smorgan_away: He's not
[12:04pm] smorgan_away is now known as smorgan.
[12:05pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:05pm] peeja joined the chat room.
[12:05pm] peeja was promoted to operator by you.
[12:07pm] ardissone|food: ok then
[12:07pm] ardissone|food: everyone open in your Camino
[12:08pm] ardissone|food: so
[12:08pm] ardissone|food: the big bad news of the week is l10n is having some serious issues with AppleGlot and 1.1b 
[12:09pm] ardissone|food: we're still trying to figure out what's going on and if it's isolated or affects everyone
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: if you're a nibtool guru, please have a look at that thread
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: otherwise, we'll muddle through
[12:10pm] smorgan: Foo~.nib is an automatic backup thing
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: yeah
[12:11pm] ardissone|food: and the ; thing is a bug in infoplist.strings in defualt plugin
[12:11pm] froodian left the chat room. (Quit: froodian)
[12:11pm] ardissone|food: (which i filed, and is now fixed on trunk)
[12:12pm] ardissone|food: go go smfr typos from 4 years ago 
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: beta talkback is still crashy (no surprise), so it's mostly useless at this point unless another bad stack appears, which doesn't seem to be happening
[12:14pm] ardissone|food: post-tracking rects fix talkback is looking pretty good
[12:14pm] ardissone|food: i posted and blogged trying to get people to move to friday's nightly so we can get more testing on the fix
[12:15pm] ardissone|food: there are some new crashes with those frame 0, but the stack as a whole is very different
[12:16pm] ardissone|food: none of us have seen it yet, so hopefully it is isolated
[12:16pm] ardissone|food: for those playing along at home
[12:16pm] ardissone|food: crash at startup
[12:17pm] ardissone|food: if you hear of anyone with that problem, point them to us
[12:17pm] smorgan: I skimmed patches from the regression range for anything that changed retain counts, but nothing jumped out.
[12:17pm] peeja: friday's is the latest?
[12:17pm] ardissone|food: peeja: there are later ones, but I was just suggesting that one to get a good body of people using it
[12:18pm] peeja: k
[12:18pm] ardissone|food: other than the big crash and the keychain stuff, i've not heard any real issues with beta
[12:19pm] ardissone|food: anyone know of other things?
[12:19pm] smorgan: OMG it still doesn't have X!!!! EOMB has X!
[12:19pm] TheJosh: it's been remarkably stable for me.
[12:19pm] ardissone|food: other than that 
[12:20pm] ardissone|food: smorgan has the keychain things under control, afaict
[12:20pm] murph: lol, yeah 1.1 nightlies have been very usable for me
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: which brings us to batwood's bug
[12:21pm] thebot joined the chat room.
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: batwood has a preliminary patch for bug 178607
[12:21pm] thebot: ardissone|food: Bug nor, --, Camino1.2,, NEW, Keychain cannot save multiple passwords for the same host
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: is it something we could take for 1.1 (code-wise), and if so, do we want to?  we're feature-frozen, in theory
[12:22pm] smorgan: No, we don't want to
[12:23pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:23pm] TheJosh: i don't think this problem would be unique to camino.  i remember having this problem even in my opera days back in the 90s 
[12:23pm] smorgan: An incomplete patch with substantial changes to the way autofill works and new UI is not a good idea for 1.1 at this point
[12:24pm] ardissone|food: next time we see batwood, we should make sure he knows that it's not going to make 1.1 just so we don't have any hard feelings
[12:24pm] smorgan: I'm pretty sure I mentioned that in an email exchange; I'll double-check later
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: k
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: ty
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: everyone, say hello to TheJosh 
[12:25pm] TheJosh: waves
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: he's going to help sam and I with documentation stuff and do some QA
[12:26pm] TheJosh: that's why i'm here...
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: notes others are more talkative on days i don't run meetings 
[12:26pm] TheJosh: I'm a long time Camino user, and I think that a lot of its appeal is due to its refinement...
[12:26pm] TheJosh: haha
[12:26pm] TheJosh: ...and I think that or many users, documentation is how they get to know the app and appreciate the features that you all have worked so hard to create and refine into something so wonderful, robust, and reliable.
