Status Meetings:2007-05-16:Log

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[03:48am] You changed the topic to "".
[12:00pm] mento: yo yo yo
[12:00pm] ardissone|away: are we likely to be pink this morning, or sans-pink?
[12:00pm] You are now known as ardissone|food.
[12:01pm] mento: looks sans from my vantage point
[12:01pm] smorgan: I don't see him
[12:01pm] ardissone|food: k
[12:01pm] ardissone|food: i guess we should begin then
[12:01pm] kreeger joined the chat room.
[12:02pm] ardissone|food: everyone open your 1.5rc2 or 1.6pre to
[12:02pm] kreeger was promoted to operator by you.
[12:02pm] mento: no, we're pinkless
[12:02pm] ardissone|food:
[12:02pm] ardissone|food: first up, mento spun us some new release candy last week
[12:03pm] mento: tastes sweet
[12:03pm] ardissone|food: hopefully the last one?
[12:03pm] mento: depends on geckaux
[12:03pm] mento: they're doing an rc3 that we don't need to do
[12:03pm] mento: we'll keep monitoring
[12:03pm] ardissone|food: k
[12:04pm] ardissone|food: the website is progressing, i think
[12:04pm] ardissone|food: i'm basically done with my part, but i haven't had an update from sam about him and hicks in a while
[12:04pm] ardissone|food: l10n is
[12:04pm] ardissone|food: sorta sucky
[12:05pm] ardissone|food: we can prolly ship about 5 languages right now
[12:05pm] ardissone|food: polish, italian port-BR, swedish
[12:06pm] smorgan: I personally am not willing to wait on l10n at this point. We did a freeze well before releasing
[12:06pm] ardissone|food: i added a new column for marcello to fill in when a language is actually ready
[12:06pm] ardissone|food: i think we give a deadline of "marcello has the build to mento by x" and let them sort it out
[12:07pm] ardissone|food: sam says we need to set a ship date, and proposes next Wed
[12:07pm] mento: whoa whoa whoa
[12:07pm] mento: you want to set a ship date without having certified gecko bits?
[12:08pm] ardissone|food: not really, but i guess he expected them to be certified
[12:08pm] mento: gecko's not done until it's shipped
[12:09pm] mento: we can, however, say "we must have the l10n build by x"
[12:09pm] mento: and sit on it until gecko's certified
[12:09pm] ardissone|food: well, he's not here to argue, and i don't feel up to arguing for him
[12:09pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:09pm] mento: at the risk of marcello having to build a new l10n package out of an rc3 if gecko needs to respin for something we need to pick up
[12:10pm] mento: if he's already got all of the files, that shouldn't be too much work on his end
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: and he can add languages if they're ready
[12:10pm] mento: right
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: what date would you like?
[12:10pm] mento: let's talk to sam, since he's on the inside now
[12:10pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:11pm] mento: we can pick a likely-to-not-require-respin date
[12:11pm] ardissone|food: anything more on 1.5?
[12:12pm] mento: not from new york
[12:12pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: 1.0.5
[12:13pm] ardissone|food: everything that was sitting ready has landed
[12:13pm] smorgan: Sorry I haven't had a big enough chunk of time to push through the password stealing
[12:14pm] ardissone|food: we also need review on bug 175651 for 105, too
[12:14pm] ardissone|food: (which is also on smorgan's plate)
[12:14pm] murph: yeah, I'm also sorry I haven't really addressed smorgan's last comment on that one yet, but...
[12:14pm] murph: jumping back and forth between a parallel Cocoa/Carbon list should be possible for all but the international family names.
[12:15pm] ardissone|food: which are the problem fonts here
[12:15pm] murph: right, so even though I'd love to avoid a UI change, it might be the only option
[12:16pm] murph: i haven't given up that idea though, and will try to experiment a bit more first
[12:16pm] smorgan: So there's no way to get a Cocoa list at the same time when enumerating?
[12:16pm] mento: ui change = nib change?
[12:16pm] murph: mento: no nib change here, the menu is populated differently in code
[12:16pm] mento: that could be in scope then
[12:17pm] murph: the downfall is that the list isn't as friendly or familiar when using Carbon font names
[12:18pm] murph: smorgan: Carbon hands back 100+ more family names than Cocoa, so there's no easy 1:1 comparison on first glance
[12:18pm] smorgan: Heh, nice
[12:18pm] smorgan: okay then
[12:19pm] ardissone|food: anything else on that bug now?
[12:20pm] murph: nothing here, I'll comment any further progress on the report
[12:20pm] ardissone|food: or on 105 in general?