[12:27pm] TheJosh: so, use me.
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: we will 
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: especially if you can get people to read 
[12:28pm] TheJosh: I'll try my best.
[12:28pm] TheJosh: My day job is getting judges and attorneys to read.
[12:28pm] ardissone|food: next up is 1.0.4
[12:28pm] ardissone|food: we released last Weds
[12:29pm] ardissone|food: everything is pretty average for that sort of release
[12:29pm] ardissone|food: no news is good news 
[12:29pm] ardissone|food: mento: do you want to talk about the tinderboxen stuff?  i assume you know more than i've gleaned from moco meeting notes
[12:31pm] ardissone|food: ok, he must be too busy throwing things
[12:31pm] ardissone|food: the deal is our tinderboxen are being turned off by April
[12:32pm] ardissone|food: we're getting cg-xserve01, and maya's builds will move there
[12:32pm] ardissone|food: apparently MoCo will ship us the old boxen
[12:32pm] ardissone|food: that's really all i know
[12:33pm] ardissone|food: except we have no trunk nightlies now due to some cvs login issue
[12:33pm] ardissone|food: nothing new on the bookmark loss front?
[12:33pm] smorgan: I need to add more logging
[12:34pm] ardissone|food: so we're still getting some data from people
[12:34pm] smorgan: Yeah, but it's all worthless still. The error makes no sense
[12:34pm] ardissone|food:  k
[12:36pm] ardissone|food: queues are pretty heavy right now, esp. sr, and pink is swamped at work until April
[12:36pm] ardissone|food: so we desperately need someone to help sr smorgan's patches so we can keep him working on 1.1 
[12:36pm] ardissone|food: mento: can you help with that? ^^^
[12:37pm] smorgan: I have a lot of really simple patches that I'll probably poke pink to look over
[12:37pm] smorgan: Or just punt to josh (or mento)
[12:37pm] ardissone|food: k, i'd like to see keychain stealing fixed soonish
[12:37pm] smorgan: Yeah, that's not just a 30-second review though
[12:38pm] ardissone|food: right
[12:38pm] ardissone|food: that's priority for "i have a block of time" review 
[12:39pm] ardissone|food: in other news, Summer of Code stuff is coming up
[12:39pm] ardissone|food: i don't know any of the deadlines
[12:39pm] ardissone|food: i assume we wnat to participate again?
[12:40pm] smorgan: we do
[12:40pm] ardissone|food: or try to
[12:40pm] ardissone|food: so we'll need mentors and projects
[12:40pm] smorgan: I don't know about deadlines, but pink is finding out about what I need to do to mentor
[12:40pm] smorgan: pink is planning on mentoring
[12:40pm] ardissone|food: and people who know stuff ™ to review the proposed projects
[12:40pm] ardissone|food:
[12:40pm] smorgan: he posted an idea on the mozilla brainstorming wiki page
[12:41pm] ardissone|food: ah
[12:41pm] ardissone|food: just "now"
[12:41pm] ardissone|food: our working list from last year (semi-updated) is here:
[12:42pm] ardissone|food: we should (at some point) come up with a few more to suggest on the  Mo page
[12:43pm] ardissone|food: so think about things, add them to our page in the meantime
[12:43pm] ardissone|food: and we'll have people who know stuff ™ vet them later
[12:44pm] ardissone|food: in case you've been living under a rock (or were not in the channel last week)
[12:44pm] ardissone|food: Sam starts at MoCo in QA next monday
[12:44pm] ardissone|food: so keep your eye out for brainwashing 
[12:46pm] ardissone|food: smorgan: do you want to talk about bundles today, or wait until we have pink and mento less distracted?
[12:47pm] smorgan: that's largely going to be a pink call, so we should wait
[12:47pm] ardissone|food: k
[12:47pm] You kicked thebot from the chat room. (no bugs today)
[12:47pm] ardissone|food: i guess that's it, unless someone has something else?
[12:49pm] ardissone|food: ok, then. have a good week, try to get to reviews, and say hi to TheJosh when you see him in the channel