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: ok, 1.6
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: MOZILLA_1_8_BRANCH is open for 1.6 checkins
[12:21pm] ardissone|food: some small stuff has landed
[12:22pm] mento: the CAMINO_1_5_BRANCH is also open, in case that wasn't clear
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: we had some patches waiting for "post-1.1" and need to double-check they all landed
[12:22pm] mento: post-1.5 chickens ok
[12:22pm] mento: as in 1.5.x
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: right
[12:22pm] ardissone|food: which so far will be that CJK bug
[12:23pm] ardissone|food: froodian landed tab scrolling this weekend
[12:23pm] ardissone|food: (on 1_8)
[12:23pm] ardissone|food: so when we get out of the 1.5 purgatory, we should start seeing some feedback on it
[12:24pm] ardissone|food:
[12:24pm] ardissone|food: is our planning document
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: if anyone has a p1/p2 that they think we need to consider, speak now (soon)
[12:25pm] kreeger: software update?
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: smorgan's doing it
[12:25pm] ardissone|food: see under "Developers"
[12:25pm] kreeger: how about file-save as rewrite
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: if i've mis-classified you, please fix/holler
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: are you going to have time for it?
[12:26pm] kreeger: i'm re-writing it as we speak for Correo
[12:26pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:26pm] cl joined the chat room.
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: by this you mean all the crappy sniffing, right?
[12:27pm] kreeger: I'm sorry, i've been busy, but whats the timeframe for 1.6?
[12:27pm] kreeger: yes
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: when the P1s are done
[12:27pm] ardissone|food: but fall, generally
[12:27pm] kreeger: k
[12:27pm] kreeger: yeah i don't see that being a problem
[12:28pm] ardissone|food: cl:
[12:28pm] cl was promoted to operator by you.
[12:28pm] cl: ty
[12:28pm] kreeger: updates the wiki
[12:28pm] cl: i semi-forgot to dial in half an hour ago 
[12:29pm] kreeger: i'm not _really_ busy with school anymore..
[12:29pm] ardissone|food: we need to finalize this soon, but we need pink, or at least running it by pink
[12:30pm] ardissone|food: smorgan's been re-triaging to --- a few bugs a day
[12:30pm] ardissone|food: ss and I will probably do a mass retriage once the plan is done and 1.5 is done
[12:31pm] ardissone|food: anything else on 1.6?
[12:31pm] cl: I'm gonna try to get stuff currently assigned to me into some sort of usable position
[12:31pm] cl: with the exception of the downloads stuff and the bookmarks autocomplete, I *think* I can probably get everything else done.
[12:32pm] ardissone|food: k
[12:32pm] cl: I'll re-triage my stuff when I get a chance.
[12:32pm] cl: and bookmarks autocomplete is something I still feel like I owe Hicks
[12:32pm] cl: even if it takes another year.
[12:33pm] murph: speaking of 1.6, i've been working with a cool idea for my "search engine editor" bug…
[12:33pm] murph: which is installing a click listener and using something like the NSColorPanel magnifying glass to add a new search by clicking on a form input field
[12:34pm] smorgan: Lets not digress into dicsussion of possible 1.6 feature implemention details
[12:35pm] ardissone|food: i would like to see us "fix" search engine for 1.6, personally, since it's one of the few high-profile places where we still require users to work in our guts 
[12:36pm] cl: yeah, I agree.
[12:36pm] cl: that's probably one of our top-five most-requested features in feedback since 1.0 shipped
[12:36pm] ardissone|food: cbo/support/docs/search is just frightening
[12:36pm] cl: haha, no kidding.
[12:37pm] ardissone|food: so, can we make that your priority, murph?
[12:37pm] cl: i may have missed this, but where are we on the CJK bug?
[12:37pm] ardissone|food: murph and smorgan are talking
[12:37pm] murph: ardissone|food: definitely.
[12:37pm] ardissone|food: ok
[12:38pm] ardissone|food: anything else on 1.6?
[12:38pm] cl: excellent
[12:38pm] ardissone|food: ok, then, SoC
[12:38pm] ardissone|food: everyone wave at jeff again 
[12:39pm] ardissone|food: SoC begins May 28
[12:39pm] ardissone|food: We're having a scoping meeting for Tabsposé NEXT TUES
[12:39pm] ardissone|food: 22 May, same bad time, same bad place
[12:39pm] cl: haha
[12:40pm] ardissone|food: bring your lunches and your brains
[12:41pm] ardissone|food: we have cb-xserve01 building all 4 branches right now, as tinderbuilds
[12:42pm] ardissone|food: i think we're waiting on MoCo to figure out Talkback before we move nightlies to it
[12:42pm] ardissone|food: mento: is that correct?
[12:44pm] ardissone|food: ok, anyone have anything else today?
[12:46pm] ardissone|food: action items:
[12:46pm] ardissone|food: l10n build deadline
[12:46pm] ardissone|food: old bugs needing 1.6 checkins
[12:46pm] ardissone|food: 1.0.5 bugs
[12:46pm] ardissone|food: corrections to developer status on 1.6 development plan
[12:46pm] ardissone|food: fixing 1.6 bugs
[12:47pm] ardissone|food: see you next TUES for the Tabsposé meeting